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==Skills/Ranks==
===Rationale===
The GMs feel that too many skills are difficult to develop by themselves due to their specificity and wish to combine them. Other skills, such as Mechanical Lore and Primary Magic, do too much and are unfair when compared to other skills.


=Overview=
For example, it is difficult and time-consuming to try to place both climbing and swimming opportunities at all levels in all zones, and having to only do one or the other would free up development time. In addition, the proposed Athletics skill '''might''' also be applied to things such as jumping, riding, or other athletic activities that the uncombined skills do not cover.
;The information below details changes that may help returning players from 2013 and prior adjust and understand the current experience system. Please see [[:Category:Skills|Skills]] for current information.


'''[[DragonRealms 3.0|DR3]]''' rolled in a significant overhaul to '''[[skills]]'''. In previous iterations of DR, a number of skills were over-generalized, where one skill covered an unwieldy number of discrete systems (eg. [[Mechanical Lore skill|Mechanical Lore]]). On the flip side, there were several skills that were very niche (eg. [[Animal Lore skill|Animal Lore]], [[Vocals skill|Vocals]]), meaning they had few uses, and were largely trained only to generate [[TDP]]'s.
===General Principles===
*Combined skills will be set to the highest of the included skills. The remaining skill(s) will be dissolved into the bonus pool for the relevant skillset. [[Stealth skill|Stealth]] is an exception to this. (See [[#Exceptions to the General Mechanism for Merging Skills|below]].)
*Bonus pools will boost learning for the entire skillset at approximately double rate (that is, if 200 bits are taken from field experience, 400 bits are absorbed into the skill), until the pool is empty.


==Mech Split==
===Exceptions to the General Mechanism for Merging Skills===
The largest skill change will occur with [[Mechanical Lore skill|Mechanical Lore]]. Mech will be replaced entirely with five new {{Skillset|Lore}} skills, known collectively as the [[crafting]] skills. This will be a gradual rollout however as the number of new creation systems involved is quite large. Mech Lore will retain its functionality in a particular area until the relevant skill or system that replaces it is released.


The new skills, and the creation systems they each will control, are as follows. '''Bold''' indicates that the craft is live in game; ''italics'' indicates that the craft has not yet been released:
"You may notice that the skills we are reconsidering for merging transcend the notion of "they're too easy" and are instead skills that specifically can be trained to high mindstates and high ranks either with no cost or a time cost measured in seconds with your fingers." --GM [[Armifer]]
*'''{{skill|Forging}}''' - '''[[Blacksmithing]]''', '''[[Weaponsmithing]]''', and '''[[Armorsmithing]]'''.
*'''{{skill|Engineering}}''' - '''[[Carving]]''', '''[[Shaping]]''', and '''[[Tinkering]]'''.
*'''{{skill|Outfitting}}''' - ''[[Artistry]]'', ''[[Jewelry Making]]'', and '''[[Tailoring]]'''.
*'''{{skill|Enchanting}}''' - ''[[Binding]]'', ''[[Invoking]]'', and '''[[Artificing]]'''.
*'''{{skill|Alchemy}}''' - ''[[Cooking]]'', ''[[Poisons]]'', and '''[[Remedies]]'''.


You will be able to allocate your Mech ranks into the new skills using the {{com|convert}} command. You can only move experience into each crafting skill once. However, {{tt|CONVERT}} allows you to preview each split before making it permanent.
*[[Stealth skill|Stealth]] (hiding + stalking) will be capped at 130% of your ranks in [[Hiding skill|hiding]].
:''Rationale'': This was changed in response to widespread bug abuse that allowed players to lock stalking within seconds by spamming {{tt|advance}}/{{tt|face next}} while hiding. A secondary concern was that {{com|HUNT}} allows players to train [[Stalking skill|stalking]] without hiding or doing anything stealthy. As a result of these two issues, there are characters whose stalking grossly exceeds their hiding; they would suddenly find themselves much more effective at stealth even though they didn't "work" for it.
*[[Performing skill|Performing]]: [[Vocals skill|Vocals]] will not count toward Performing unless you're a Bard. Instead these ranks will go into the lore bonus pool.
For Bards, Performing will be capped at 130% of their highest non-vocal instrument.
:''Rationale'': Most characters currently have "excessive" ranks in vocals due to continuous humming, which can be done during most activities with no roundtime. If players are allowed to keep these ranks, performing-based activities will have to have higher skill requirements to compensate.
::"The reasoning behind bards getting vocals included in performance in this way is that ''some'' bards have trained Vocals using methods outside of HUM. Virtually zero other characters have trained vocals by singing rather than humming. Additionally, the reason for NOT including vocals is so that Performing isn't a horribly bloated skill for everybody that trained using HUM. If we included it for everybody, Performing would be the top lore for nearly everybody, and it would be at an insane number of ranks per circle compared to any other skill in that skillset. Bards are an exception to this because their performing must be high (since it's a circle requirement) and they have to train so many instruments." -- GM Socharis


As of September 2013, only Forging, Engineering, Outfitting, and Alchemy are enabled, so consider carefully whether you want to hold back any Mech ranks for Enchanting before finalizing your split.
===List of 3.0 Skills===


==Changes to Commands==
Below is a complete list of skills.
==={{com|experience}}===
'''{{tt|EXP}}''' has gained a few new options.


*{{tt|experience skill}} will now list the shorthands for all skills. Shorthands for discontinued or merged skills (eg. Foraging, Teaching, Medium Edged) will output the new skill (eg. Athletics, Scholarship, Small Edged).
*Unless otherwise noted, combined skills use the normal merger formula. (See [[#General Principles|above]].)
*If nothing is listed in the "Old Skills" column, it means that the new skill and old skill will have the same name.
*You will be grandfathered to your current circle no matter what. Whether grandfathered ranks are deducted from your bonus pools depends on the skill:
:*For existing, combined, and split skills, grandfathered ranks will be deducted from the bonus pool for that skillset. (If you don't have enough bits in the bonus pool, you will still be grandfathered.)
:*For '''''new guild-only skills''''', you will be grandfathered to your current circle. (These ranks are not deducted from your bonus pools.)
:*For '''other new skills''', your ranks will be derived from other skills. (These ranks are not deducted from your bonus pools.)


*'''{{tt|experience bonus}}''' will display the state of your bonus pools. '''{{tt|EXP BONUS TOGGLE}} ''<skillset>'''' will turn the bonus pool drain for that skillset on and off. A timer may be added, eventually.
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'''Armor Skillset'''


*'''{{tt|experience switch}}''' can be used for a limited time to swap the experience levels for the four new Magic skills, [[Augmentation skill|Augmentation]], [[Debilitation skill|Debilitation]], [[Warding skill|Warding]], and [[Utility skill|Utility]]. This command will work for the first week after DR3's release, or the first 24 in-game hours after your character first logs in and is converted to DR3, whichever is later.
{|class="wikitable"
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!Skill!!Old Skills!!Formula
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|[[Brigandine skill|Brigandine]]||Light Plate||
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|[[Chain Armor skill|Chain Armor]]||Light Chain, Heavy Chain||
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|'''[[Defending skill|Defending]]'''||new skill||''derived'': average of the top two of Shield, Parry, Evasion, and Multi Opponent
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|'''''[[Endurance skill|Endurance]]'''''||new Paladin-only skill||grandfathered to current circle
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|[[Light Armor skill|Light Armor]]||Leather Armor, Cloth Armor, Bone Armor||
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|[[Plate Armor skill|Plate Armor]]||Heavy Plate||
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|[[Shield Usage skill|Shield Usage]]||||
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'''Weapon Skillset'''


==={{com|Discern}}===
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This is a new command released with DR3. See {{com|Discern}} for details.
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!Skill!!Old Skills!!Formula
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|[[Bows skill|Bows]]||Short Bow, Long Bow, Composite Bow||
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|[[Brawling skill|Brawling]]||||
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|[[Crossbows skill|Crossbows]]||Light Crossbow, Heavy Crossbow||
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|'''''[[Expertise skill|Expertise]]'''''||new Barbarian-only skill||grandfathered to current circle
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|[[Heavy Thrown skill|Heavy Thrown]]||||
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|[[Large Blunt skill|Large Blunt]]||Heavy Blunt||
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|[[Large Edged skill|Large Edged]]||Heavy Edged||
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|[[Light Thrown skill|Light Thrown]]||||
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|'''[[Melee Mastery skill|Melee Mastery]]'''||new skill||''derived'': average of top two melee weapons
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|'''[[Missile Mastery skill|Missile Mastery]]'''||new skill||''derived'': average of top two ranged weapons
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|[[Offhand Weapon skill|Offhand Weapon]]||||
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|[[Parry Ability skill|Parry Ability]]||||
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|[[Polearms skill|Polearms]]||Pikes, Halberds||
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|[[Slings skill|Slings]]||Slings, Staff Sling||
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|[[Small Blunt skill|Small Blunt]]||Light Blunt, Medium Blunt||
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|[[Small Edged skill|Small Edged]]||Light Edged, Medium Edged||
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|[[Staves skill|Staves]]||Short Staff, Quarter Staff||
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|[[Twohanded Blunt skill|Twohanded Blunt]]||||
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|[[Twohanded Edged skill|Twohanded Edged]]||||
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'''Magic Skillset'''


==={{com|Focus}} and {{com|Invoke}}===
{|class="wikitable"
The way these commands work with cambrinth has changed significantly. In brief, {{tt|Focus}} now provides information only, and {{tt|INVOKE}} is used to activate the cambrinth and ready the mana within it for use.
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!Skill!!Old Skills!!Formula
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|[[Arcana skill|Arcana]]||||
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|''[[Astrology skill|Astrology]]''||moved from Lore to Magic||
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|[[Attunement skill|Attunement]]||Harness Ability, Power Perceive||
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|'''[[Augmentation skill|Augmentation]]'''||new skill||''derived'': 90%, 80%, 75%, or 70% of Primary Magic<br>(depends on guild)
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|'''[[Debilitation skill|Debilitation]]'''||new skill||''derived'': 90%, 80%, 75%, or 70% of Primary Magic<br>(depends on guild)
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|'''[[Inner Fire skill|Inner Fire]]'''||new skill||grandfathered to current circle
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|[[Primary Magic skill|Primary Magic]]||||
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|'''[[Sorcery skill|Sorcery]]'''||new skill||N/A (must be trained from 0)
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|'''''[[Summoning skill|Summoning]]'''''||new Warrior Mage-only skill||grandfathered to current circle
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|[[Targeted Magic skill|Targeted Magic]]||||
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|'''''[[Theurgy skill|Theurgy]]'''''||new Cleric-only skill||grandfathered to current circle
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|'''[[Utility skill|Utility]]'''||new skill||''derived'': 90%, 80%, 75%, or 70% of Primary Magic<br>(depends on guild)
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|'''[[Warding skill|Warding]]'''||new skill||''derived'': 90%, 80%, 75%, or 70% of Primary Magic<br>(depends on guild)
|}


==Changes to TDPs==
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*Unlike previously announced, the way TDPs are earned did not change. However, all TDPs spent on spell slots or learning scrolls will be refunded, as other mechanics are being implemented for those systems and they will no longer work off spell slots. See [[Magic 3.0]] for details.
'''Survival Skillset'''


*Because many skills have been combined or eliminated, some characters may have a net gain of TDPs after conversion to DR3, while others might have a negative TDP balance. See [[#FAQ|FAQ]] section below.
{|class="wikitable"
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!Skill!!Old Skills!!Formula
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|[[Athletics skill|Athletics]]||Climbing, Swimming||
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|''[[Backstab skill|Backstab]]''||||
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|[[Evasion skill|Evasion]]||||
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|[[First Aid skill|First Aid]]||||
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|[[Locksmithing skill|Locksmithing]]||Lockpicking, Disarm Traps||
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|[[Outdoorsmanship skill|Outdoorsmanship]]||Foraging, Animal Lore||
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|[[Perception skill|Perception]]||||
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|''[[Scouting skill|Scouting]]''||||
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|[[Skinning skill|Skinning]]||||
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|[[Stealth skill|Stealth]]||Hiding, Stalking||cannot exceed 130% of Hiding
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|''[[Thanatology skill|Thanatology]]''||||
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|[[Thievery skill|Thievery]]||Stealing||
|}
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'''Lore Skillset'''


*[[Stats]] are now supported over a wider range than previously, so all players will receive the option to reset their stats twice in the first six months post release to allow rebalancing if desired. This can be done by using the {{com|RESPEC}} command.
{|class="wikitable"
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!Skill!!Old Skills!!Formula
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|[[Alchemy skill|Alchemy]]||Mechanical Lore*||allocated by player
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|[[Appraisal skill|Appraisal]]||||
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|'''''[[Bardic Lore skill|Bardic Lore]]'''''||Musical Theory||
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|''[[Empathy skill|Empathy]]''||||
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|[[Enchanting skill|Enchanting]]||Mechanical Lore*||allocated by player
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|[[Engineering skill|Engineering]]||Mechanical Lore*||allocated by player
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|[[Forging skill|Forging]]||Mechanical Lore*||allocated by player
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|[[Outfitting skill|Outfitting]]||Mechanical Lore*||allocated by player
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|[[Performing skill|Performing]]||'''Bards''': Percussions, Strings, Vocals, Winds<br>'''everyone else''': Percussions, Strings, Winds||cannot exceed 130% of top non-vocal instrument (Bards)
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|[[Scholarship skill|Scholarship]]||Scholarship, Teaching||
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|'''[[Tactics skill|Tactics]]'''||new skill||''derived'': weighted average of two parts Scholarship,<br>one part Brawling, one part Multi Opponent
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|''[[Trading skill|Trading]]''||||
|}


==Changes to Skills==
<nowiki>*</nowiki>The player will be forced to allocate his existing Mechanical Lore ranks to one or more crafting skills. Any circle-based grandfathering of Mechanical Lore will occur ''before'' the mech split.
===New Skills===
*'''Forging, Engineering, Outfitting, Enchanting, and Alchemy''': See the section on the Mech Split above.
*'''{{skill|Defending}}''': Defending indicates your overall ability to defend against attacks, and is in the Armor skillset. It replaces Multiple Opponent's functionality as the skill used when being engaged with multiple foes, and also increases your defensive skills so that they're more effective overall. Defending is best trained by being in combat and successfully defending against an attack.


*'''{{skill|Melee Mastery}} and {{Skill|Missile Mastery}}''': The Mastery skills indicate your overall ability with that class of weapon, and are in the Weapon skillset. Having a high Mastery skill gives you a bonus when using that kind of weapon - This is especially helpful during backtraining. The best way to train the Mastery skills is to train multiple weapons of that type. You can mind lock a Mastery skill using just one weapon, but you're better off training multiple weapons. For clarity thrown weapons count as ranged weapons.
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*'''{{skill|Augmentation}}''': Augmentation is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to successfully augment yourself magically/supernaturally. It is the primary skill taken into account when casting spells that buff yourself or others. See the [[Magic 3.0]] page for details on how to best train Augmentation.
===Skills That Are Going Away===


*'''{{skill|Debilitation}}:''' Debilitation is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to successfully penalize others without causing direct damage. It is the primary skill taken into account when casting spells that debuff others. See the Magic page for details on how to best train Debilitation.
Three skills won't exist in Skills 3.0.


*'''{{skill|Utility}}''': Utility is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to perform miscellaneous magical tasks that don't fit neatly into the other four spell skills. See the Magic page for details on how to best train Utility.
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!Skill!!Use
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|[[Multi Opponent skill|Multi Opponent]]||factored into Defending and Tactics
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|[[Escaping skill|Escaping]]||dissolved into Survival bonus pool
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|[[Vocals skill|Vocals]]||dissolved into Lore bonus pool for everyone but Bards
|}


*'''{{skill|Warding}}''': Warding is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to successfully use barrier spells and abilities. It is the primary skill taken into account when casting spells like Ethereal Shield, Manifest Force, etc. See the Magic page for details on how to best train Warding.
==Circle Requirements==
Circle requirements have been redone for every guild. Here are some basic principles (quoted from [[Post:New Skill Reqs - Basic Info For Everyone - 03/15/2012 - 19:56|New Skill Reqs - Basic Info For Everyone]]):
*'''You will be grandfathered to your current circle no matter what.''' The only changes you'll see are in relation to how hard it will be to circle to the next circle, NOT how hard it will be to have the right skills at your current circle. Everybody will have the same difficulty there. It will be zero.
*There are three kinds of requirements that you'll have. Nth requirements, Hard requirements, and Soft requirements.
:*An '''Nth requirement''' is something along the lines of 1st Weapon, 3rd Magic, etc. It's the Nth highest skill in that skillset that is not excluded.
:*A '''Hard requirement''' is a specific skill required to be trained per-circle. These skills are NOT allowed to be included in Nth requirements. For instance, if you have a Hard Scholarship req, Scholarship cannot count for one of your Nth lores.
:*A '''Soft requirement''' is a specific skill required to be trained per-circle. These skills ARE allowed to be included in Nth requirements. For instance, if you have a soft TM requirement, that can count for your 2nd Magic skill, etc.
*With the condensation of several skillsets (primarily Weapons and Survival), many Nth requirements require fewer overall skills. However, the remaining skills have largely had their ranks increased.
*There are some skills that are ''never'' allowed as Nth Requirements. This is because the skills are not really in the same spirit as the Nth requirements. These skills are:
:*Defending
:*Melee Mastery
:*Missile Mastery
:*Offhand Weapon
:*Parry Ability
:*Primary Magic
*Total X requirements are going away. They're a little bit too fluid for any kind of structured advancement. For instance, you could hit 149th without ever training Appraisal, and then use your first 30 baby ranks of Appraisal to fill your requirement for 150th. It's really hard to construct a fiction around that where the guildleaders think "Hey, based on what he did, he's totally ready for 150th".
*Many guilds had requirements that lasted for one or two circle ranges. For instance, WMs required 1 rank of shield for the first 10 circles, and then did not require more. These requirements have been deemed nonsense and removed or made more aggressive.
*Existing skills and their combined relatives that are increased to meet guild minimums will subtract from the relevant bonus pools, but will reach necessary levels even if the bonus pool is insufficient.
*On July 18, 2012, the '''circle cap was increased from 150 to 200'''. These last 50 circles are primarily for bragging rights, as they do not grant TDPs or new ability slots. In general, the rank requirements are 2.5 times those of the 100-150 range. For details, see [[Post:Increasing the Level Cap - 04/01/2012 - 12:19|Increasing the Level Cap]]. (This is not an [[April Fools' Day]] joke!)


*'''{{skill|Sorcery}}''': Sorcery is another new magic skill, but it behaves very differently than the other four new skills. Your Sorcery skill indicates your ability to use mana types that you're unfamiliar with. This is used instead of your Primary Magic skill to determine if you're able to cast a spell that uses a different mana type. Training this skill is NOT, in and of itself, illegal. However, some spells are still illegal to use in any town, and if you use them you can be charged with Forbidden Practices. The best way to train Sorcery is simply to cast spells from other mana types that you find on scrolls.
For your guild's circle requirements, see [[Post:New Circle Reqs Have Been Posted - 03/16/2012 - 03:03]].


*'''{{skill|Tactics}}''': Tactics is a new skill in the Lore skillset. It has two current main uses: Applying multiple-opponent penalties to a target (useful for ganging up on people), and using non-damaging brawling moves. The best way to train it is to use tactical maneuvers like WEAVE and BOB against creatures.
==TDPs and Stats==
'''Please read the entire section.'''<br>


===General Method for Combining Skills===
==TDPs==
When two skills are combined, the new skill will be set to the higher of the two skills and the "lost" experience will be placed in an Overflow Pool. Each skillset has a separate pool, and so long as any is left in the pool, all skills learned in that skillset will receive a bonus to the drained bits. This bonus can be combined with RPA and other experience bonuses, though they are additive.


====Exceptions====
'''The December 2010 proposal of having enhanced and reduced TDP generation for "main skills" and "alternate skills," respectively, has been scrapped as of October 2, 2012.'''
There are two exceptions to the previous rule.


* If Stalking is higher than Hiding, the Stealth skill will only be raised to a maximum of 30% over the Hiding skill.
<blockquote>"What I found was, the wider the disparity between the 'main' and 'alternate' skills in the TDP equation, the worse off and better off some people were - The extremes were more extreme. Looking at the curves, I saw a sharper increase and decrease, which meant that more people were getting significant shakeups. Additionally, wide wide differences between the two, MORE people were suffering, with a smaller number gaining a HUGE number of TDPs. There were a few people losing an extreme amount, but more people were losing TDPs with wide splits. As I brought them closer together, I saw that the curves were less dramatic, and the differences were less extreme." --GM Socharis</blockquote>
* Only Bards will have Vocals count toward the Performance skill and will only receive up to 30% above their highest instrument skill. All others will have it completely moved to the bonus pool.


====List of Combined and Renamed Skills====
It is possible that all skills will continue to generate TDPs at the current rate of 200 ranks / TDP, but the GMs are still doing the math to see what will be best for the game as a whole.<br>
<br>
*TDPs are only spent by training stats and are only earned by gaining ranks and circling. There are no more for-TDP spell slots, etc. (TDPs spent memorizing spell scrolls will be refunded.)
*You will have the option of doing a stat respec to reset your stats to your racial default (what you would have if you rolled a new character) and then re-training your stats using your recalculated pool of TDPs. You can choose not to do the respec, which may be desirable if you have fewer TDPs under the new system. In that case, you will have a negative TDP count.
*You will '''not''' be able to change your race, even if you chose your race for purely mechanical reasons that are no longer valid in DragonRealms 3.0.
<blockquote>"This is a roleplaying game, and I'm only going to go so far to let people optimize after changes. There are some choices that are permanent and won't be changing - What guild you are, what race you are, etc." --GM Socharis</blockquote>


*'''Light Armor''': Leather armor, Bone armor, and Cloth armor have been combined into the Light Armor skill. This skill determines your ability with all of these kinds of armor.
===Stats===


*'''Chain Armor''': Heavy Chain and Light Chain have been combined into Chain Armor.
*[[Attributes|Stats]] will no longer be capped at 99. The new cap will be 200.
*Stat points of 100-200 will be available to train, and they'll cost five times as many TDPS as the 1-99 points. (This formula may be changed to be less heavily dependent on race, but stats over 99 will remain very expensive to train.) Additionally, stats over 99 will cost at least 15 times as much money to train.
*You'll get roughly the same benefit from going from 99 to 100 as you would from 98 to 99.


*'''Brigandine Armor''': Light Plate armor is now known as Brigandine Armor, and includes armors formed of sewn plates and also what is commonly known as 'banded mail'. This allows for further expansion of this niche.
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*'''Plate Armor''': Heavy Plate Armor has been renamed to be simply Plate Armor

*'''Small Edged''': Light Edged and Medium Edged have been combined into the Small Edged skill.

*'''Small Blunt''': Light Blunt and Medium Blunt have been combined into the Small Blunt skill.

*'''Slings''': Slings and Staff Slings have been combined under the Slings skill now.

*'''Bows''': Longbow, Short Bow, and Composite Bows all use the Bows skill now.

*'''Crossbows''': Light and Heavy Crossbows will all use the Crossbows skill now.

*'''Staves''': Short Staff and Quarterstaff weapons will now use the Staves skill.

*'''Polearms''': Halberds and Pikes will now use the Polearms skill. This opens up the opportunity for exotic polearms as well.

*'''Attunement''': Harness and Power Perception have been combined into the Attunement skill. See the Magic page for more details.

*'''Athletics''': Climbing, Swimming, and (contrary to previous GM statements) Escaping have been combined into the Athletics skill.

*'''Stealth''': Hiding and Stalking have been combined into the Stealth skill.

*'''Locksmithing''': Lockpicking and Disarm Traps have been combined into the Locksmithing skill.

*'''Thievery''': Stealing has been renamed Thievery in order to allow for more opportunities to expand on the concepts there.

*'''Outdoorsmanship''': Outdoorsmanship combines Foraging and Animal Lore.

*'''Performing''': Performing includes all of the instrument skills - Percussions, Winds, Strings, and Vocals. However, Vocals will not count toward the new Performing skill unless you're a Bard.

=====Weapon and Armor Types=====
It should be noted that the classification of weapons and armor is not changing. There still will exist light edged and medium edged weapons, for example, though they both teach the Small Edges skill.

For most things the distinction is unimportant, but certain abilities such as Backstab still take the difference into account.

===Retired Skills===
'''Multiple Opponent''': <br />
Multiple Opponent no longer exists, because in its old incarnation it was difficult to train and harder to write fun abilities for. The skill checks that used to depend on MO will mostly now use Defending.

MO experience will not be moved into the weapons bonus pool, as both Defending and Tactics will partially derive their levels from it.

'''Escaping''': <br />
Escaping has been removed because it was too narrowly-defined to be expanded into a useful, widely trainable skill. Most of the skill checks that used to use escaping (notably, webs) will now use Athletics. Some (like escaping from the guards) will use Thievery.

===Magic Skills===
The new magic skills will be derived as a percentage of your Primary Magic. The command {{tt|SWITCH}} ''<skill1>'' ''skill2>'' can be used to swap two magic skills. It can be used up to 24 hours after being converted to 3.0, but will not function if there is field experience in either of the two skills being switched.

==Circle Requirement Terminology==
A hard requirement is a skill that has its own specific requirement and '''cannot''' be used to satisfy general skillset requirements.

A soft requirement is a skill that has its own specific requirement and '''can''' be used to satisfy general skillset requirements.

A restricted skill is one that can be trained, but cannot be used to satisfy any circling requirements.

==FAQ==
* '''Q: I've got negative TDPs, what happens?'''
: Nothing. Consider it a loan against TDPs gained in the future. You'll just have to start paying them off as you go.

: The reason TDPs might be negative is from having a significant number of ranks in skills that were merged or eliminated. On the bright side, this most likely also means that you have significant bonus pools, and as you re-absorb that experience, you will regain ranks and thus TDPs more quickly than normal.

* '''Q: I got an AFK scripting warning recently. How will that affect me?'''
: A: Due to the magnitude of these changes, warnings will not prevent you from being grandfathered. All characters will receive the full montage of upgrades and increases, regardless of their sordid past.

* '''Q: I could be circle 150 right now, but I'm not circling for RP reasons. Will my skills get grandfathered as if I was 150th circle?'''
: A: Unfortunately, no. The system can only know what level you ARE, not what level you should be. This was one of the reasons that the circle range above 150th circle was opened up - to allow people to be grandfathered appropriately. We strongly advise everyone to circle as high as they are able before 3.0 in order to get all of their skills grandfathered appropriately.

{{RefAl}}


==External Links==
==External Links==
[http://fallenbard.hostoi.com/3.0%20Conversion.xls 3.0 Conversion Spreadsheet]: Calculates your current and future ranks, TDPs, and circle based on the latest information about Skills 3.0.
* [http://www.elanthia.org/3.0%20Conversion.xls 3.0 Conversion Spreadsheet]: Calculates your current and future ranks, TDPs, and circle based on the latest information about Skills 3.0.
[http://fallenbard.hostoi.com/BonusPoolFun.xls Lore Bonus Pool Spreadsheet]: Estimates how many ranks you can gain in one or more skills until your bonus pool is depleted. (This spreadsheet requires information from the 3.0 Conversion Spreadsheet.)
* [http://fallenbard.hostoi.com/BonusPoolFun.xls Lore Bonus Pool Spreadsheet]: Estimates how many ranks you can gain in one or more skills until your bonus pool is depleted. (This spreadsheet requires information from the 3.0 Conversion Spreadsheet.)

Latest revision as of 19:29, 12 January 2022


Overview

The information below details changes that may help returning players from 2013 and prior adjust and understand the current experience system. Please see Skills for current information.

DR3 rolled in a significant overhaul to skills. In previous iterations of DR, a number of skills were over-generalized, where one skill covered an unwieldy number of discrete systems (eg. Mechanical Lore). On the flip side, there were several skills that were very niche (eg. Animal Lore, Vocals), meaning they had few uses, and were largely trained only to generate TDP's.

Mech Split

The largest skill change will occur with Mechanical Lore. Mech will be replaced entirely with five new Lore skills, known collectively as the crafting skills. This will be a gradual rollout however as the number of new creation systems involved is quite large. Mech Lore will retain its functionality in a particular area until the relevant skill or system that replaces it is released.

The new skills, and the creation systems they each will control, are as follows. Bold indicates that the craft is live in game; italics indicates that the craft has not yet been released:

You will be able to allocate your Mech ranks into the new skills using the CONVERT command. You can only move experience into each crafting skill once. However, CONVERT allows you to preview each split before making it permanent.

As of September 2013, only Forging, Engineering, Outfitting, and Alchemy are enabled, so consider carefully whether you want to hold back any Mech ranks for Enchanting before finalizing your split.

Changes to Commands

EXPERIENCE

EXP has gained a few new options.

  • EXPERIENCE SKILL will now list the shorthands for all skills. Shorthands for discontinued or merged skills (eg. Foraging, Teaching, Medium Edged) will output the new skill (eg. Athletics, Scholarship, Small Edged).
  • EXPERIENCE BONUS will display the state of your bonus pools. EXP BONUS TOGGLE <skillset>' will turn the bonus pool drain for that skillset on and off. A timer may be added, eventually.
  • EXPERIENCE SWITCH can be used for a limited time to swap the experience levels for the four new Magic skills, Augmentation, Debilitation, Warding, and Utility. This command will work for the first week after DR3's release, or the first 24 in-game hours after your character first logs in and is converted to DR3, whichever is later.

DISCERN

This is a new command released with DR3. See DISCERN for details.

FOCUS and INVOKE

The way these commands work with cambrinth has changed significantly. In brief, FOCUS now provides information only, and INVOKE is used to activate the cambrinth and ready the mana within it for use.

Changes to TDPs

  • Unlike previously announced, the way TDPs are earned did not change. However, all TDPs spent on spell slots or learning scrolls will be refunded, as other mechanics are being implemented for those systems and they will no longer work off spell slots. See Magic 3.0 for details.
  • Because many skills have been combined or eliminated, some characters may have a net gain of TDPs after conversion to DR3, while others might have a negative TDP balance. See FAQ section below.
  • Stats are now supported over a wider range than previously, so all players will receive the option to reset their stats twice in the first six months post release to allow rebalancing if desired. This can be done by using the RESPEC command.

Changes to Skills

New Skills

  • Forging, Engineering, Outfitting, Enchanting, and Alchemy: See the section on the Mech Split above.
  • Defending skill: Defending indicates your overall ability to defend against attacks, and is in the Armor skillset. It replaces Multiple Opponent's functionality as the skill used when being engaged with multiple foes, and also increases your defensive skills so that they're more effective overall. Defending is best trained by being in combat and successfully defending against an attack.
  • Melee Mastery skill and Missile Mastery skill: The Mastery skills indicate your overall ability with that class of weapon, and are in the Weapon skillset. Having a high Mastery skill gives you a bonus when using that kind of weapon - This is especially helpful during backtraining. The best way to train the Mastery skills is to train multiple weapons of that type. You can mind lock a Mastery skill using just one weapon, but you're better off training multiple weapons. For clarity thrown weapons count as ranged weapons.
  • Augmentation skill: Augmentation is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to successfully augment yourself magically/supernaturally. It is the primary skill taken into account when casting spells that buff yourself or others. See the Magic 3.0 page for details on how to best train Augmentation.
  • Debilitation skill: Debilitation is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to successfully penalize others without causing direct damage. It is the primary skill taken into account when casting spells that debuff others. See the Magic page for details on how to best train Debilitation.
  • Utility skill: Utility is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to perform miscellaneous magical tasks that don't fit neatly into the other four spell skills. See the Magic page for details on how to best train Utility.
  • Warding skill: Warding is one of the new magic skills, which gauges your ability to successfully use barrier spells and abilities. It is the primary skill taken into account when casting spells like Ethereal Shield, Manifest Force, etc. See the Magic page for details on how to best train Warding.
  • Sorcery skill: Sorcery is another new magic skill, but it behaves very differently than the other four new skills. Your Sorcery skill indicates your ability to use mana types that you're unfamiliar with. This is used instead of your Primary Magic skill to determine if you're able to cast a spell that uses a different mana type. Training this skill is NOT, in and of itself, illegal. However, some spells are still illegal to use in any town, and if you use them you can be charged with Forbidden Practices. The best way to train Sorcery is simply to cast spells from other mana types that you find on scrolls.
  • Tactics skill: Tactics is a new skill in the Lore skillset. It has two current main uses: Applying multiple-opponent penalties to a target (useful for ganging up on people), and using non-damaging brawling moves. The best way to train it is to use tactical maneuvers like WEAVE and BOB against creatures.

General Method for Combining Skills

When two skills are combined, the new skill will be set to the higher of the two skills and the "lost" experience will be placed in an Overflow Pool. Each skillset has a separate pool, and so long as any is left in the pool, all skills learned in that skillset will receive a bonus to the drained bits. This bonus can be combined with RPA and other experience bonuses, though they are additive.

Exceptions

There are two exceptions to the previous rule.

  • If Stalking is higher than Hiding, the Stealth skill will only be raised to a maximum of 30% over the Hiding skill.
  • Only Bards will have Vocals count toward the Performance skill and will only receive up to 30% above their highest instrument skill. All others will have it completely moved to the bonus pool.

List of Combined and Renamed Skills

  • Light Armor: Leather armor, Bone armor, and Cloth armor have been combined into the Light Armor skill. This skill determines your ability with all of these kinds of armor.
  • Chain Armor: Heavy Chain and Light Chain have been combined into Chain Armor.
  • Brigandine Armor: Light Plate armor is now known as Brigandine Armor, and includes armors formed of sewn plates and also what is commonly known as 'banded mail'. This allows for further expansion of this niche.
  • Plate Armor: Heavy Plate Armor has been renamed to be simply Plate Armor
  • Small Edged: Light Edged and Medium Edged have been combined into the Small Edged skill.
  • Small Blunt: Light Blunt and Medium Blunt have been combined into the Small Blunt skill.
  • Slings: Slings and Staff Slings have been combined under the Slings skill now.
  • Bows: Longbow, Short Bow, and Composite Bows all use the Bows skill now.
  • Crossbows: Light and Heavy Crossbows will all use the Crossbows skill now.
  • Staves: Short Staff and Quarterstaff weapons will now use the Staves skill.
  • Polearms: Halberds and Pikes will now use the Polearms skill. This opens up the opportunity for exotic polearms as well.
  • Attunement: Harness and Power Perception have been combined into the Attunement skill. See the Magic page for more details.
  • Athletics: Climbing, Swimming, and (contrary to previous GM statements) Escaping have been combined into the Athletics skill.
  • Stealth: Hiding and Stalking have been combined into the Stealth skill.
  • Locksmithing: Lockpicking and Disarm Traps have been combined into the Locksmithing skill.
  • Thievery: Stealing has been renamed Thievery in order to allow for more opportunities to expand on the concepts there.
  • Outdoorsmanship: Outdoorsmanship combines Foraging and Animal Lore.
  • Performing: Performing includes all of the instrument skills - Percussions, Winds, Strings, and Vocals. However, Vocals will not count toward the new Performing skill unless you're a Bard.
Weapon and Armor Types

It should be noted that the classification of weapons and armor is not changing. There still will exist light edged and medium edged weapons, for example, though they both teach the Small Edges skill.

For most things the distinction is unimportant, but certain abilities such as Backstab still take the difference into account.

Retired Skills

Multiple Opponent:
Multiple Opponent no longer exists, because in its old incarnation it was difficult to train and harder to write fun abilities for. The skill checks that used to depend on MO will mostly now use Defending.

MO experience will not be moved into the weapons bonus pool, as both Defending and Tactics will partially derive their levels from it.

Escaping:
Escaping has been removed because it was too narrowly-defined to be expanded into a useful, widely trainable skill. Most of the skill checks that used to use escaping (notably, webs) will now use Athletics. Some (like escaping from the guards) will use Thievery.

Magic Skills

The new magic skills will be derived as a percentage of your Primary Magic. The command SWITCH <skill1> skill2> can be used to swap two magic skills. It can be used up to 24 hours after being converted to 3.0, but will not function if there is field experience in either of the two skills being switched.

Circle Requirement Terminology

A hard requirement is a skill that has its own specific requirement and cannot be used to satisfy general skillset requirements.

A soft requirement is a skill that has its own specific requirement and can be used to satisfy general skillset requirements.

A restricted skill is one that can be trained, but cannot be used to satisfy any circling requirements.

FAQ

  • Q: I've got negative TDPs, what happens?
Nothing. Consider it a loan against TDPs gained in the future. You'll just have to start paying them off as you go.
The reason TDPs might be negative is from having a significant number of ranks in skills that were merged or eliminated. On the bright side, this most likely also means that you have significant bonus pools, and as you re-absorb that experience, you will regain ranks and thus TDPs more quickly than normal.
  • Q: I got an AFK scripting warning recently. How will that affect me?
A: Due to the magnitude of these changes, warnings will not prevent you from being grandfathered. All characters will receive the full montage of upgrades and increases, regardless of their sordid past.
  • Q: I could be circle 150 right now, but I'm not circling for RP reasons. Will my skills get grandfathered as if I was 150th circle?
A: Unfortunately, no. The system can only know what level you ARE, not what level you should be. This was one of the reasons that the circle range above 150th circle was opened up - to allow people to be grandfathered appropriately. We strongly advise everyone to circle as high as they are able before 3.0 in order to get all of their skills grandfathered appropriately.


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External Links

  • 3.0 Conversion Spreadsheet: Calculates your current and future ranks, TDPs, and circle based on the latest information about Skills 3.0.
  • Lore Bonus Pool Spreadsheet: Estimates how many ranks you can gain in one or more skills until your bonus pool is depleted. (This spreadsheet requires information from the 3.0 Conversion Spreadsheet.)
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