User talk:ISHARON

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Actually, I noticed I had messed up the header, but couldn't figure out how to correct it. It just occurred to me that I was using the form, and that the non-form probably had the settings I needed to change.

Thanks for fixing that for me.

Pawla's permutation//Perm of S. probably also needs a redirect or disambig. page but I wasn't quite sure on how to put those in either.


Isharon, I can't seem to figure out wiki-messaging works, so forgive me if I've done this wrong. You asked me to include commas in appraisal values of 1,000 or more. For example, 55,000 instead of 55000. To me, that's confusing because people tend to think about prices in terms of how many plats it is, and 55,000 suggests 55 plat and not 5.5 plat. I realize that if we were to use #,#### as the model - which most closely matches how many plats the item costs - it would also look confusing to people, particularly newcomers, until they had an explanation. It kinda seems like we confuse people no matter which way we do it with regard to including commas, so, since commas aren't used in game at all, I'm wondering why it's necessary to introduce a different standard by adding them here in ePedia and potentially confusing people in yet a different way? I suppose the biggest reason I've not thus far added any commas is to match what we see in game as closely as possible. -NKSTROUD (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2016 (CDT)

I get what you're saying, but the template is only set up to accept appraisals in copper kronars, and the Manual of Style calls for putting commas in all prices and appraisal values of 1,000 or more. (This has been the standard for years.) --ISHARON (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2016 (CDT)

Chris' Mass vs Chris's Mass

I am curious about the reason for choosing "Chris's Mass" versus "Chris' Mass". In game, the area of the festival is referred to as "Chris' Mass" in each room name. It is common for print publications omit the possessive s after proper nouns ending in s (e.g. Mr. Jones' house). However, that doesn't make inclusion of the s incorrect. Was there an in-game basis for choosing one over the other or just personal preference? - padhg (talk) 09:47, 21 December 2016 (CST)

I know some people do just put a single apostrophe (with no S) after proper nouns ending in S. Others writers advocate always adding an 's to singular nouns unless it would create three S sounds in a row. For example, Mr. Jones's dog versus Jesus' birth. I prefer the latter approach, but I don't think there is a right or wrong answer on that; just stay consistent.
The game, unfortunately, is not consistent. In game, the astronomical phenomenon for which the festival is named is Chris's Mass, and Elanthipedia uses that spelling for that article.
>observe Mass

You scan the skies for a few moments.
The Mass is unobscured by clouds.
Chris's Mass is a strikingly vivid amorphous region that currently dominates the vault of the heavens. The Mass is composed of glowing ribbons of red and green light that burn so brightly that they threaten to obscure the rest of the sky

You see nothing else of note.
However, on the festival grounds, it's often written Chris' Mass. TBH, I was going to route everything to Chris' Mass for that reason until I realized that more fest pages (and all of the shop pages) were already pointing to Chris's Mass. It would be less work to go with Chris's Mass, because otherwise, you would have to redirect eight festival pages plus edit every shop page that has ever appeared at one of these events. (The shop page categories are also using Chris's Mass.) For example: Category:Chris's Mass Festival 418 shops.
I'm particularly reluctant to change the shop category pages, because it already takes forever for those pages to be populated. (422 is still empty despite my adding three shops to the category yesterday.) --ISHARON (talk) 17:37, 21 December 2016 (CST)
Given the fact that in-game lore, as well as some GM's are aligned to the name Chris' Mass for the festival, I moved all pages associated with Chris' Mass Festival to the appropriate name. There was inconsistency over the years as well as to whether Festival was included in the name or discrepencies like referring to Chris' Mass Festival 389 as Jeolandu Festival 389. All of these should be resolved now. The constellation remains as Chris's Mass (constellation) to reflect it's in-game namesake and will be bugged in game. All the Category pages will need to populate, but I'd rather be consistent than try to workaround some bugs with the wiki. - padhg (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2016 (CST)

Crafted parry sticks

I've made an attempt to add details for crafted parry sticks, but it felt a bit odd since it's a weapon crafted with an armorsmithing technique. Could you glance over my changes to Armorsmithing_products and Weapon:Parry stick (crafted) and make sure it looks ok? I'm still in the process of crafting some steel variations to get data for them, but the article structure should be there. SHELTIM (talk) 11:26, 17 March 2017 (CDT)

HE edits

So I noticed you're making some HE edits! On the Tastelessly Tacky, that prob. shouldn't have been deleted; it was open for a few days, and I was able to document (some of) the new stuff, IIRC one of the surfaces was rotating stock and I never got a chance to check in for more items. It's likely that some of those new items were purchased before the GM's closed it for repairs...
On the map, I also noticed you were deleting the "yes" notes from the "shop done" column. What is that column for if it's not for when one of the wiki contributors confirms that the inventory in the shop is accurate?
Kythryn 06:00, 13 November 2018 (CST)

It looks like you logged off before addressing this. I went and re-read the page edit instructions (they got duplicated in your updates, so I deleted one of those as well), and it looks like I was following the instructions correctly by marking a shop as "yes" in the "Shop Done" column once I confirmed that the inventory, pricing and general shop information were correct. I did go ahead and roll back in my updates as I'm presuming it was just an oversight on your part to delete them. So, anything that is currently marked as "yes" has been verified by me at some point during the festival, as I don't think any of the other contributors have been adding those notes.
I can't address the Tastelessly Tacky deletion, and I don't keep copies of any of the shop inventories (since that's what the wiki is for!), so you or one of the moderators will have to dig out a log I guess if you want to retain any records of those additional surfaces I documented.
As an aside, there may have been multiple problems with the shop that they closed it for, but when I was documenting it a few days after the fest opened, I did come across a potentially serious BUG happening with the way the inventory and SHOP was working in there. I logged that in-game and a GM followed up with me a couple hours later. An hour or two after that the shop closed. It may not even open again before the fest closes, but I do think it's reasonable to assume that some of the newer items are out in the world now from purchases in those first days.
I'll follow up here tonight for if you have any questions or comments - Kythryn 08:42, 13 November 2018 (CST)
Following up with the message I left with your Discord:
  • If any yes's were deleted that shouldn't have been, that was an error on my part. I work from a giant spreadsheet, and while I tried to keep it synchronized with Elanthipedia's copy, it's possible I missed some yes's. I apologize. --ISHARON (talk) 02:23, 14 November 2018 (CST)
  • For Tastelessly Tacky, since it's 11/14/2018 and still not open, I'm going to assume it may not reopen and that its being open earlier was a mistake. For now, let's leave it deleted and off the shop list, since its presence on the list will confuse people. If it does reopen, I can restore the deleted page. --ISHARON (talk) 02:23, 14 November 2018 (CST)
  • I have been unable to edit the shop order in the lowest depths, because the section is so big. When I try, I get the 500 Internal Server Error. --ISHARON (talk) 02:23, 14 November 2018 (CST)
  • I went ahead and deleted the row for Tastelessly Tacky from the lowest depths. I was having that same 500 error last night after you'd done your edits, but I was able to edit it fine when I tried again earlier this evening. I'd given some thought when I was running errands on how to potentially break up the Lowest Depths into sub-sections, since it's just got so many shops. The only thing I could think of that wouldn't (IMO) confuse folks more would be to pull the games (boggle blast, blood and gourd, etc) into a "Lowest Depths - Games" sub-section. Not really sure that trimming 8-10 shops off would make much of a difference though. -Kythryn 03:24, 14 November 2018 (CST)
Probably not. Probably better to try to get the underlying technical issue corrected by Simu staff. --ISHARON (talk) 04:15, 14 November 2018 (CST)

Adding a SOURCE column to searches

Plix mentioned he talked with you about this too, so I figured I'd put this here for discussion. If it wasn't such a big change, I'd just roll it in, but since it'd affect so many things, maybe you and/or the moderators should weigh in on it first.
Anyhow, I did get the source to show up correctly off a mirror of the SSearch. I made a testing template, KythrynSearch, and I've got it in action on my sandbox here: User:ZUERCAT/Sandbox#source_column_on_SEARCH.
Give it some testing and consideration, and if you (and the other mods) are ok with it, I can go ahead and roll it into SSearch and then test it with the other searches (MSearch, ISearch, etc) as well. - Kythryn 19:45, 14 November 2018 (CST)

That looks good to me. (Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I don't always look to see if there are messages waiting for me in Elanthipedia.) --ISHARON (talk) 19:21, 27 November 2018 (CST)
Just following up on this, if we didn't want to update the top-level searches because of resource issues, maybe move away from those and do individual ask calls for individual pages? Eventide moonstone - Kythryn 17:40, 27 November 2018 (CST)
I've added and debugged the SOURCE on SSearch and MSearch. ISearch was acting weird, so I just rolled it back to original. I'll look into updating it next time I have some free time to tinker. Let me know if you can think of anywhere else that SOURCE might be useful to see and I'll add it to the list to update as well. - Kythryn 19:19, 1 December 2018 (CST)