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==Template Suggestions==

===Creature Template===
Hey Caraamon, any chance of adding box ranges to creature templates? They would be easier to update if they were listed on the creature page. Would be nice to use them as a variable that would show up in the Box Range lists as well. --[[User:Leito|Leito]] 00:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
: It's a possibility. Lemmie think about how to best do it. Remind me again if I don't get to it this week. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 02:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

===Item Template===

I think that the [[Template:Item|item template]] should have a field that asks whether the item hides any features or items (f=features, i=items, b=both, n=neither). --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 21:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

===Post Template===

I think it would be a good idea to modify the [[Template:Post|post template]] so that it automatically includes a link to the forum post. I realize that old posts often disappear, but while they're online, it would be useful to have a link to the original. The post template already contains the information that you need (category, topic, and post number).<br>
<br>
The format for a forum link is:<br>
<br>
https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=#&topic=#&message=#<br>
:--[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 19:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
::It can't currently do that since it currently cannot "process" the folder info. Those would have to be stored in separate fields... assuming there isn't anything odd about trying to format external links. It's possible, but would take a lot of extra work both with the template AND with transferring posts. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 09:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Will there ever be a post query? If so, separating the folders into separate fields might be worthwhile. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 02:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:Considering that I often find info in folders that have NOTHING to do with it, I'm not really sure it would be. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 05:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's true, but sometimes you remember which folder a post is in without being able to find the actual post (unless you're willing to scan dozens of pages). --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 18:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

===Spell Template===

With the advent of Magic 3.0, I think that it would be good to add a category for obsolete spells. (Currently, they are listed in planned spells, which is misleading.) --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 16:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:Agreed. Lemmie see if I can set up the template to handle it. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:Done, and recategorized. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 23:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

===Constellation Template===

Hi Caraamon,

Any chance the default for not having the "hours in sky" be "all night" or something like that? I ask because hours of night are seasonal dependent, and the constellations with specific hours do not have a varying time.

Thanks,
--[[User:Hithrael|Hithrael]] 03:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm, I've got an idea. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 10:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:How's that work for ya? -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 10:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I think it's in the right direction, but doing something weird. See: [[Raven_(constellation)]] --[[User:Hithrael|Hithrael]] 16:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC).
:::I think I've beaten it into submission. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Looks that one one's quashed... I think as a last ask, would the "Visibility" one be able to draw from the dates the constellation is up to provide the season match? --[[User:Hithrael|Hithrael]] 01:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Provide me with the dates which the seasons change, and I can look into it. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 01:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::[[http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Time#Seasons]] --[[User:Hithrael|Hithrael]] 01:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::In theory, it should be done. I haven't had time to fully test it, so let me know if it goes wonky. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 02:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::There seems to be some ambiguity about the "End Date." Are you listing those as the first day they can't be seen, or the last day they can be seen? -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 03:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Start date should be first date visible, end date should be the last date visible.--[[User:Hithrael|Hithrael]] 03:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Good, because that's what the template assumes. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 03:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

==Moderators==

How do you decide who becomes a moderator or not? I think my ~3,000 contributions certainly warrant me for consideration. --[[User:Thilan|Thilan]] 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Generally, I go, "Huh we need new mods. Lets check the recent activity list. Okay, he/she's been doing a lot of work." If you haven't been asked, it means that I just didn't happen to see you, not that I've decided you aren't good enough (usually). -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

==Deletion Requests==

Please delete [[Post:The Big Post of Magic Techniques - 1/29/2011 20:41:38]]. I forgot the hyphen in the date and didn't realize that it had already been posted. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 17:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that a person by the name of UliannaMiddleton made an account, posted an article on MCSE, and uploaded a picture about that, all within 1 minute. Looked like a spam bot to me so I edited away the info on the article. If you would please, delete everything else? [[User:Dezmis|Dezmis]] 08:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
: Nice catch! -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 09:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Change of Page names==
hey chief,
a couple of pages i thought could use a name change, and i'm not sure how...
'sky hawk' - are actually called 'giant snow hawk' in Forf (i added the desc and some notes)
'year 400 fireworks' - i think should be called a 'spectacular show' maybe, since that's what it was called when observed in the sky
[[User:Powerhaus|Powerhaus]] jan 8, 2011
:Moved Hawk page after some fumbling. I don't know much about the fireworks so I'll leave that decision to someone else.<br>-[[User:Glimmereyes|Glimmereyes]] 05:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:: I added a redirector for it. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 05:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

==Durability Changes...==

Ok, so with durability changes comes new "ranges" in appraisals...

Do we have anything setup that recognizes "Was appraised with old ranges" vs "Was appraised with new ranges" in wiki, if not should we? [http://elanthipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Post:Re:Durability_2.0-_10/10/2010_-_10:36:53&redirect=no] --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 20:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yup. Items not marked with "newapp=yes" get tagged with [[Template:OldApp]]. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if this is a result of the new durability changes... but when doing database search/sort, the highest to lowest order goes 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 10, 1. [[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] 21:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:44, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Can you post a link to an example? It doesn't seem to be doing that for me. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:: When I sort this page by balance, it does the 9, 8, 7, etc etc etc 10, 1 thing, but ONLY when I do from most to least. When it goes from least to most, it sorts properly. Sorry for the super long and messy URL. It seems owly and bitly etc are all blocked as spam options.
::<nowiki>http://elanthipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category:Weapons]]%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A[[Is+combat+type::Light+Edged]]&p=format%3Dbroadtable&po=%3FPuncture+damage+is%0A%3FSlice+damage+is%0A%3FImpact+damage+is%0A%3FBalance+is%0A%3FSuitedness+is%0A%3FWeight+of%0A|Test</nowiki> [[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] 22:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, I see it. I suspect it's a bug with the semantic programming, considering how specific it is. I don't think there's anything we can do. I'll do a bit more checking. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::No problem. Just wanted to give you a heads up. It's a really specific oddness and I doubt people would often even run into it. [[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] 22:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==Multiple Shops==
I was thinking about this on my ride home from a road trip, would it be easier to use other designations for festival shops that change year to year instead of (1), (2) etc? For example, for Hallow Eve fests, they could be (HE2008), (HE2009). Most fests are able to have a two letter designation, HE, GF, EL(Feast of Eluned), EL2(Feast of Eluned2), etc. then that way, we know which year which shop much easier. Just a thought. --[[User:Ysselt|Ysselt]] 03:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
:In general, I would agree, except that it seems that some versions show up at multiple festivals, before they get switched to a new version. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 01:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

==Sysops==

I've named you "lead sysop" even though you've been in that roll for a while now. Please glance over the current admins listed [[Elanthipedia:Administrators|here]] and let me know who you think we should bump down due to inactivity and let me know if you want to bump any current editors up due to their contributions to the wiki. I trust your judgement.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] <sup>([[User talk:Naeya|talk]])</sup> 21:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, I'm flattered. Thanks for your trust.
:: Congratulations. You do tons on this site so if anyone deserved it, it's you. [[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] 01:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:As for admins, I think we need to drop [[User:Farman|Farman]] and [[User:Aetherie|Aetherie]], as the most recent post by either of them was January 2009. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 00:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shops by Type subcategory not sorting properly==

As the title says, when you get to the lowest level of shops by type everything is bunched together under a single heading based on the level higher. So for example, instead of Magic Shops sorting each shop by the shop's first letter, everything is listed under M for Magic Shops. I checked a few other random subcategories like Shops by Town, etc and they all seem to be working fine.
: It may take a bit to repopulate, it but should be fixed now. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 23:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

==Weapon Search Page==

Is there a way to search for weapons that are multiple types, i.e. HT/pike vs. HT/HB or 2HE/HE vs 2HE/2HB? If not can that be added in? Love the feature btw. --[[User:Thilan|Thilan]] 15:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
: You mean items that are both? Hmmm... Lemmie think about how to do it. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 00:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

==Blacksmithing==

Since you are putting so much work into the new blacksmithing pages, I wonder if you could ad something rather important that is missing: What can you actually make? A list of items which can be crafted I think would be highly useful. [[User:Russell|Russell]] 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:Workin on it :P -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 00:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

==Snow Elf Page==

Hey there! Is there any way we could get a player page for the Snow Elf category? I had originally had mine on there (just because there wasn't one) and noticed that there were a couple other PC's under the regular Snow Elf category. --[[User:Slecker|Slecker]] 17:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:Go ahead and make one. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 18:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:Okey dokey --[[User:Slecker|Slecker]] 18:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

==Age==

I undid your redirect on [[Age]], it created a circular redirect and the page and info became lost. I am not sure which page you wanted the info to be on (Age or Age command) but it ended up on neither with both redirecting to each other. I was scratching my head for awhile trying to find that info that I knew existed before. Go ahead and set it back up how you intended, but I had to undo it for now. [[User:Russell|Russell]] 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
: Wasn't paying attention and I didn't notice the [[Age command]] redirected to [[Age]]. Ooops. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

==Thanks for Helping!==

I couldn't get the toy sources to link to the treasure box without it displaying oddly. [[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] 02:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
: Just make sure to set the source type to "other." That should fix the issue. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 02:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Plat Timeline Differences==

There's been an interest to record how IG events worked out differently in Plat than they did in Prime, so both players and GMs are better at remembering all the minor differences that tend to happen. Would you recommend just having people add a "Plat Differences" section where appropriate? [[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] 17:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
: Go for it. Knock yourself out. I have 0 issues with that. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 23:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


You forgot to say all that LOUDLY. :-)
You forgot to say all that LOUDLY. :-)

Revision as of 20:03, 20 March 2011


Template Suggestions

Creature Template

Hey Caraamon, any chance of adding box ranges to creature templates? They would be easier to update if they were listed on the creature page. Would be nice to use them as a variable that would show up in the Box Range lists as well. --Leito 00:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a possibility. Lemmie think about how to best do it. Remind me again if I don't get to it this week. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Item Template

I think that the item template should have a field that asks whether the item hides any features or items (f=features, i=items, b=both, n=neither). --Isharon 21:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Post Template

I think it would be a good idea to modify the post template so that it automatically includes a link to the forum post. I realize that old posts often disappear, but while they're online, it would be useful to have a link to the original. The post template already contains the information that you need (category, topic, and post number).

The format for a forum link is:

https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=#&topic=#&message=#

--Isharon 19:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
It can't currently do that since it currently cannot "process" the folder info. Those would have to be stored in separate fields... assuming there isn't anything odd about trying to format external links. It's possible, but would take a lot of extra work both with the template AND with transferring posts. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 09:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Will there ever be a post query? If so, separating the folders into separate fields might be worthwhile. --Isharon 02:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Considering that I often find info in folders that have NOTHING to do with it, I'm not really sure it would be. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
That's true, but sometimes you remember which folder a post is in without being able to find the actual post (unless you're willing to scan dozens of pages). --Isharon 18:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Spell Template

With the advent of Magic 3.0, I think that it would be good to add a category for obsolete spells. (Currently, they are listed in planned spells, which is misleading.) --Isharon 16:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Lemmie see if I can set up the template to handle it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Done, and recategorized. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Constellation Template

Hi Caraamon,

Any chance the default for not having the "hours in sky" be "all night" or something like that? I ask because hours of night are seasonal dependent, and the constellations with specific hours do not have a varying time.

Thanks, --Hithrael 03:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, I've got an idea. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 10:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
How's that work for ya? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 10:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it's in the right direction, but doing something weird. See: Raven_(constellation) --Hithrael 16:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC).
I think I've beaten it into submission. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Looks that one one's quashed... I think as a last ask, would the "Visibility" one be able to draw from the dates the constellation is up to provide the season match? --Hithrael 01:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Provide me with the dates which the seasons change, and I can look into it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
[[1]] --Hithrael 01:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In theory, it should be done. I haven't had time to fully test it, so let me know if it goes wonky. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be some ambiguity about the "End Date." Are you listing those as the first day they can't be seen, or the last day they can be seen? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Start date should be first date visible, end date should be the last date visible.--Hithrael 03:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Good, because that's what the template assumes. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Moderators

How do you decide who becomes a moderator or not? I think my ~3,000 contributions certainly warrant me for consideration. --Thilan 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Generally, I go, "Huh we need new mods. Lets check the recent activity list. Okay, he/she's been doing a lot of work." If you haven't been asked, it means that I just didn't happen to see you, not that I've decided you aren't good enough (usually). -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Deletion Requests

Please delete Post:The Big Post of Magic Techniques - 1/29/2011 20:41:38. I forgot the hyphen in the date and didn't realize that it had already been posted. --Isharon 17:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that a person by the name of UliannaMiddleton made an account, posted an article on MCSE, and uploaded a picture about that, all within 1 minute. Looked like a spam bot to me so I edited away the info on the article. If you would please, delete everything else? Dezmis 08:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice catch! -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 09:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Change of Page names

hey chief, a couple of pages i thought could use a name change, and i'm not sure how... 'sky hawk' - are actually called 'giant snow hawk' in Forf (i added the desc and some notes) 'year 400 fireworks' - i think should be called a 'spectacular show' maybe, since that's what it was called when observed in the sky Powerhaus jan 8, 2011

Moved Hawk page after some fumbling. I don't know much about the fireworks so I'll leave that decision to someone else.
-Glimmereyes 05:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I added a redirector for it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Durability Changes...

Ok, so with durability changes comes new "ranges" in appraisals...

Do we have anything setup that recognizes "Was appraised with old ranges" vs "Was appraised with new ranges" in wiki, if not should we? [2] --Callek 20:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Items not marked with "newapp=yes" get tagged with Template:OldApp. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if this is a result of the new durability changes... but when doing database search/sort, the highest to lowest order goes 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 10, 1. TEVESHSZAT 21:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:44, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Can you post a link to an example? It doesn't seem to be doing that for me. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
When I sort this page by balance, it does the 9, 8, 7, etc etc etc 10, 1 thing, but ONLY when I do from most to least. When it goes from least to most, it sorts properly. Sorry for the super long and messy URL. It seems owly and bitly etc are all blocked as spam options.
http://elanthipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category:Weapons]]%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A[[Is+combat+type::Light+Edged]]&p=format%3Dbroadtable&po=%3FPuncture+damage+is%0A%3FSlice+damage+is%0A%3FImpact+damage+is%0A%3FBalance+is%0A%3FSuitedness+is%0A%3FWeight+of%0A|Test TEVESHSZAT 22:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I see it. I suspect it's a bug with the semantic programming, considering how specific it is. I don't think there's anything we can do. I'll do a bit more checking. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Just wanted to give you a heads up. It's a really specific oddness and I doubt people would often even run into it. TEVESHSZAT 22:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Multiple Shops

I was thinking about this on my ride home from a road trip, would it be easier to use other designations for festival shops that change year to year instead of (1), (2) etc? For example, for Hallow Eve fests, they could be (HE2008), (HE2009). Most fests are able to have a two letter designation, HE, GF, EL(Feast of Eluned), EL2(Feast of Eluned2), etc. then that way, we know which year which shop much easier. Just a thought. --Ysselt 03:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

In general, I would agree, except that it seems that some versions show up at multiple festivals, before they get switched to a new version. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Sysops

I've named you "lead sysop" even though you've been in that roll for a while now. Please glance over the current admins listed here and let me know who you think we should bump down due to inactivity and let me know if you want to bump any current editors up due to their contributions to the wiki. I trust your judgement.--Naeya (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I'm flattered. Thanks for your trust.
Congratulations. You do tons on this site so if anyone deserved it, it's you. TEVESHSZAT 01:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
As for admins, I think we need to drop Farman and Aetherie, as the most recent post by either of them was January 2009. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Shops by Type subcategory not sorting properly

As the title says, when you get to the lowest level of shops by type everything is bunched together under a single heading based on the level higher. So for example, instead of Magic Shops sorting each shop by the shop's first letter, everything is listed under M for Magic Shops. I checked a few other random subcategories like Shops by Town, etc and they all seem to be working fine.

It may take a bit to repopulate, it but should be fixed now. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Weapon Search Page

Is there a way to search for weapons that are multiple types, i.e. HT/pike vs. HT/HB or 2HE/HE vs 2HE/2HB? If not can that be added in? Love the feature btw. --Thilan 15:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

You mean items that are both? Hmmm... Lemmie think about how to do it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Blacksmithing

Since you are putting so much work into the new blacksmithing pages, I wonder if you could ad something rather important that is missing: What can you actually make? A list of items which can be crafted I think would be highly useful. Russell 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Workin on it :P -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Snow Elf Page

Hey there! Is there any way we could get a player page for the Snow Elf category? I had originally had mine on there (just because there wasn't one) and noticed that there were a couple other PC's under the regular Snow Elf category. --Slecker 17:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and make one. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 18:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Okey dokey --Slecker 18:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Age

I undid your redirect on Age, it created a circular redirect and the page and info became lost. I am not sure which page you wanted the info to be on (Age or Age command) but it ended up on neither with both redirecting to each other. I was scratching my head for awhile trying to find that info that I knew existed before. Go ahead and set it back up how you intended, but I had to undo it for now. Russell 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't paying attention and I didn't notice the Age command redirected to Age. Ooops. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Helping!

I couldn't get the toy sources to link to the treasure box without it displaying oddly. TEVESHSZAT 02:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just make sure to set the source type to "other." That should fix the issue. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Plat Timeline Differences

There's been an interest to record how IG events worked out differently in Plat than they did in Prime, so both players and GMs are better at remembering all the minor differences that tend to happen. Would you recommend just having people add a "Plat Differences" section where appropriate? TEVESHSZAT 17:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. Knock yourself out. I have 0 issues with that. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to say all that LOUDLY.  :-)


Don't suppose you know why RankMap1's table is messed up? -- Taral 00:05, 18 April 2008 (CDT)

Lemmie look into it.Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi 00:16, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
Fixed, looks like I typoed when I was messing with one of the core templates. Bah!Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi 00:24, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
Thanks! -- Taral 14:06, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

Congrats!

Hey, Caraamon, congrats on being made admin! I like what you did with {{spell}} and {{item}} templates, automatically adding {{incomplete}} when the infobox is missing certain info, that's nicely coded. I made a few tweaks to {{incomplete}} to make it look better, hope you agree with my choices. --Farman 10:56, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

reply posted on my talk page

Hi Caraamon, I responded to your notice about the style manual on my talk page. --Farman 14:39, 19 April 2008 (CDT)


Alicia Crowther

Hi, I see you've moved the Alicia Crowther article from "Alicia" to "Alicia Crowther". How to name articles has been an ongoing concern for the Elanthiedia which has received much discussion in the past. A while back, however, everybody was able to agree on the first-name-only format (with a few exceptions) enough that it has been entered into the Elanthipedia:Manual_of_Style. Hope that helps. --Basselope 12:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

I just noticed the discussion over at Elanthipedia:Manual of Style/new. --Basselope 13:20, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

Template error

It appears that editing one of the templates involved in the Shop templates broke the display for shop pages. Berolt's Dry Goods
-Glimmereyes 08:19, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

I'm trying to fix this. I *think* I know what's going on, but we'll see. I think Caraamon is out of town or at least away from Elanthipedia for a while with RL stuff.--Naeya (talk) 09:07, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
Edit: Nevermind, he made some edits yesterday. I think I'll leave it to him, since it's his baby now! For some reason it's not parsing the {{!}} correctly which is messing up the tables.--Naeya (talk) 09:11, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
Okay, this is why I want to strangle whoever created this wikicode thing..... one freaking lose line called all those problems. sigh. It's fixed. -Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi 11:47, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
You rock, thanks for getting to it so fast! --Naeya (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

Not sure what you did to the spell/enchante templates, but there's a weird line showing up as "{{#ifeq:<guild>|bard|" (where guild is that spell's guild) below every spell box now. Bards are fine --Thilan 10:18, 11 July 2008 (CDT)

The change you made to Roopardua seems to have broken the page's NPC infobox. Tried fixing it but nothing's happening. --Thilan 23:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The change that broke it was actually on the NPC Template, what happend was he added "filler" to the start of the template, and this filler interupted the wiki parsing of {| which must be at the start of its own line. --Callek 04:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Forms

Take a look at Form:Item. I'll be making one of those forms for all the item templates and other popular templates (like integrating all the shop templates into one form as well. Let me know if there's anything I missed. I haven't added all the worn slots yet. Moving tomorrow so won't be able to get back to it for about a week (read: whenever they setup our cable).--Naeya (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

Great idea, I'd volunteer to work on it too, but I have so much on my plate right now, I think I'm going to scream. -Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 19:20, 31 May 2008 (CDT)

Item

See topic Template_talk:Item regarding notes. Thanks!--Naeya (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2008 (CDT)

Cenedora

Hey Caraamon.

Cenedora is not a ring bearer. He was for about 3 days before I rerolled him and completely changed his character concept, he's not even in the same Elven Clan as before - I've destroyed the ring. Can you take him off the list?

SMW Namespace FIXED

Hey! I fixed the namespace problem! However, everything that has been moved to one of the new namespaces needs to be moved back to the main namespace, then moved back to their custom namespace again. The factbox shows up correctly in the new namespaces once this has been done. It's a little tedious, but fixes our problem! I hope you haven't moved too many articles to the new namespaces yet! Let me know if you want help fixing all the affected pages.--Naeya (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2008 (CDT) Hmm or I could be wrong. I've looked at a few more of them and they seem to be fine without the little switcheroo move thing. Let me know if you notice any problems.--Naeya (talk) 19:33, 19 June 2008 (CDT)

By all the annoyingly silent gods, that's great. Thank you. Now if you're bored, maybe you might want to track down why the Forms explode if I try to activate autocomplete on source fields? If not, no biggie, it's not a high priority.-Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 19:35, 19 June 2008 (CDT)

Discussion

Heya, we needta chat about the direction of Items. Please send me an IM (EmpathNaeya) when you can.--Naeya (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2008 (CDT)

Spell Template

Could you take a look at my note here when you get time, please?--Naeya (talk) 13:41, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

Bestiary Level List problem

Since you're better at picking these things apart than I am, could you take a look at the small error that's occuring on the bestiary level list when you have time? Thanks!--Naeya (talk) 09:33, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

Enchantes Pages

I'm not sure if you set up the templates for the spell pages, but I can't seem to find a way to unmark an article as complete. All of the Bard enchante pages are complete as of now - I would like to 'unincomplete' them if possible. Thanks! --Slowhubb 20:20, 6 October 2008 (CDT)

Update: Alright, I found the issue: The enchante template conversion broke something. For whatever reason, it's not tracking the variables necessary for completion correctly. For instance, I can have the enchante play times, song form, etc blank because the spell template doesn't track those fields to determine whether or not the article is complete.

I went through and updated most of the enchante pages to complete them, but it had the unintended effect of completing non-complete pages. Any ideas? I don't think I can edit the template myself to fix the issue.

Thanks! --Slowhubb 23:21, 12 October 2008 (CDT)

I'll look into it when I have a moment. My plate is a bit full, but I'll get on it "soon." -Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 23:42, 12 October 2008 (CDT)

Rawr

check it out, factbox is back. --Naeya (talk) 18:17, 1 November 2008 (CDT)

Ask syntax

Have you used <ask> anywhere? If so I need to make some code changes. This was something that has to do with the SMW upgrade. It might be easier to change them all to #ask - (more info - SMF site--Naeya (talk) 17:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, *I* haven't. I uses #ask. Dunno if anyone else has. -Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 21:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok it shouldn't be a problem then. I don't think anyone else has been using any of the semantic querying beside yourself. Thanks.--Naeya (talk) 23:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, on Elemental Pathways

done, gave pathway perceive it's own page for future additions too -Powerhaus 10:26, 30 January 2009

hmm ok, i'll work on it. Eh Barrage kind of is and isn't, it's not like the others cause it's an actual attack rather than a state of mind, but shows up on our pathway list and uses 'mental reserve' that only gets drained and used by pathway stuff, i'll probably just put a See barrage or something. thanks Powerhaus23:40, 29 January 2009

noticed there's 2 pathways pages, one with spoilers, and one that's a mess. Should the info just be copied over the the messy one, and delete the spoilers and leave a link to the pathway spoilers page? Also I don't think the whole Spell Form is needed, since other than barrage they don't include any spell effects? Also was wondering if I should move Defense Pathway spoilers from Discussion to the acual page since it's been awhile now. Finally, should Barrage be included with the pathways with just a link to the Barrage entry? Powerhaus 11:00, 29 January 2009

Hi

If you could get with me in an email that would be fantastic. idonraiders@inbox.com or idonswebmaster@imseeingatherapist.com either works. thanks so much.--WebmasterIdonraiders 00:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

please note I've responded to Fenance's claims as best I could and also took your advice and remained civil :) Thanks for taking the time to hear both sides and Have a great night. --WebmasterIdonraiders 00:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Titles

I've been changing some of the Title pages to use the TitleReq templates, rather than the extra pipes in the Title template, as I thought the TitleReq was the way things were going, but then I saw what you'd done with Barbarian Titles, so am thinking I may need to undo the changes I've made. Or, possibly use both styles so that TitleAsk and the individual Title pages both work? Thoughts? FuIru 20:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the long wait, I've been having internet problems. Use TitleAsk for the category pages and use the forms to do the individual title pages. The form knows how to process it correctly.Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

As you probably noticed I updated the titleAsk stuff to "work better" including pretty name, and linking etc. (we may want to update css/formatting on the "more" link... no time atm). I also added a TODO page to help with getting it all done (and caught up)! Also of note is the missing property, which I added generically to do things like what you just did today (add it to other templates), so thanks on that! --Callek 05:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep I saw and it looks good to me. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 06:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Replied to you on my talk page. again --Callek 20:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

hey, any idea what is up with the Title ToDo page, it refs the missing::TitleReq and still shows many pages that no longer have that. Even its "more" link shows that. Nearly the whole first results have that problem. Is it a Semantic bug, a function of how elanthipedia is cached, or did I do some mistake? If a semantic MW bug I can surely dig and attempt to fix stuff, but it may take a bit of work. (my best guess is its a factor of Semantic MW + parser functions together, the #if stuff) --Callek 03:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a caching issue as far as I can tell. Basically, until the page is purged after the semantics change, it won't send it to the search engine properly. At least that's the issue I keep running into. If that doesn't work.... lemmie know and I'll poke into it. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 07:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I've found a fix. Purging (i.e. refreshing) isn't enough, you actually have to do a no-change edit and save for it to be updated correctly. I suspect it has to do with the fact they were shifted namespaces, but I'm not sure of the details. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 07:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Yea, purging in and of itself did not work (I can also purge :-) ) which is where I was confused. --Callek 15:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, and looks like it STILL did not update that ToDo page (I see a few that still shouldn't be there)... unless you mean purge/blank-save on the Title:* pages themselves. --Callek 15:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Gotta resave each individual title page. Why? Damned if I know. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 19:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Couple things: How do we calculate a diff for a title that only requires a stat like Title:Actor? And how do we calculate a diff for a guild title requiring a skill that isn't required for the guild like Title:Impresario? Had a couple more that have slipped my mind at the moment, but I'll let you know. I've been gradually working through the categories, finished Trader, Performer, Lore and Criminal, working on Survivals and up next are Thief and the other general categories. I saw you were doing the combat ones this morning so I'll leave those to you if you want. Thanks, Azhag 02:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, what I do is that I ignore any skill that isn't required (no choice), and if it's a pure stat title, I make an arbitrary guess based on what I know of the given guild. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 02:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


Gem Selling

Hey can you proofread and copy-edit Selling_Gem_Pouches for me, I'm not sure if that is clear enough. But I just wanted to write an article on it from all my times explaining the methods to newcomers in the gemshop in crossing! (I plan on writing a page on the numbers, and one "for traders" to refer to eventually) --Callek 18:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to better word it at the moment, but tieing a pouch actually creates 2 items, not one. It is one for the pouch itself, and one for all the gems inside. --Callek 21:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

response

I responded on my user talk. As far as the changes go, I've provided proof but honestly, they're about things that are general reputation. It's well known, and Ragran is attempting to hide it. As someone who works full time on wikis, I am quite averse to people trying to whitewash their own articles that read like puff-pieces. Fenance 22:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Ranik Maps

I just made a change to the map infobox, without first verifying that this is something we want. Revert if you think we need to either create stubs with template for shops red-linked from maps. Or if you feel that the way I did this is not wanted (i.e. fest shops showing up, needing to add new shop pages for the links to even appear, or shops from sub-maps not appearing -- i.e. Trader shop is not on Ranik's Map 1). --Callek 04:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Inkhorne

Why drop Map4 and add Leucro's, I'm still not sure where there is the Inhorne --Callek 19:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Unless they were moved to map4 with the west gate update, the only palce I've ever seen inkhorns was in with leucros. They're rare....assuming they haven't been removed in the year or so since I was last there. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 19:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

They were added to Hunting Preserve, yes. But they are definitely not on the Map for Leucro's... so thats a "MapError" to add there... but we need the Map4 added back (I'm at work, so please do it for me) ;-) --Callek 19:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Creature, NPC's, Shop Owners, and Maps

A few thoughts I am having... The creature pages are unwieldy and unable to be easily modified via the Form.

I suggest one of us come up with a new layout there (that the current template(s) can fit into without much difficulty (given the large number of critter pages). Preferrably [imo] one that has majority of text along left side of page (rather than needing to move from the float: left stuff)

I was thinking something like a top-of-page header that has all the info, and the picture along the right side. But no idea how to work that. This will also allow us to have the map list specified in numbers alone on the creature pages in future (so we don't need to rely on people using {{rmap}})

As far as NPC's, I was thinking of adjusting the template/form to allow pre-title, last name, and post-title (even affil?) entries. And then we can utilize that info on other pages we link from (such as Maps). This would negate the need to alt-specify MANY of the NPC's. (and could be used for player characters too).

Shopowners I was considering removing from the "Noteable People" list, unless they have another |type| associated with their NPC page. reasoning being in some cities there are MANY shops, and as the shops are already listed there is probably no need to also list their owners on the main map page.

I have not investigated any of these thoughts too heavily yet, but was wondering your opinion.

--Callek 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree about the critter stuff. Lemmie give it some thought and I'll do some mock ups. Personally, I prefer right lined stuff, though.
Either way, some mockups would be good (I was going to just do some mockups last night, but got waaay too tired) --Callek 18:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, I was more thinking an entire redesign of the page, but based on ThunderRams alone, I think we can go with this... it should work just fine for now. And we can actually let a Form help I think. --Callek 22:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
NPC/Shopkeepers.... the problem is that if you exclude shopkeepers, who else do you exclude? What criteria do we set for "important" people? As for alt names, just change the "names" section to whatever you want displayed, and use that as the display name.... actually, lemmie set that up as a tag. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 18:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
As far as "important" people, I was thinking shopkeepers not listed unless they have/had another role as something else. As in, in general we won't list Grisgonda on crossing (he owns the gemshop) but if the NPC of grisgonda caught and killed Grishnok, then we'd have him listed as another type of npc as well. Basically I'm just thinking to exclude shopkeeps from the Map List who are not also listed as another type. (The shops themselves are still listed, and I still intend we include the shopkeeps on the wiki). --Callek 18:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Posts and Scripts

Hmm, I am envisioning placing posts in their own namespace so we don't have to duplicate them across many pages, and actually using semantic-media-wiki to auto-generate a list of posts (with a "more..." link).

Also, I think we can do a better job of segregating scripts. So if we get a Posts: and a Scripts: namespace we can sort this all out a bit better I think. :-) If you agree I'd like to pester Naeya about adding those two new namespaces. (I have a better idea along the Posts side than Scripts side though). --Callek 22:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Ahh I knew there were two namespaces I wanted to use, and Scripts was one thing I've been thinking about, but wasn't actually the namespace I was hoping to ask you about. The other being "Logs". For <cleaned-up> logs of events, meetings, etc. not meant to be the main-wiki articles, but useful for anyone who cares to see the finer details. (Can be copied logs from posts, or players actually posting the logs themselves). Most logs should/could be made eventually into 3'rd party style. --Callek 22:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason why not. Go ahead and bug her....assuming it doesn't break things like last time. Ew. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 23:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you put up a lot of posts. Are you entering them all by hand or is there some wiki thing I'm missing that automatically generates the page? --Maje 21:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

See Form:Post -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Spell Template

Can you please recheck your work on the spell template? It seems that the categories aren't directing properly since they are using lowercase names when they should be uppercase (i.e. Category:Versus agility Spells instead of Category:Versus Agility Spells. Thanks. --Thilan 16:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 17:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
It looks like the spells aren't being assigned to their respective categories. Soul Sickness, for example, correctly categorizes as a Versus Spirit spell on the bottom of the page, but it isn't being added to Category:Versus Spirit Spells. --Thilan 17:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm... it looks like the wiki is being odd again. It doesn't recategorize them till they're edited and saved again (even if there's no change to the edit). -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 17:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I've put a note on the Spell Template discussion page, and was wondering if an admin could take a look at it? Regarding a field for PM to Cap. VTCifer 12:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Factbox not showing up for Shadow Web

Ghodbane asked me to fix some of the stuff he thought he broke. I don't know what's wrong, really; I didn't do anything that I imagine fixed Tenebrous Sense, and now I broke Shadow Web, so I'm just confused. Pls take a look. =/ Sorry for the mess. --Diarik 07:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with either page. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 10:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Oy. Neither do I. I am confused. =) Ah well. Devan 16:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes the factboxes don't show up after being moved or otherwise manipulated. Try hitting the refresh page tab (aka purge) since the cache may need wiping. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 17:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I did that. Next time, I might try nuking the cache directly, rather than relying on Ctrl+F5. In any case, thanks. -Devan 17:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
He didn't really mean your browser cache, but I can easily see how you were confused there. --Callek 21:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I should note that the "refresh" tab is only admin visible (as far as I recall). --Callek 21:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Whoops. Never noticed that. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 23:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Shield

Having a problem with Template:Shield. There's a couple protection values that you don't have listed as possible values, for instance "very poor" and "rather low". I didn't want to edit the template because you had previously hard-coded values as 0=none, 1=poor, 2=low, etc. and I was afraid adding the new ones would break it. Azhag 00:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Are these values the more specific ones that Paladin's get? Give me a list of what's missing and where each falls in the existing list. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 17:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Server Access

A little bird told me you were upset that you don't have server access. Email me and we can discuss this.--Naeya (talk) 02:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Server

Hey, do you currently have access to the server? I have a few ideas for additions that would (probably) need to be added as static pages due to limitations in Wiki. Mostly for search related stuffs with semantic MW. (alternative is to host these search pages off of elanthipedia) --Callek 20:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Not yet. However, if you want to give me an idea of what you want, maybe I could suggest a way to do it while you wait. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 20:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Basically a form (or two, or more) to activate the Semantic Search with various parameters. I was thinking of doing it via actual forms, JS, etc. We can't even link to the Semantic form (easily?) with a '+' character, so this makes it much much harder to do so via wiki, and of course I can't include any JS in wiki. Idea's of "Jugglies", "Medium Shields in Zoluren, metal" etc. "not fest." Ideas to utilize Semantic Mediawiki, but still providing a User Friendly way to search useful formats of it. --Callek 22:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
To a certain exent, it could be done via form. Have it edit a specific page, remove the save option (preview would be sufficient). I was thinking of doing it....but I forget why I stopped. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 22:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion doing it as an edit might be confusing for many, and harder to achieve (I don't think the "Semantic Forms" can achieve the ease-of-use I was hoping) But I can look into that and see what I can come up with, and failing everything else, I can create a page for hosting here (or on an external website) --Callek 22:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Incomplete?

What exactly makes a page incomplete and what sort of information needs to be added for it to be complete? This question is mainly in reguard to NPC pages. - Inauri at 0815 EST on 25FEB09

I think i can answer this one, any missing data, location, description, gender, race, ect. --Legeres 16:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, basically you can tell by going down to the semantic factbox at the end and looking for the tag "missing". That should tell you what's missing, OR if it just says something like "Infobox information missing" it means that it hasn't processed things correctly, and you need to edit and save without changing anything.
Basically, we set up the template to check and see if the missing tag is present and if it is, display the incomplete tag. However, it doesn't check the page itself, it checks the server database of everything that has a missing tag. But it only seems to check when you SAVE the page, so if the database hasn't been updated to show no missing tags by the time you save it (like sometimes right after you complete a form), it will still think the page is incomplete.
I hope that makes sense. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 17:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

FoundInProvince

Hey, can you try and muck with Template:FoundInProvince I can't seem to get it to work right, I have a few ideas on getting this all working nice. (I'm at work so have to take a break from that)--Callek 18:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I can't even figure out what you were trying to do. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 06:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Create a template where I can pass in a page name, where it then extracts all "Found in" properties from the page, and only displays them if said page is in Category:Provinces --Callek 13:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, check back and look what I did. I had to use 3 templates to do it, so it's not pretty, but is that what you wanted? -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 22:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Basically yes, but I was hoping to use this for things like "Cities" etc. as well (which I suppose we can do this all manually for list, as it doesn't change too often). But what does concern me is the added "," at the end of that list, which is why I was trying to limit the actual list of places. And actually it fails... see the page now --Callek 00:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Err yes it "works right" but doesn't have any semblance of actually removing blank entries! --Callek 00:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Tada!-Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 00:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Utter Cheer! --Callek 00:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

GYAH page seems messed up now for the single-province case... see my latest changes :( --Callek 00:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Briefly interupted your work, but fixed a bug :-) See recent changes... --Callek 01:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, you added one. :P -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 01:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Huh no, you had "#switch|" I made it "#switch:|" (though of course, I missed the one extra bug which you fixed, that extra |) --Callek 01:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, so I added two bugs, and you only fixed one. Hah! I win. I think. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 01:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes you win, but only because you found a way to actually do this!!! --Callek 01:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I am the Template King -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 01:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Character

ya need a character page now, and gotta list yerself as an author!! :-) --Callek 04:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

speaking of characters what's up with the Issus one? some sort of inside joke(i'm hoping, cause it doesn't seem to fit)?--Legeres 16:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably an inside joke. If he doesn't object, meh. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Factboxes

Any thoughts/solutions to factbox issue(s)? I'm really really missing them, and want things working as they were. --Callek 03:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Working on it. It's not going to be easy. I don't know, Naeya doesn't know. And I don't have a huge amount of time to spend on it till Thursday. We'll see. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I finally had time to look into this, and VOILA!
{QUOTE}[1.3] Since SMW 1.3, the Factbox is hidden by default and will only appear. As a compensation, the toolbox (usually on the left below the search field) shows a link to Special:Browse. To use the display behaviour of the Factbox as it was before SMW 1.3, set $smwgShowFactbox = SMW_FACTBOX_NONEMPTY; The new link and the Factbox during editing can also be configured; see SMW_Settings.php for details. {/QUOTE}
Source: [3]
Now lets get this fixed (please)! --Callek 16:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that was the first thing I checked. It's set correctly. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 19:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Activity

I think you'll have noticed I've not done anything around here lately. Been massively busy in personal life. (may even suspend DR for a bit). I do plan on looking into what I can figure out re: factboxes fairly soon, but no ETA (can do that with or without DR of course). But just wanted to give you a heads up on that. I'll poke ya when I'm back to actively watching --Callek 05:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Favor Orbs

I just happen to be passing by, and noticed your change there... I seemed to recall "will NOT leak" being said by a GM, where did you hear that they DO? --Callek 03:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Because I just experienced it. Filled an orb up, waited a couple days. Found it was no longer full. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Did you gather MORE THAN ONE orb at a time? Did you gain any exp (ranks), did you circle, did you die, did you activate another orb, did you change any stats? --Callek 03:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Basically I had read that they do not leak, but the amount of "bits" needed to fill [x] favor with certain stats can potentially change. So once you commit exp to the orb, said exp won't go away. --Callek 03:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Either individual ranks matter, or it leaks. No circles gained, 3 or 4 ranks gained, no stats trained, no deaths. Had 2 orbs, gotten at the same time, filled at the same time. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
...Had 2 orbs... Did the FIRST of those two leak, or the second? (as in, did the very first one you attempted to get a favor with, actually give you said favor, or did the very first one you did that with "leak")? --Callek 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
No idea which one it was, they were both full. Grabbed one, tossed it on the altar, didn't give me a favor, so I had to rub it once before tossing it back on. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
So to be perfectly clear, steps to reproduce: grab 2 favors; fill both; wait a few days (gain a few ranks); DO NOT: circle, die, place any orb on altar, or raise any stats; Place ONE of your two current (filled) orbs on altar; get message that you need to rub again? --Callek 03:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Exactly. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi(talk) 03:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, guess I'll be hunting for that GM post/thread one of these days. --Callek 03:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


Kraelyst's Site

Hey, I posted this both on the BOAT discussion page and the SCRIPT discussion page, but I want to make sure it's noted. Kraelyst's site is dead - they haven't played for at least 2 years now. I know 1. the travel scripts are pretty large and may or may not fit on an Elanthipedia page, but I think they should definitely be archived somewhere. The links on the script page currently don't work. Most everything appears to be saved right now on ARCHIVE.ORG. 2. The boat information needs to be copied over and placed on the boat page. I put the FAQ in the discussion page, but it's huge. The ship travel scripts should also be archived - they're generally smaller and shouldn't be an issue. However, I'm not as wiki-savvy as most people, so I didn't want to attempt moving them. I didn't add the FAQ to the main BOAT page simply because it's HUGE and doesn't seem like it should all be on one page. Anyway - I wanted to let you know so you, as a moderator were aware of the status of www.lurksponge.com - thanks! --Ysselt 20:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Elven ring in glittering metal egg

I have this ring and am willing to put the information up for it, but what's the best way to do it? I turns into 5-10 different things each looking different. I'm not the best with item pages, so I could just post all the data and let you figure it out. ;) --Choson 20:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Blood Stanch Change

What did you mean by "precasting will not prevent bleeding from new bleeders, and does not teach. Only a cast after a bleeder is received is effective" in the blood staunching article? That sentence is confusing to me, and seems to imply that pre-casting blood staunching will not prevent vitality loss from bleeding wounds received while the spell is in effect but has not actually "kicked in." This is directly counter to my experiences with the spell. I've added a demo/explanation to the talk page of that article so we can try to clear this up. Prime-Lorzelophia 13:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Evil SMW

Have you come any closer to discovering why the SMW is still being impossible? --Naeya (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sigh, no. I've contacted the Sourceforge help mailing list, and gotten "wow that's odd, no idea." I also talked to some other people who run semantic wiki on their sites, no luck. I'm tempted to just wipe and reinstall everything, but I'm not going to do that without a much better understanding of software and a certainty we wouldn't lose any pages. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 18:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Demon

Give me a few days on this one; it requires a bit of delving into some old logs and whatnot of mine to confirm a few suspicions. I do not think elementals or Plane of Probability spirits are regarded as demons except in the most casual (incorrect) lay-person sense, and I'll be able to qualify that if I get some research to back it up. Reene 01:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

FORM- NPC

Form appears to be busted; get the following error when I enter a name in the box and hit Add Page. * Error: no form page was found at Form:NPC. * Thanks --Ysselt 14:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sandbagging Article

I don't believe the article Sandbagging is appropriate for Elanthipedia. Could you or another moderator take a look and make a ruling? Thanks! --Foresee 02:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Bandage Command

The "Bandage Command is not real, and as far as I know has no applications of use. I think someone was confusing it with Tend Command, as this was changed sometime around 2000. Bandage does not work anymore, though it is still listed on the play.net site. Could you delete the page or tell me how to mark things for deletion (I forgot the tag)? Thanks. --Zamara 20:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

use Template:DeletePage to flag a page for deletion
-Glimmereyes 01:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorta still here

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I have not dropped off the face of the earth... err elanthia just yet. I presently have no net at home, which is why I've also not been connecting to DR (or here). Just catching up on forum announcements now as I do from time to time. whenever I get able to sign back up to DR i'll be sure to let you know here. --Callek 00:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Semantic MediaWiki

  1. May 20, 2009 - We're restoring some of the categories we deleted when SemanticWiki was added. This is a temporary measure until we can get it working again. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk)

Hmm, progress, details, etc.? --Callek 07:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

.... *sigh* Don't ask. You'll be happier not knowing. I'll make another push this week. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Book Moving

You moved two books, but it effectively broke their connection to the Royal Library in Muspar'i. It now goes to a redirect page. I'll leave it to you to fix that how it should be. Here's where it caused a redirect page:

  • (Move log); 05:21 . . Caraamon (Talk | contribs) moved Book:MslmIS to Isth'hhtaw'hhs Shh'oiyvh-ur
  • (Move log); 05:21 . . Caraamon (Talk | contribs) moved Book:HktSDJ to Understanding the Society of the Desert Jewel
--Steph 14:10 19 MAR 10

Coordinate Chart

In light of the last known archive website available to download the Coordinate Chart having a trojan, I was wondering what the possibility of hosting a clean copy of the executable file on elanthipedia is. Is it even possible? I think its likely to be beyond the scope of a wiki page, but it doesn't hurt to ask/get clarification, I suppose.--Evran 13:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if we can easily host files, but I'll look into it. I'm about as tech savy as a cyber aardvark. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 18:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Appraisal Values

Some people are adding appraisal values that are converted (I assume by script) from Dokoras or Lirums into Kronars. These conversions are sometimes off due to differences in rounding. You may want to put a note not to use converted appraisals. --Isharon 21:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Woolly References

Heya talking to jaedren today I was wondering if it was Woolly or Wooly tanglefoot. It should be Woolly(2 L's). I wasn't sure how you wanted to change that since there's an entry on Wooly and Woolly, and there's a few typo's in game, the trading cards(he said that'd be fine unchanged) and the Bardic recall(he said that should be changed in game). --Powerhaus 2 sept 2010

That's odd. From what I gather from talking to Raesh, the recall basically pulls from the card itself. Maybe I misunderstood. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 18:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

ah there was a post they fixed it... i meant the pedia articles though, I guess delete the wooly article and just find and replace the other instances with Woolly. --Powerhaus 2 sept 2010

Already done. Cheers. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Player Elf Categories

I do not want to mess anything up by trying to do it myself since I am not exactly sure what you did, but I just wanted to mention that not all of the Clan categories are done. I noticed two PCs still showing up on the NPC list for Forest Elves, for instance. --Rangergls 04 AUG 10

Noted, and thanks. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 20:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Heya

re: your note
Cyia wanted a page, and she's not good at the code, so I just made one up for her real quick, and said I'd clean up whatever she decided to put there later. Also did the same for Meanne(page building), but she's edited it since then. Lemme know if you got any issues or anything, I can just give C a formated version of whatever that she can just paste if that works better.

--Powerhaus 29 april 2010


New At This...

Caraamon,

I am sorry I am really new at this so I don't even know if this is how I should be contacting you. Wanted to say first "thank you" for all the work you and everyone else here have done. It has been an enormous aide to me. Second, I saw that you were looking for an update to the "Glyph of Warding" page? I have never edited a wiki page before so I am pretty uninformed. However, I was wondering what information you were looking for?

If I put this in the wrong place, this message, my sincere apologies.

--Malchazador 03:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 8)

This is exactly how you do it, so no worries, and thanks. Basically, the page hasn't been updated since the new depart mechanics went in, and I know glyph of warding was changed then. I just don't remember how it now interacts with the new mechanics. Don't worry about the editing, just try your best and one of the many people who work on this site will come along and fix any formatting issues. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for getting back to me. I did find a few posts by Dartenian about departing with a ward as well as the new "glyph" command which is meant to replace "trace". I can paste them in or something, but I am currently looking at the page in edit mode and I have to admit, I'm really overwhelmed and think I'm out of my league. I am really sorry. I can paste in the info I think. But formatting it correctly I think is out of my skill set right now. I hope I don't mess anything up.

--Malchazador 20:58, 22 April 2010 (UTC) 8)

The Great Outdoors

This freakin' shop SWITCHED its prices in the middle of me trying to figure out how to use a Wiki ... The day before they were in Kronars (same as the shop's been the other two times it appeared) and some time last night they switched to Lirums (although everything in the shop still apps in Kronars). Is that what you're referring to?

EDIT: Ooooo I see, two pages. I'mma attempt to update the (2) page to Lirums.

Skizzy 13:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Updated prices on Great Outdoors, The (2) to appropriate Lirums values. Sorry for letting my n00b show, but is adding an item page as simple as adding a tag for it? There's a bullwhip missing from that crate. Will try to find that answer for myself while I update the rest of those. =D

13:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit the page, take a look at how it's all set up. If it still makes no sense to you, post all the info you have on the Talk page and someone will make the edit for you. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Couple things I've had trouble reverse engineering (namely that Bardic Journey, The =/= The Bardic Journey, and how to list an item's slot as "tied to hair") but I think I'm getting the hang of it without leaving any stupid mistakes behind. Skizzy 23:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC) Redirect for the bard shop noted, and appreciated! Skizzy 23:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

To set an item as hair worn depends on if you're doing it by hand or with the Form. The Form has a drop down menu that'll set where an item is worn, just select Hair. If you're doing the work by hand, "|Wearloc=hair". When setting Wearloc, make sure you set the Type as well. Even if you properly set the location, if you don't set one of the Types to Jewelry, Clothing or Container the page will not display the worn location.
-Glimmereyes 01:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Wearloc=hair is "placed in the hair," no? There's a separate slot for "tied to the hair" and that's the one I can't figure out how to pick. Skizzy 08:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, there's no difference. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 08:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

All of your items worn tied to the hair: a makeshift hair tie of braided sinew
All of your items worn placed in the hair: a delicate cambrinth hairpin graced with a tiny enameled shrew
Items worn tied to the hair: 1/1
Items worn placed in the hair: 1/1
? Skizzy 15:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I've added support for it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


Nonexisting Character Pages

Moved this discussion over here. I'm not talking about a glut of PC pages. I'm talking about pages of characters that DON'T exist at all. Example: http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Ena It's for someone's house pet. Another example: http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Thewonmisral He states the character will probably never be actually seen and is just part of history (though I know things change, so you know, that'd be something to confirm.) These are the examples I'm talking about - not actually played characters. The hedgehog as an NPC really bothers me for the precedent it could set. --Ysselt 04:13, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. Bring those type of pages to moderator attention and they'll be squashed. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:24, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Heya

Just got back in the game after a long break, good to see your still around.

I don't even want to think about how much stronger you must be now.

See you in the Realms!

-Stuwart; Dwarven Cleric of Urrem'tier.


juggling list

Caraamon, if you get a chance, could you have a look at the juggling table I started in my sandbox/juggle. The current list of juggling items on the perception page doesn't list the vast majority of the jugglies we have as items. I thought it would make more sense to compile the table based on "juggle" item types instead. However, with the current item templates, only store-bought juggling items will list their source. That's at least as far as I can get... I'm not so good with figuring out templates. If you're able to work out a solution, I'll go through and get the current perception page list itemized.

Thanks for fixing my Gorbesh Captain's items, by the way. That was making me crazy.

- Hrodberacht 16:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Concept Pages

Hi there Caraamon. What's up with all of the "Concept" pages that show up in Special:BrokenRedirects? If you visit those pages, it looks like they're correctly redirecting to Item pages. Is that a bug of some sort? I've been trying to fix broken redirects but I don't know what to do about those.
-Vien 15:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Never heard exactly what caused it, but during an update a while back most of the pages from the Item name space where moved to the Concept name space. All the pages have been moved back to their proper name and I've slowly been deleting the Concept pages, but don't always think to fix/Delete the pages linking to the Concept.
Short answer, either ignore the Concept pages or tag them with the Delete template. Pages that redirect to Concept pages should be altered to point to the Item name space.
-Glimmereyes 19:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Duplicate Posts

I'm not sure which to keep. This is the original Post:My_Pyre_is_Broke_:( which links from the Phoenix's Pyre page, and this is the one just created Post:My_Pyre_is_Broke_:(_*NUDGE*_-_7/21/2010_-_14:42:55 with as yet no links I'm aware of. I'll leave it up to you to decide which is the correct format, since creating post pages confuses me. ;)--Evran 02:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Fixed -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:53, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Away

Hey, I've been away the past few months (again). Do we need any site maintenance stuff or not? (Been way way busy with real life, job for bills etc, still not back in DR etc.) --Callek 22:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing dire. Just continue to poke around like you always do. :P -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)