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Armor Template

The new protection, absorption, and hindrance ranges for body armor are now live. (Shield protection is still on a separate scale, which has not changed.) I recommend changing the armor template so that it accepts new and old scales (but flags old scales as outdated), which is similar to the current Weapon template. --Isharon 19:37, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Protection:

  1. poor
  2. low
  3. fair
  4. moderate
  5. good
  6. very good
  7. high
  8. very high
  9. great
  10. very great
  11. extreme
  12. exceptional
  13. incredible
  14. amazing
  15. unbelievable

Absorption:

  1. very poor
  2. poor
  3. low
  4. somewhat fair
  5. fair
  6. moderate
  7. good
  8. very good
  9. high
  10. very high
  11. great
  12. very great
  13. extreme
  14. exceptional
  15. incredible
  16. amazing
  17. unbelievable

Hindrance:

  1. no
  2. insignificant
  3. trivial
  4. light
  5. minor
  6. fair
  7. mild
  8. moderate
  9. noticeable
  10. high
  11. significant
  12. great
  13. extreme
  14. debilitating
  15. overwhelming
  16. insane

Weapon Forging Templates

What kind of syntax would you suggest for weapon templates? Multiple weapon types use the same template, and it would make sense to link them all together and not make them dependent on the name. Let me know what you think works best so I can start flowing in data. —TEVESHSZAT 19:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

...I'm going to have to think about that. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 19:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty. Just let me know whatever system you prefer. I was thinking something like Weapon:Forged_TYPE_PRIMARYDAMAGE_SUITED_VOLUME could possibly work. So, for example, the template used by the Briquet/Dagger/Misericorde would be Weapon:Forged_le_puncture_balance_2. There might be some times we'd have to do something like an _(1) or _(2) for some templates, but I don't think it would be too terrible. —TEVESHSZAT 21:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, set it up like this Weapon:Forged <template>
The template can be your choice of whichever of them you like, but also mention in the article it covers the other templates, and set up redirects. We'll try that for now. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:ItemProperties

I would like item pages to say, "This item's type is unknown" when the type field is blank. --Isharon 22:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

While in theory I could add it, it would just about double the size of the template, and double the amount of work it would take with each update. So.... no. :P -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Forum Post Properties

For some reason, when I tag a post as being about "PvP," it doesn't list that under the "Facts about" section. However, if I go to the PvP article, the post is archived there. --Isharon 19:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

That is bizarre. And I can't figure out why. sigh -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 07:41, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

New Forum Posts

Now that the Play.net forum has been moved, what do you want to do with the Forum field? Previously, we placed the board number after the category and topic, but the forum no longer uses numbers. Should we just omit the numbers from now on (for example, Discussions with DragonRealms Staff and Players \ Game Master and Official Announcements? --Isharon 18:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, the date format on new posts is a bit different. There are now zeroes before single-digit times (for example, "06/01/2011 05:42 PM CDT"). ----Isharon 19:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Eh, omit the forum folder numbers and just keep the times as the forum displays. Easier to copy and paste that way. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
It looks like the forum post time no longer displays the second, so it is theoretically possible (though unlikely in practice) for two different posts to have the exact same page name. --Isharon 06:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Mining

Two things: could you remove my BOT status? I haven't really had the chance to move much DFP stuff recently, been busy for a while. Also, what is spoiler-ish about the mining section? Would it be possible to just move the spoilers to a secondary article? --Leito 01:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure.
It's spoiler-ish, because I put the page up right when mining came out. It was a warning to people who wanted to PAFO. I'll remove it in a couple more days. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Guildfest 401

Would you mind adding Guildfest 401 to the "Improvement Drive" section of the home page? Thanks!----Isharon 08:54, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The current drive section lists "Guildfest 401" in May 2010. This should be changed to May 2011. ----Isharon 17:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:ItemProperties

When you select "writing" as the item type, nothing appears in the completed item. I think it should say something like "This item is a writing implement or something that can be written on." --Isharon 05:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Turns out that's cause I hadn't added support for it. Huh, I wonder why. Anyways, fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 09:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Any way you could add something for "anatomy chart?" It's a listed property, but the completed item doesn't say what it is if you use it. See, e.g., Item:Silverfish anatomy chart. --Isharon 06:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I could, but at this point, I'd actually be inclined to remove that option. It doesn't seem like they're variable enough in form to need to have their own tag. In fact, I suspect I might have removed it from the template and forgot to remove it from the form and property. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 07:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I would like the item pages to say when an item cannot be worn. Thanks! (wearloc=-) ----Isharon 23:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Post Form

I have no idea why, but every time I try to create or edit a post with the form, I get the following error: --Isharon 18:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/khodges/public_html/w/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc on line 291

Fixed. Oops. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Item Template: Read

It would be nice if there were a dedicated field for item reads. --Isharon 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The default (-) value would be There is nothing there to read. --Isharon 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
It could be done, but that seems like it might just be another step to template overload. Do you really see a huge need for it? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
It would just make it easier to generate forms (especially by script). --Isharon 04:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Mmmmmm, lemmie see. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
(The main issue with my Elanthipedia Items script is that the look ends at the end of the line, and reads are on a separate line. I can't capture that with one regular expression.) --Isharon 04:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ampersands in Post Page Names

How should we handle post titles that contain the ampersand (&)? It seems to be cutting off everything after the ampersand. For example, Post:Crossbows & Tinkering - 4/30/2011 - 8:32:54. (See how it redirects from Post:Crossbows.) --Isharon 22:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

It has to do with the & being used as a control character by the wiki in addresses. If necessary, just replace it with "and." -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:00, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Shield Template Bug

The shield form is missing at least one value (incredible). Here is the shield appraisal scale:

  1. very poor
  2. poor
  3. rather low
  4. low
  5. fair
  6. better than fair
  7. moderate
  8. moderately good
  9. good
  10. very good
  11. high
  12. very high
  13. great
  14. very great
  15. impressive
  16. very impressive
  17. tremendous
  18. incredible
  19. god-like

--Isharon 22:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I see the option in the shield form, but on the finished shield page, it shows up as "Unknown protection." --Isharon 01:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Okay, now it's fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 07:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Now "incredible" is showing up as "Tremendous (10/11) protection." (See above item.) --Isharon 08:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
No it doesn't. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 08:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
It's showing up as incredible now, but is there a reason that the Paladin-only values aren't considered part of the scale? Incredible should be 18/19, not 10/11. --Isharon 18:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Because the vast majority of shields are not paladin appraised, and I want them to still be as accurate as possible when attempting comparisons. For example, if you tried to find all shields better or equal to a paladin level, it would miss many of the shields that were actually that, but not listed as such. Thus, the Paladin more specific appraisals are the same rank as the value a normal person (no, Paladin's aren't normal) would appraise it at. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Reference Tag Bug?

When I use the {{RefAl}} tag, something is wrong with the formatting. The "Related Forum Posts" and "Also See" sections are not recognized as headers. --Isharon 18:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I know, and I've been trying to figure out why. Gimmie a bit. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Fixed. I know what I had to do to fix it, but I don't know why it had to be done. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 10:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Item Template: Fest Items

Does the item template still support the fest= tag, and should we be filling that out? It's not in the form when you click "create/edit with form." --Isharon 22:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Nope, it's superceded by the rare= tag. Thought, it technically will work, since I didn't want to have to track down the ones I'd tagged fest. I also, more or less meant it as an advanced option... though that doesn't seem so smart now that I think about it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 09:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
If you still want us to flag things as rare (fest, auction, etc.), can you add a rare field to the "create/edit with form" option to the weapon, shield, armor, and item pages? (This field is useful if you're using the query pages.) I think that the main reason that it hasn't been added to more items is that people don't know that the information is requested. --Isharon 18:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Rareness is automatically populated for festival store weapons as long as the source store is set as a festival store. That field is reserved for odd source equipment, such as auctions or quest which the system doesn't understand. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Is rare automatically set to no for items whose source is set to a permanent shop? --Isharon 22:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
It SHOULD be, but I'm not sure if it is. I don't remember whether I figured out an easy way to do it. I'll check when I have a moment. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Item label typo

wondering if you could fix a 'louded glass tincture jar painted with a skull and crossbones' to a 'clouded...' one 4/3/2011 powerhaus

Play.net Posts

Thanks for catching my timestamp errors. (I know that midnight is hour 0, but for some reason I forgot when I posted the dragon posts.) --Isharon 05:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

S'what I do! :P -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Spell Template

Can there be an option to designate something as a metaspell (for Magic 3.0)? --Isharon 08:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

On second thought, perhaps a separate metaspell template would be better.--Isharon 08:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Bug With Brawling Template

When the puncture/slice/impact type variable is set to No, the page looks like the puncture/slice/impact damage info is missing.

For example: Weapon:Gold elbow spikes

Appraisal:

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage increase
quite a bit of slice damage
quite a bit of impact damage

Form Values:

|puncture=none
|puncturetype=Yes
|slice=quite a bit
|slicetype=No
|impact=quite a bit
|impacttype=No

Page says:

Puncture: none

Slice: Unknown

Impact: Unknown


The "Facts about" item box at the bottom is also missing damage stats. --Isharon 00:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yea I know. The problem is that I can't set up the template till I have information on how they relate. Is "quite a bit" better or worse than "some?" -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:47, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I've fixed it so it will display, but without more information on how brawling weapons compare, I can't do much more. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there any way that the display could add (increase) when "the damage is the special brawling increase type"? For example:

Puncture: none (increase)

Slice: quite a bit

Impact: quite a bit

--Isharon 15:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Done. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! You're the man. --Isharon 21:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Whitelisting URLs (CAPTCHA Bypass)

Is there a way that certain URLs can be added to a whitelist so that contributors don't have to complete a CAPTCHA when these links are posted? Leito brought it to my attention that he has to go through CAPTCHA every time he adds the DFP tag. --Isharon 20:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggested Whitelist

  • play.net
  • drfuturepast.com
  • drplat.com
  • drsecrets.com
  • elanthia.org
  • malific.com
  • olwydd.org
  • whistlethis.com (character profiler)
  • zairius.com
Already on it. Having Callek look into it since I wouldn't really know where to start. It'll be a bit as he's stuck with RL stuff. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Leading Articles (Items)

Currently, a, an, and some are leading articles that are not included in page names or item names. However, other potential articles are not treated consistently. For example, in some items, "a pair of" and "a set of" are treated as leading articles, but in others they are not.

Do you have a full list of leading articles that should be excluded from page names? --Isharon 17:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no idea why people have decided to leave out the "pair of" etc, but I've been too lazy to do anything about it. On one hand, it is part of the item, but on the other hand, it doesn't add much to the info.
What's your opinion? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 19:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Ignoring the amount of work that it would require to make all of these items consistent, I would only count a, an, and some as leading articles. Phrases like "a pair of" are not articles (grammatically speaking); they're quantities. Unless we exclude all "leading quantities" from page names, we'd have to decide which to include and which to exclude, and that would breed inconsistency.
It seems that more of the items that I've looked at omit "pair of" and "set of" than include those terms, so it would be more work to add those terms than remove them. Another issue is that many of the store pages also omit these articles, so it may not be immediately obvious which pages need to be edited. --Isharon 20:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, include them from now on, and I'll work on updating the old ones where possible. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 20:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Most of that would be from me, based of this post. Category talk:Items#Pairs and Sets?. If memory serves, it was a decision to the achieve the same effect as the List field.-Glimmereyes 21:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Huh, before my time. Interesting. Well, it'll make linking easier... probably. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Favicon

Just an FYI, the FAVICON.ICO for elanthipedia doesn't appear to be working in any browser. (Chrome, FF, IE). Possibly missing.

... I don't actually know what that means. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
It's the icon that appears in the browser for the page/bookmarks for example, the greyish sphere for play.net page, the facebook "f" icon, etc. It looks like Elanthipedia's is missing (it should be at http://elanthipedia.com/favicon.ico according to the source, but it doesn't appear to be there.) VTCifer 12:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll let out tech support guy(s) know. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 13:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure you guys have looked at it at all or anything, but for a few months, I've noticed that the Favicons for elanthipdia, the Theren Guard page, and Ranik Maps(Which is just a quick link to the maps on here) haven't been working on either Chrome or Firefox. It's only in the bookmarks bar, because on the URL I can see it just fine. "Stand Like a Rokk" 19:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Fala Sorgin Title

Found an unlisted title. Fala Sorgin. It is a survival3 title with a ~350 PM requirement and an unknown foraging requirement. It is elvish, which means Forest wizard. I don't know how to put it on the titles list.

Form:Title-Glimmereyes 17:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Change Username

Hello there! Who would one need to speak to about changing one's username? Is that possible?

Go ahead and create the account and I'll merge them. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Here we go. The Ginger 01:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
The accounts have been merged. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! -The Ginger 02:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Tagging

Is there a list somewhere of tags that we should use in articles (e.g. race association, event, categories)?

Thanks, --Hithrael 19:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Category:Manual Properties. Lemmie set it up first. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 19:56, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Gambler

Hey Caraamon! I don't know how to make a disambiguation and I wanted to make a separate page for the Gambler title under Moon Mage titles. When you have a minute, could you help me out? Thanks! -- Coralin

See Title:Gambler. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Crafts Items

Hi Caraamon,

Do we want to set up item pages for basic, mastercraft versions of forged items, based on a standard metal? (thinking medium carbon steel is probably easiest)

--Hithrael 03:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

That sounds fine, but let me think of how to do it properly. Using Template:Weapon would mess a number of things up. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Tab titles

Hey, I was browsing roar titles at this link http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ask/-5B-5Bpage-20type-20is::title-5D-5D-20-5B-5Btitle-20category-20is::Category:Barbarian-20Titles-5D-5D-5B-5Btitle-20subcategory-20is::roar-5D-5D/-3FTitle-20requirement/sort%3DTitle_difficulty_is,/order%3DASC,ASC and the tab title is funky. Now that I look at it, the whole URL is very un-elanthipedia like. Is this just something weird or what? Healfdene Rokk 02:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

What's wierd about the tab?
The URL is just odd because the query stuff is an add on. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 07:28, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


Sortable Lists

I want to move most of the information from my Ship and Travel site to Elanthipedia and would like to create a sortable table of Ships and their types and owners. As I recall, somebody has to make a special code to create a sortable table. Here's the table I want to make sortable: http://www.kraelyst.com/travel/roster.html. Can you help? - Kraelyst

That would be great, Kraelyst! If it's just a regular sortable table, you can see an example of the wiki code here. I usually make mine in Excel and export them to a text file. --Isharon 16:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Template Suggestions

Creature Template

Hey Caraamon, any chance of adding box ranges to creature templates? They would be easier to update if they were listed on the creature page. Would be nice to use them as a variable that would show up in the Box Range lists as well. --Leito 00:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a possibility. Lemmie think about how to best do it. Remind me again if I don't get to it this week. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Item Template

I think that the item template should have a field that asks whether the item hides any features or items (f=features, i=items, b=both, n=neither). --Isharon 21:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Post Template

I think it would be a good idea to modify the post template so that it automatically includes a link to the forum post. I realize that old posts often disappear, but while they're online, it would be useful to have a link to the original. The post template already contains the information that you need (category, topic, and post number).

The format for a forum link is:

https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=#&topic=#&message=#

--Isharon 19:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
It can't currently do that since it currently cannot "process" the folder info. Those would have to be stored in separate fields... assuming there isn't anything odd about trying to format external links. It's possible, but would take a lot of extra work both with the template AND with transferring posts. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 09:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Will there ever be a post query? If so, separating the folders into separate fields might be worthwhile. --Isharon 02:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Considering that I often find info in folders that have NOTHING to do with it, I'm not really sure it would be. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
That's true, but sometimes you remember which folder a post is in without being able to find the actual post (unless you're willing to scan dozens of pages). --Isharon 18:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Spell Template

With the advent of Magic 3.0, I think that it would be good to add a category for obsolete spells. (Currently, they are listed in planned spells, which is misleading.) --Isharon 16:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Lemmie see if I can set up the template to handle it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Done, and recategorized. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Constellation Template

Hi Caraamon,

Any chance the default for not having the "hours in sky" be "all night" or something like that? I ask because hours of night are seasonal dependent, and the constellations with specific hours do not have a varying time.

Thanks, --Hithrael 03:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, I've got an idea. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 10:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
How's that work for ya? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 10:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it's in the right direction, but doing something weird. See: Raven_(constellation) --Hithrael 16:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC).
I think I've beaten it into submission. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Looks that one one's quashed... I think as a last ask, would the "Visibility" one be able to draw from the dates the constellation is up to provide the season match? --Hithrael 01:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Provide me with the dates which the seasons change, and I can look into it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
[[1]] --Hithrael 01:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In theory, it should be done. I haven't had time to fully test it, so let me know if it goes wonky. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be some ambiguity about the "End Date." Are you listing those as the first day they can't be seen, or the last day they can be seen? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Start date should be first date visible, end date should be the last date visible.--Hithrael 03:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Good, because that's what the template assumes. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 03:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Moderators

How do you decide who becomes a moderator or not? I think my ~3,000 contributions certainly warrant me for consideration. --Thilan 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Generally, I go, "Huh we need new mods. Lets check the recent activity list. Okay, he/she's been doing a lot of work." If you haven't been asked, it means that I just didn't happen to see you, not that I've decided you aren't good enough (usually). -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Deletion Requests

Please delete Post:The Big Post of Magic Techniques - 1/29/2011 20:41:38. I forgot the hyphen in the date and didn't realize that it had already been posted. --Isharon 17:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that a person by the name of UliannaMiddleton made an account, posted an article on MCSE, and uploaded a picture about that, all within 1 minute. Looked like a spam bot to me so I edited away the info on the article. If you would please, delete everything else? Dezmis 08:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice catch! -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 09:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Change of Page names

hey chief, a couple of pages i thought could use a name change, and i'm not sure how... 'sky hawk' - are actually called 'giant snow hawk' in Forf (i added the desc and some notes) 'year 400 fireworks' - i think should be called a 'spectacular show' maybe, since that's what it was called when observed in the sky Powerhaus jan 8, 2011

Moved Hawk page after some fumbling. I don't know much about the fireworks so I'll leave that decision to someone else.
-Glimmereyes 05:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I added a redirector for it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Durability Changes...

Ok, so with durability changes comes new "ranges" in appraisals...

Do we have anything setup that recognizes "Was appraised with old ranges" vs "Was appraised with new ranges" in wiki, if not should we? [2] --Callek 20:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Items not marked with "newapp=yes" get tagged with Template:OldApp. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if this is a result of the new durability changes... but when doing database search/sort, the highest to lowest order goes 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 10, 1. TEVESHSZAT 21:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:44, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Can you post a link to an example? It doesn't seem to be doing that for me. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
When I sort this page by balance, it does the 9, 8, 7, etc etc etc 10, 1 thing, but ONLY when I do from most to least. When it goes from least to most, it sorts properly. Sorry for the super long and messy URL. It seems owly and bitly etc are all blocked as spam options.
http://elanthipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category:Weapons]]%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A[[Is+combat+type::Light+Edged]]&p=format%3Dbroadtable&po=%3FPuncture+damage+is%0A%3FSlice+damage+is%0A%3FImpact+damage+is%0A%3FBalance+is%0A%3FSuitedness+is%0A%3FWeight+of%0A|Test TEVESHSZAT 22:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I see it. I suspect it's a bug with the semantic programming, considering how specific it is. I don't think there's anything we can do. I'll do a bit more checking. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Just wanted to give you a heads up. It's a really specific oddness and I doubt people would often even run into it. TEVESHSZAT 22:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Multiple Shops

I was thinking about this on my ride home from a road trip, would it be easier to use other designations for festival shops that change year to year instead of (1), (2) etc? For example, for Hallow Eve fests, they could be (HE2008), (HE2009). Most fests are able to have a two letter designation, HE, GF, EL(Feast of Eluned), EL2(Feast of Eluned2), etc. then that way, we know which year which shop much easier. Just a thought. --Ysselt 03:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

In general, I would agree, except that it seems that some versions show up at multiple festivals, before they get switched to a new version. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Sysops

I've named you "lead sysop" even though you've been in that roll for a while now. Please glance over the current admins listed here and let me know who you think we should bump down due to inactivity and let me know if you want to bump any current editors up due to their contributions to the wiki. I trust your judgement.--Naeya (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I'm flattered. Thanks for your trust.
Congratulations. You do tons on this site so if anyone deserved it, it's you. TEVESHSZAT 01:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
As for admins, I think we need to drop Farman and Aetherie, as the most recent post by either of them was January 2009. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Shops by Type subcategory not sorting properly

As the title says, when you get to the lowest level of shops by type everything is bunched together under a single heading based on the level higher. So for example, instead of Magic Shops sorting each shop by the shop's first letter, everything is listed under M for Magic Shops. I checked a few other random subcategories like Shops by Town, etc and they all seem to be working fine.

It may take a bit to repopulate, it but should be fixed now. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Weapon Search Page

Is there a way to search for weapons that are multiple types, i.e. HT/pike vs. HT/HB or 2HE/HE vs 2HE/2HB? If not can that be added in? Love the feature btw. --Thilan 15:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

You mean items that are both? Hmmm... Lemmie think about how to do it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Blacksmithing

Since you are putting so much work into the new blacksmithing pages, I wonder if you could ad something rather important that is missing: What can you actually make? A list of items which can be crafted I think would be highly useful. Russell 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Workin on it :P -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Snow Elf Page

Hey there! Is there any way we could get a player page for the Snow Elf category? I had originally had mine on there (just because there wasn't one) and noticed that there were a couple other PC's under the regular Snow Elf category. --Slecker 17:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and make one. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 18:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Okey dokey --Slecker 18:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Age

I undid your redirect on Age, it created a circular redirect and the page and info became lost. I am not sure which page you wanted the info to be on (Age or Age command) but it ended up on neither with both redirecting to each other. I was scratching my head for awhile trying to find that info that I knew existed before. Go ahead and set it back up how you intended, but I had to undo it for now. Russell 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't paying attention and I didn't notice the Age command redirected to Age. Ooops. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Helping!

I couldn't get the toy sources to link to the treasure box without it displaying oddly. TEVESHSZAT 02:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just make sure to set the source type to "other." That should fix the issue. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Plat Timeline Differences

There's been an interest to record how IG events worked out differently in Plat than they did in Prime, so both players and GMs are better at remembering all the minor differences that tend to happen. Would you recommend just having people add a "Plat Differences" section where appropriate? TEVESHSZAT 17:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. Knock yourself out. I have 0 issues with that. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to say all that LOUDLY.  :-)


Don't suppose you know why RankMap1's table is messed up? -- Taral 00:05, 18 April 2008 (CDT)

Lemmie look into it.Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi 00:16, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
Fixed, looks like I typoed when I was messing with one of the core templates. Bah!Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi 00:24, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
Thanks! -- Taral 14:06, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

Congrats!

Hey, Caraamon, congrats on being made admin! I like what you did with {{spell}} and {{item}} templates, automatically adding {{incomplete}} when the infobox is missing certain info, that's nicely coded. I made a few tweaks to {{incomplete}} to make it look better, hope you agree with my choices. --Farman 10:56, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

reply posted on my talk page

Hi Caraamon, I responded to your notice about the style manual on my talk page. --Farman 14:39, 19 April 2008 (CDT)


Alicia Crowther

Hi, I see you've moved the Alicia Crowther article from "Alicia" to "Alicia Crowther". How to name articles has been an ongoing concern for the Elanthiedia which has received much discussion in the past. A while back, however, everybody was able to agree on the first-name-only format (with a few exceptions) enough that it has been entered into the Elanthipedia:Manual_of_Style. Hope that helps. --Basselope 12:59, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

I just noticed the discussion over at Elanthipedia:Manual of Style/new. --Basselope 13:20, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

Template error

It appears that editing one of the templates involved in the Shop templates broke the display for shop pages. Berolt's Dry Goods
-Glimmereyes 08:19, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

I'm trying to fix this. I *think* I know what's going on, but we'll see. I think Caraamon is out of town or at least away from Elanthipedia for a while with RL stuff.--Naeya (talk) 09:07, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
Edit: Nevermind, he made some edits yesterday. I think I'll leave it to him, since it's his baby now! For some reason it's not parsing the {{!}} correctly which is messing up the tables.--Naeya (talk) 09:11, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
Okay, this is why I want to strangle whoever created this wikicode thing..... one freaking lose line called all those problems. sigh. It's fixed. -Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi 11:47, 28 May 2008 (CDT)
You rock, thanks for getting to it so fast! --Naeya (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

Not sure what you did to the spell/enchante templates, but there's a weird line showing up as "type

I know. I am not sure how to fix it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
NOW it's fixed. [mutter] -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 05:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Premium Page

Is there already a Premium page that links to Premium titles, shops, etc? I cannot seem to locate it. If not, I have plans to create one as I've been gathering premium verbs also. --Steph 1520 29 Decemeber 2011 EST

Not that I know of. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 20:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I found an Estate Holder Page. Going to work off that one when I get around to this. :) --Steph 2058 31 December 2011 EST

Site Layout in Firefox 9.0

I have some information about what is causing the left-hand menu to be pushed down in Firefox 9.0. --Isharon 20:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

This is caused by browser sniffing that has been broken in Firefox 9. The property navigator.taintEnabled is no longer supported so the wrong css file gets loaded which sets the margin-left of the div column-content to zero. As a result there is less room for the navigation div which is pushed down.

Sounds like we may need to update stuff. Lemmie see if I can find someone to do that. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I just caught a thread while doing my Mozilla Work, so I actually do know what is causing that, I'll plan to launch AIM and touch base with you this week to figure out if there is a stopgap we can do to fix it short-term, and try to schedule a time/date to do a larger site-maintenance with you. ... Unless you have someone else in mind who can do devote more time here for you. --Callek 18:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Nope, you were the one I had in mind. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 18:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

PC Template

Would you mind adding a status (y/n/r) to indicate whether the PC is active, dead, or retired? Some PCs have been killed off, and their players would like to indicate this in the infobox. Thanks! --Isharon 05:56, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 11:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to be working. In fact, I have grown a weirdness on some PC pages. "Status {{#if: | " I attempted adding this field but it does not result in a normal look to the field, just gives the addition of a letter before the bar |. The forms for PC and the help pages should be updated, also, once this field is working properly. I do not have sufficient access to edit those.  :) --Steph 12:51 PM Wednesday, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
The display is not working correctly. I changed "alive" to "active" (to contrast with retired). Would you consider moving the status line from the top to beneath the "instance" line? Thanks! --Isharon 17:55, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Oops. Fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 20:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! It's working now. --Isharon 20:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Weapon Template

If the weapon template hasn't been updated recently, the damage scale has changed. The correct scale is listed here. --Isharon 20:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The highest damage is no longer called "god-like." Instead, it is "catastrophic." --Isharon 20:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

....well #^^#$^#$. If I update the weapon template, we're going to have issues with slowdowns like before... I think I'll wait on it a week or so. Let the folks finish updating the fest stuff. Remind me in a week if I forget. <mutter> -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 00:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Should be all updated now. Lemmie know if I missed anything. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 11:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

18 stone bola

I'd like to put in an order for one of these. IGN = Felrin I've never edited a wiki, so sorry if this looks sloppy or it's missing things Like a user name. Or the date it was posted. But I'm on eastern time. So lemme know the details, thanks.

Spammers

Are the spam accounts not being made from any common IP addresses? It's possible using admin controls for the website to disable account creation by IP or a range of IP addresses. Just trying to save you admin guys a some trouble. Personally, I want to punch them in the face, even if they are just bots.--Zamara 18:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

We have IP disabling abilities, and we use them. But apparently they have IPs to burn. [shrug] -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 23:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

FYI, FiscusShahan502 and NicolettiRosenberger253 are two spammers that seem to have been missed.--Antendren 12:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding Content

Hey buddy. If you notice some incomplete pages for the Rakash Library, its because I'm in the process of adding the content to the 'pedia --Alexii 14:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Going through the futurepast site and adding old information about the Ghost ship quest to the quest page. In the process of doing it all so don't fret about all the minor updates I'll be putting through. Contact me sometime on IM or my page and talk to me about how to correctly add any items/loot/treasure to the database that wasn't aready here, and how to flag ones that are here correctly if not already done. --Alexii 02:16, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out for any problems. No worries. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Parts and Skins and Templates, Oh My!

Requesting that the critter info template lets us confirm what "types" of stuff a critter has. parts/skins/etc. --TEVESHSZAT 17:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll add it to the list. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 17:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Done. Even set up to handle the eventual addition of bones and organs. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't appear that there's a section to input the weights for the various skin options. Since it hasn't come up, probably not a high priority, but when you have a moment. -Glimmereyes 17:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I was just going to leave that to the Crafting Materials page. Do you see a need for it on the critter page? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 21:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Either add it to the Form, or remove "Skin/Part/etc Weight" it from the Template so it stops nagging me to add it! I'd go with remove from the Template, the info is on the Materials page, don't really need it on a seperate page. -Glimmereyes 22:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I had the weight in the template but not the form, so I probably had a plan for it. Considering I can't remember it, I don't want to just yank it. Weight has been added to the form. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Weapon Requests

I would like to put in an order for the following weapons:

broadsword HE 02- poor 11- great 05- fair 06- decently 07- reasonably 35

throwing hammer HB/HT 00- no 01- dismal 11- great 05- fairly 06- decently 36

marauder blade 2HE M 02- poor 16- v.extreme 05- fair 06- decently 08- soundly 44

My IGN is Eshum. Also had a question about what adding tyrium to these weapons would do to the stats......I have some in the vault so I would provide the materials.

Your stuff has been ready for a while, I can't seem to find you. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 01:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Worn without armor item template bug

The drop down menu says "worn with out armor" but the system itself wants it to say "worn without armor" --TEVESHSZAT 04:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Think I got it, but I wouldn't mind a double check since I don't do much with Forms. -Glimmereyes 04:30, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Form:Critter listing provinces

The Critter form had issues with multi-province creatures (E.G. Rock Troll (1)), it would only allow one province to be selected. If you manually edited the field, subsequent use of the Form would remove the field. I took a stab at changing it from a dropdown to a list and nothing appears to have exploded, but may want to double check when you have a moment. -Glimmereyes 04:48, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Dash redefined?

Did the way dashes work in the editor change? It looks like any list that includes a dash now has the item after the dash become it's own line. As an example, see how loot displayed on the Quelling the Riot page. --TEVESHSZAT 22:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

No, looks like I might have broken the linking template. Hold on. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! --TEVESHSZAT 02:56, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Housing Template

Would it be possible to alter the Housing template to allow multiple Classes and Restriction options. Riverpine has housing for Low and Middle. Raven's Court is restricted to Thieves and Traders. Is there a reason the date from Last Update is a link, or just force of habit? -Glimmereyes 19:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Planned, planned, and ... I'd have to check. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Leather Data

Feel free to copy my data as needed. -Kasrendyr Windrustle

I appreciate it! -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, the shield data should now be fixed. I think it was just the target shield hinderance was off. I also removed the harness and durability columns as they aren't really relevant once the shield is made. I created a new targe and kite shield and added the stats for them as well. Tanned large shields appear to be nerfed now, but I didnt spot any changes to the medium or small shields. I have over 400 appraisal, so I am getting Paladin level reads on the stats.

Rare tag?

First off, awesome idea. That said, is this available to add via template yet? I assume it's generally meant for treasure map prizes, auction items, and high-tier uniques? --TEVESHSZAT 17:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

As it's meant generally to be an advanced user option, my inclination is not to add it to a form. Just add "|rare=true" to the page, within the template variables. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Haralun Partisan?

Hey Caraamon, I know you specialize in weapon making, but wondering if you could pump out a Haralun Partisan if I provided the material? The other thing is would you need the 13 volumes of haralun in one ingot or do you make a special mix? I have no idea how the upper echelons of forging goes with rare metals and special mixes and what not. Shoot me an IM at HealfdeneDR --Healfdene 07:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

critter range set as a number?

Not sure if this was something that broke and was overlooked or not. It shouldn't be set as a number, right? --TEVESHSZAT 06:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

It was supposed to be, but the version change broke how it was suppose to work, and I've been putting off finding a way to fix it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

just a heads up on serrated instructions

Looks like they create gore weapons. --TEVESHSZAT 04:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Or just verby ones. Might have spoke too soon, hah. --TEVESHSZAT 04:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Yep, I've played with one, slightly verby weapons with a damage different distribution than others. I still need to get my hands on the instructions before I can do an accurate comparison.-Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 04:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Weapon request

Like to request a couple of weapons:

  • hunting sword * HE 05- fair 10- v.heavy 06- s.moderate 06- decently 07- reasonably 50
Increase the balance by one at the cost of one suitability, reduce weight by one at cost of impact
  • nightstick * SS M 00- no 03- low 09- heavy 07- reasonably 08- soundly 44
  • kris LE 05- fair 06- s.moderate 02- poor 09- well 04- inadequately 14

I'll check the page back tomorrow if you have any questions.

First off, which character are you, and second, the sword can only be balanced OR honed, not both. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 02:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Caelric is my main, and balanced is what I would choose, then.

They're ready. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 06:46, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


Can I meet you in the Crossing tonight about 10 PM EST? Of not there, wree is best? And evening hours are best for me.
If I'm on, I'm in the Riverhaven forge. I don't wear a gweth though. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 22:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


Pleasure doing business, feel free to delete or keep this page