User talk:CARAAMON

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Bug With Brawling Template

When the puncture/slice/impact type variable is set to No, the page looks like the puncture/slice/impact damage info is missing.

For example: Weapon:Gold elbow spikes

Appraisal:

You are certain that it could do:
no puncture damage increase
quite a bit of slice damage
quite a bit of impact damage

Form Values:

|puncture=none
|puncturetype=Yes
|slice=quite a bit
|slicetype=No
|impact=quite a bit
|impacttype=No

Page says:

Puncture: none

Slice: Unknown

Impact: Unknown

The "Facts about" item box at the bottom is also missing damage stats. --Isharon 00:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yea I know. The problem is that I can't set up the template till I have information on how they relate. Is "quite a bit" better or worse than "some?" -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 00:47, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed it so it will display, but without more information on how brawling weapons compare, I can't do much more. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 01:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there any way that the display could add (increase) when "the damage is the special brawling increase type"? For example:

Puncture: none (increase)

Slice: quite a bit

Impact: quite a bit

--Isharon 15:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! You're the man. --Isharon 21:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Whitelisting URLs (CAPTCHA Bypass)

Is there a way that certain URLs can be added to a whitelist so that contributors don't have to complete a CAPTCHA when these links are posted? Leito brought it to my attention that he has to go through CAPTCHA every time he adds the DFP tag. --Isharon 20:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggested Whitelist

• play.net
• drfuturepast.com
• drplat.com
• drsecrets.com
• elanthia.org
• malific.com
• olwydd.org
• whistlethis.com (character profiler)
• zairius.com

Already on it. Having Callek look into it since I wouldn't really know where to start. It'll be a bit as he's stuck with RL stuff. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Leading Articles (Items)

Currently, a, an, and some are leading articles that are not included in page names or item names. However, other potential articles are not treated consistently. For example, in some items, "a pair of" and "a set of" are treated as leading articles, but in others they are not.

Do you have a full list of leading articles that should be excluded from page names? --Isharon 17:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no idea why people have decided to leave out the "pair of" etc, but I've been too lazy to do anything about it. On one hand, it is part of the item, but on the other hand, it doesn't add much to the info.

What's your opinion? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 19:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Ignoring the amount of work that it would require to make all of these items consistent, I would only count a, an, and some as leading articles. Phrases like "a pair of" are not articles (grammatically speaking); they're quantities. Unless we exclude all "leading quantities" from page names, we'd have to decide which to include and which to exclude, and that would breed inconsistency.

It seems that more of the items that I've looked at omit "pair of" and "set of" than include those terms, so it would be more work to add those terms than remove them. Another issue is that many of the store pages also omit these articles, so it may not be immediately obvious which pages need to be edited. --Isharon 20:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree, include them from now on, and I'll work on updating the old ones where possible. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 20:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Most of that would be from me, based of this post. Category talk:Items#Pairs and Sets?. If memory serves, it was a decision to the achieve the same effect as the List field.-Glimmereyes 21:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Huh, before my time. Interesting. Well, it'll make linking easier... probably. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Template Suggestions

Creature Template

Hey Caraamon, any chance of adding box ranges to creature templates? They would be easier to update if they were listed on the creature page. Would be nice to use them as a variable that would show up in the Box Range lists as well. --Leito 00:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a possibility. Lemmie think about how to best do it. Remind me again if I don't get to it this week. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 02:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Item Template

I think that the item template should have a field that asks whether the item hides any features or items (f=features, i=items, b=both, n=neither). --Isharon 21:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Post Template

I think it would be a good idea to modify the post template so that it automatically includes a link to the forum post. I realize that old posts often disappear, but while they're online, it would be useful to have a link to the original. The post template already contains the information that you need (category, topic, and post number).

The format for a forum link is:

https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=#&topic=#&message=#

--Isharon 19:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It can't currently do that since it currently cannot "process" the folder info. Those would have to be stored in separate fields... assuming there isn't anything odd about trying to format external links. It's possible, but would take a lot of extra work both with the template AND with transferring posts. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 09:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Will there ever be a post query? If so, separating the folders into separate fields might be worthwhile. --Isharon 02:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Considering that I often find info in folders that have NOTHING to do with it, I'm not really sure it would be. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 05:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

That's true, but sometimes you remember which folder a post is in without being able to find the actual post (unless you're willing to scan dozens of pages). --Isharon 18:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Spell Template

With the advent of Magic 3.0, I think that it would be good to add a category for obsolete spells. (Currently, they are listed in planned spells, which is misleading.) --Isharon 16:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Lemmie see if I can set up the template to handle it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 22:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Done, and recategorized. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 23:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Constellation Template

Hi Caraamon,

Any chance the default for not having the "hours in sky" be "all night" or something like that? I ask because hours of night are seasonal dependent, and the constellations with specific hours do not have a varying time.

Thanks, --Hithrael 03:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, I've got an idea. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 10:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

How's that work for ya? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 10:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I think it's in the right direction, but doing something weird. See: Raven_(constellation) --Hithrael 16:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC).

I think I've beaten it into submission. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 22:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks that one one's quashed... I think as a last ask, would the "Visibility" one be able to draw from the dates the constellation is up to provide the season match? --Hithrael 01:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Provide me with the dates which the seasons change, and I can look into it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 01:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

[[1]] --Hithrael 01:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

In theory, it should be done. I haven't had time to fully test it, so let me know if it goes wonky. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 02:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

There seems to be some ambiguity about the "End Date." Are you listing those as the first day they can't be seen, or the last day they can be seen? -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 03:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Start date should be first date visible, end date should be the last date visible.--Hithrael 03:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Good, because that's what the template assumes. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 03:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Moderators

How do you decide who becomes a moderator or not? I think my ~3,000 contributions certainly warrant me for consideration. --Thilan 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Generally, I go, "Huh we need new mods. Lets check the recent activity list. Okay, he/she's been doing a lot of work." If you haven't been asked, it means that I just didn't happen to see you, not that I've decided you aren't good enough (usually). -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 22:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Deletion Requests

Please delete Post:The Big Post of Magic Techniques - 1/29/2011 20:41:38. I forgot the hyphen in the date and didn't realize that it had already been posted. --Isharon 17:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that a person by the name of UliannaMiddleton made an account, posted an article on MCSE, and uploaded a picture about that, all within 1 minute. Looked like a spam bot to me so I edited away the info on the article. If you would please, delete everything else? Dezmis 08:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice catch! -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 09:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Change of Page names

hey chief, a couple of pages i thought could use a name change, and i'm not sure how... 'sky hawk' - are actually called 'giant snow hawk' in Forf (i added the desc and some notes) 'year 400 fireworks' - i think should be called a 'spectacular show' maybe, since that's what it was called when observed in the sky Powerhaus jan 8, 2011

Moved Hawk page after some fumbling. I don't know much about the fireworks so I'll leave that decision to someone else.
-Glimmereyes 05:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I added a redirector for it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 05:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Durability Changes...

Ok, so with durability changes comes new "ranges" in appraisals...

Do we have anything setup that recognizes "Was appraised with old ranges" vs "Was appraised with new ranges" in wiki, if not should we? [2] --Callek 20:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Items not marked with "newapp=yes" get tagged with Template:OldApp. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if this is a result of the new durability changes... but when doing database search/sort, the highest to lowest order goes 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 10, 1. TEVESHSZAT 21:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:44, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you post a link to an example? It doesn't seem to be doing that for me. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

When I sort this page by balance, it does the 9, 8, 7, etc etc etc 10, 1 thing, but ONLY when I do from most to least. When it goes from least to most, it sorts properly. Sorry for the super long and messy URL. It seems owly and bitly etc are all blocked as spam options.

http://elanthipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Ask&offset=0&limit=500&q=[[Category:Weapons]]%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A[[Is+combat+type::Light+Edged]]&p=format%3Dbroadtable&po=%3FPuncture+damage+is%0A%3FSlice+damage+is%0A%3FImpact+damage+is%0A%3FBalance+is%0A%3FSuitedness+is%0A%3FWeight+of%0A|Test TEVESHSZAT 22:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I see it. I suspect it's a bug with the semantic programming, considering how specific it is. I don't think there's anything we can do. I'll do a bit more checking. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 22:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Just wanted to give you a heads up. It's a really specific oddness and I doubt people would often even run into it. TEVESHSZAT 22:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Multiple Shops

I was thinking about this on my ride home from a road trip, would it be easier to use other designations for festival shops that change year to year instead of (1), (2) etc? For example, for Hallow Eve fests, they could be (HE2008), (HE2009). Most fests are able to have a two letter designation, HE, GF, EL(Feast of Eluned), EL2(Feast of Eluned2), etc. then that way, we know which year which shop much easier. Just a thought. --Ysselt 03:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

In general, I would agree, except that it seems that some versions show up at multiple festivals, before they get switched to a new version. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 01:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Sysops

I've named you "lead sysop" even though you've been in that roll for a while now. Please glance over the current admins listed here and let me know who you think we should bump down due to inactivity and let me know if you want to bump any current editors up due to their contributions to the wiki. I trust your judgement.--Naeya ^(talk) 21:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I'm flattered. Thanks for your trust.

Congratulations. You do tons on this site so if anyone deserved it, it's you. TEVESHSZAT 01:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

As for admins, I think we need to drop Farman and Aetherie, as the most recent post by either of them was January 2009. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 00:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Shops by Type subcategory not sorting properly

As the title says, when you get to the lowest level of shops by type everything is bunched together under a single heading based on the level higher. So for example, instead of Magic Shops sorting each shop by the shop's first letter, everything is listed under M for Magic Shops. I checked a few other random subcategories like Shops by Town, etc and they all seem to be working fine.

It may take a bit to repopulate, it but should be fixed now. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 23:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Weapon Search Page

Is there a way to search for weapons that are multiple types, i.e. HT/pike vs. HT/HB or 2HE/HE vs 2HE/2HB? If not can that be added in? Love the feature btw. --Thilan 15:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

You mean items that are both? Hmmm... Lemmie think about how to do it. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 00:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Blacksmithing

Since you are putting so much work into the new blacksmithing pages, I wonder if you could ad something rather important that is missing: What can you actually make? A list of items which can be crafted I think would be highly useful. Russell 18:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Workin on it :P -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 00:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Snow Elf Page

Hey there! Is there any way we could get a player page for the Snow Elf category? I had originally had mine on there (just because there wasn't one) and noticed that there were a couple other PC's under the regular Snow Elf category. --Slecker 17:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and make one. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 18:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Okey dokey --Slecker 18:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Age

I undid your redirect on Age, it created a circular redirect and the page and info became lost. I am not sure which page you wanted the info to be on (Age or Age command) but it ended up on neither with both redirecting to each other. I was scratching my head for awhile trying to find that info that I knew existed before. Go ahead and set it back up how you intended, but I had to undo it for now. Russell 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't paying attention and I didn't notice the Age command redirected to Age. Ooops. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Helping!

I couldn't get the toy sources to link to the treasure box without it displaying oddly. TEVESHSZAT 02:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just make sure to set the source type to "other." That should fix the issue. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 02:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Plat Timeline Differences

There's been an interest to record how IG events worked out differently in Plat than they did in Prime, so both players and GMs are better at remembering all the minor differences that tend to happen. Would you recommend just having people add a "Plat Differences" section where appropriate? TEVESHSZAT 17:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. Knock yourself out. I have 0 issues with that. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 23:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Favicon

Just an FYI, the FAVICON.ICO for elanthipedia doesn't appear to be working in any browser. (Chrome, FF, IE). Possibly missing.

... I don't actually know what that means. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 03:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

It's the icon that appears in the browser for the page/bookmarks for example, the greyish sphere for play.net page, the facebook "f" icon, etc. It looks like Elanthipedia's is missing (it should be at http://elanthipedia.com/favicon.ico according to the source, but it doesn't appear to be there.) VTCifer 12:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll let out tech support guy(s) know. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 13:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Fala Sorgin Title

Found an unlisted title. Fala Sorgin. It is a survival3 title with a ~350 PM requirement and an unknown foraging requirement. It is elvish, which means Forest wizard. I don't know how to put it on the titles list.

Form:Title-Glimmereyes 17:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Change Username

Hello there! Who would one need to speak to about changing one's username? Is that possible?

Let's go with "The Ginger"? Feel free to take the space out if that isn't allowed.
Vien 07:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and create the account and I'll merge them. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 21:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Here we go. The Ginger 01:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The accounts have been merged. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 02:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)