User talk:CARAAMON

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Posts and Scripts

Hmm, I am envisioning placing posts in their own namespace so we don't have to duplicate them across many pages, and actually using semantic-media-wiki to auto-generate a list of posts (with a "more..." link).

Also, I think we can do a better job of segregating scripts. So if we get a Posts: and a Scripts: namespace we can sort this all out a bit better I think. :-) If you agree I'd like to pester Naeya about adding those two new namespaces. (I have a better idea along the Posts side than Scripts side though). --Callek 22:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Ahh I knew there were two namespaces I wanted to use, and Scripts was one thing I've been thinking about, but wasn't actually the namespace I was hoping to ask you about. The other being "Logs". For <cleaned-up> logs of events, meetings, etc. not meant to be the main-wiki articles, but useful for anyone who cares to see the finer details. (Can be copied logs from posts, or players actually posting the logs themselves). Most logs should/could be made eventually into 3'rd party style. --Callek 22:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. Go ahead and bug her....assuming it doesn't break things like last time. Ew. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 23:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you put up a lot of posts. Are you entering them all by hand or is there some wiki thing I'm missing that automatically generates the page? --Maje 21:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

See Form:Post -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 23:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Spell Template

Can you please recheck your work on the spell template? It seems that the categories aren't directing properly since they are using lowercase names when they should be uppercase (i.e. Category:Versus agility Spells instead of Category:Versus Agility Spells. Thanks. --Thilan 16:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the spells aren't being assigned to their respective categories. Soul Sickness, for example, correctly categorizes as a Versus Spirit spell on the bottom of the page, but it isn't being added to Category:Versus Spirit Spells. --Thilan 17:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... it looks like the wiki is being odd again. It doesn't recategorize them till they're edited and saved again (even if there's no change to the edit). -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I've put a note on the Spell Template discussion page, and was wondering if an admin could take a look at it? Regarding a field for PM to Cap. VTCifer 12:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Factbox not showing up for Shadow Web

Ghodbane asked me to fix some of the stuff he thought he broke. I don't know what's wrong, really; I didn't do anything that I imagine fixed Tenebrous Sense, and now I broke Shadow Web, so I'm just confused. Pls take a look. =/ Sorry for the mess. --Diarik 07:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with either page. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 10:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Oy. Neither do I. I am confused. =) Ah well. Devan 16:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes the factboxes don't show up after being moved or otherwise manipulated. Try hitting the refresh page tab (aka purge) since the cache may need wiping. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I did that. Next time, I might try nuking the cache directly, rather than relying on Ctrl+F5. In any case, thanks. -Devan 17:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

He didn't really mean your browser cache, but I can easily see how you were confused there. --Callek 21:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I should note that the "refresh" tab is only admin visible (as far as I recall). --Callek 21:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops. Never noticed that. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 23:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Shield

Having a problem with Template:Shield. There's a couple protection values that you don't have listed as possible values, for instance "very poor" and "rather low". I didn't want to edit the template because you had previously hard-coded values as 0=none, 1=poor, 2=low, etc. and I was afraid adding the new ones would break it. Azhag 00:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Are these values the more specific ones that Paladin's get? Give me a list of what's missing and where each falls in the existing list. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Server Access

A little bird told me you were upset that you don't have server access. Email me and we can discuss this.--Naeya ^(talk) 02:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Server

Hey, do you currently have access to the server? I have a few ideas for additions that would (probably) need to be added as static pages due to limitations in Wiki. Mostly for search related stuffs with semantic MW. (alternative is to host these search pages off of elanthipedia) --Callek 20:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Not yet. However, if you want to give me an idea of what you want, maybe I could suggest a way to do it while you wait. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 20:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Basically a form (or two, or more) to activate the Semantic Search with various parameters. I was thinking of doing it via actual forms, JS, etc. We can't even link to the Semantic form (easily?) with a '+' character, so this makes it much much harder to do so via wiki, and of course I can't include any JS in wiki. Idea's of "Jugglies", "Medium Shields in Zoluren, metal" etc. "not fest." Ideas to utilize Semantic Mediawiki, but still providing a User Friendly way to search useful formats of it. --Callek 22:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

To a certain exent, it could be done via form. Have it edit a specific page, remove the save option (preview would be sufficient). I was thinking of doing it....but I forget why I stopped. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 22:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion doing it as an edit might be confusing for many, and harder to achieve (I don't think the "Semantic Forms" can achieve the ease-of-use I was hoping) But I can look into that and see what I can come up with, and failing everything else, I can create a page for hosting here (or on an external website) --Callek 22:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Incomplete?

What exactly makes a page incomplete and what sort of information needs to be added for it to be complete? This question is mainly in reguard to NPC pages. - Inauri at 0815 EST on 25FEB09

I think i can answer this one, any missing data, location, description, gender, race, ect. --Legeres 16:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, basically you can tell by going down to the semantic factbox at the end and looking for the tag "missing". That should tell you what's missing, OR if it just says something like "Infobox information missing" it means that it hasn't processed things correctly, and you need to edit and save without changing anything.

Basically, we set up the template to check and see if the missing tag is present and if it is, display the incomplete tag. However, it doesn't check the page itself, it checks the server database of everything that has a missing tag. But it only seems to check when you SAVE the page, so if the database hasn't been updated to show no missing tags by the time you save it (like sometimes right after you complete a form), it will still think the page is incomplete.

I hope that makes sense. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

FoundInProvince

Hey, can you try and muck with Template:FoundInProvince I can't seem to get it to work right, I have a few ideas on getting this all working nice. (I'm at work so have to take a break from that)--Callek 18:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I can't even figure out what you were trying to do. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 06:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Create a template where I can pass in a page name, where it then extracts all "Found in" properties from the page, and only displays them if said page is in Category:Provinces --Callek 13:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, check back and look what I did. I had to use 3 templates to do it, so it's not pretty, but is that what you wanted? -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 22:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Basically yes, but I was hoping to use this for things like "Cities" etc. as well (which I suppose we can do this all manually for list, as it doesn't change too often). But what does concern me is the added "," at the end of that list, which is why I was trying to limit the actual list of places. And actually it fails... see the page now --Callek 00:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Err yes it "works right" but doesn't have any semblance of actually removing blank entries! --Callek 00:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Tada!-Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 00:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Utter Cheer! --Callek 00:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

GYAH page seems messed up now for the single-province case... see my latest changes :( --Callek 00:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Briefly interupted your work, but fixed a bug :-) See recent changes... --Callek 01:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you added one. :P -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 01:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Huh no, you had "#switch|" I made it "#switch:|" (though of course, I missed the one extra bug which you fixed, that extra |) --Callek 01:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, so I added two bugs, and you only fixed one. Hah! I win. I think. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 01:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes you win, but only because you found a way to actually do this!!! --Callek 01:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I am the Template King -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 01:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Character

ya need a character page now, and gotta list yerself as an author!! :-) --Callek 04:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

speaking of characters what's up with the Issus one? some sort of inside joke(i'm hoping, cause it doesn't seem to fit)?--Legeres 16:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Probably an inside joke. If he doesn't object, meh. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Factboxes

Any thoughts/solutions to factbox issue(s)? I'm really really missing them, and want things working as they were. --Callek 03:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Working on it. It's not going to be easy. I don't know, Naeya doesn't know. And I don't have a huge amount of time to spend on it till Thursday. We'll see. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I finally had time to look into this, and VOILA!

{QUOTE}[1.3] Since SMW 1.3, the Factbox is hidden by default and will only appear. As a compensation, the toolbox (usually on the left below the search field) shows a link to Special:Browse. To use the display behaviour of the Factbox as it was before SMW 1.3, set $smwgShowFactbox = SMW_FACTBOX_NONEMPTY; The new link and the Factbox during editing can also be configured; see SMW_Settings.php for details. {/QUOTE}

Source: [1]

Now lets get this fixed (please)! --Callek 16:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that was the first thing I checked. It's set correctly. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 19:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Activity

I think you'll have noticed I've not done anything around here lately. Been massively busy in personal life. (may even suspend DR for a bit). I do plan on looking into what I can figure out re: factboxes fairly soon, but no ETA (can do that with or without DR of course). But just wanted to give you a heads up on that. I'll poke ya when I'm back to actively watching --Callek 05:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Favor Orbs

I just happen to be passing by, and noticed your change there... I seemed to recall "will NOT leak" being said by a GM, where did you hear that they DO? --Callek 03:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Because I just experienced it. Filled an orb up, waited a couple days. Found it was no longer full. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you gather MORE THAN ONE orb at a time? Did you gain any exp (ranks), did you circle, did you die, did you activate another orb, did you change any stats? --Callek 03:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Basically I had read that they do not leak, but the amount of "bits" needed to fill [x] favor with certain stats can potentially change. So once you commit exp to the orb, said exp won't go away. --Callek 03:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Either individual ranks matter, or it leaks. No circles gained, 3 or 4 ranks gained, no stats trained, no deaths. Had 2 orbs, gotten at the same time, filled at the same time. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

...Had 2 orbs... Did the FIRST of those two leak, or the second? (as in, did the very first one you attempted to get a favor with, actually give you said favor, or did the very first one you did that with "leak")? --Callek 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

No idea which one it was, they were both full. Grabbed one, tossed it on the altar, didn't give me a favor, so I had to rub it once before tossing it back on. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

So to be perfectly clear, steps to reproduce: grab 2 favors; fill both; wait a few days (gain a few ranks); DO NOT: circle, die, place any orb on altar, or raise any stats; Place ONE of your two current (filled) orbs on altar; get message that you need to rub again? --Callek 03:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, guess I'll be hunting for that GM post/thread one of these days. --Callek 03:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Kraelyst's Site

Hey, I posted this both on the BOAT discussion page and the SCRIPT discussion page, but I want to make sure it's noted. Kraelyst's site is dead - they haven't played for at least 2 years now. I know 1. the travel scripts are pretty large and may or may not fit on an Elanthipedia page, but I think they should definitely be archived somewhere. The links on the script page currently don't work. Most everything appears to be saved right now on ARCHIVE.ORG. 2. The boat information needs to be copied over and placed on the boat page. I put the FAQ in the discussion page, but it's huge. The ship travel scripts should also be archived - they're generally smaller and shouldn't be an issue. However, I'm not as wiki-savvy as most people, so I didn't want to attempt moving them. I didn't add the FAQ to the main BOAT page simply because it's HUGE and doesn't seem like it should all be on one page. Anyway - I wanted to let you know so you, as a moderator were aware of the status of www.lurksponge.com - thanks! --Ysselt 20:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Elven ring in glittering metal egg

I have this ring and am willing to put the information up for it, but what's the best way to do it? I turns into 5-10 different things each looking different. I'm not the best with item pages, so I could just post all the data and let you figure it out. ;) --Choson 20:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Blood Stanch Change

What did you mean by "precasting will not prevent bleeding from new bleeders, and does not teach. Only a cast after a bleeder is received is effective" in the blood staunching article? That sentence is confusing to me, and seems to imply that pre-casting blood staunching will not prevent vitality loss from bleeding wounds received while the spell is in effect but has not actually "kicked in." This is directly counter to my experiences with the spell. I've added a demo/explanation to the talk page of that article so we can try to clear this up. Prime-Lorzelophia 13:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Evil SMW

Have you come any closer to discovering why the SMW is still being impossible? --Naeya ^(talk) 19:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sigh, no. I've contacted the Sourceforge help mailing list, and gotten "wow that's odd, no idea." I also talked to some other people who run semantic wiki on their sites, no luck. I'm tempted to just wipe and reinstall everything, but I'm not going to do that without a much better understanding of software and a certainty we wouldn't lose any pages. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi^(talk) 18:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Demon

Give me a few days on this one; it requires a bit of delving into some old logs and whatnot of mine to confirm a few suspicions. I do not think elementals or Plane of Probability spirits are regarded as demons except in the most casual (incorrect) lay-person sense, and I'll be able to qualify that if I get some research to back it up. Reene 01:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

FORM- NPC

Form appears to be busted; get the following error when I enter a name in the box and hit Add Page. * Error: no form page was found at Form:NPC. * Thanks --Ysselt 14:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sandbagging Article

I don't believe the article Sandbagging is appropriate for Elanthipedia. Could you or another moderator take a look and make a ruling? Thanks! --Foresee 02:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Bandage Command

The "Bandage Command is not real, and as far as I know has no applications of use. I think someone was confusing it with Tend Command, as this was changed sometime around 2000. Bandage does not work anymore, though it is still listed on the play.net site. Could you delete the page or tell me how to mark things for deletion (I forgot the tag)? Thanks. --Zamara 20:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

use Template:DeletePage to flag a page for deletion
-Glimmereyes 01:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorta still here

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I have not dropped off the face of the earth... err elanthia just yet. I presently have no net at home, which is why I've also not been connecting to DR (or here). Just catching up on forum announcements now as I do from time to time. whenever I get able to sign back up to DR i'll be sure to let you know here. --Callek 00:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)