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==Weapon Template Error==
==Guildfest 401==


The damage template is missing "demolishing." Example: {{ilink|w|massive kertig maul with gnarled smokewood haft}}<br>
Would you mind adding [[Guildfest 401]] to the "Improvement Drive" section of the home page? Thanks!----[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 08:54, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
<br>
:The current drive section lists "Guildfest 401" in May '''2010'''. This should be changed to May '''2011'''. ----[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 17:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Damage scale: [[Appraisal_skill#Weapons]]


==Template:ItemProperties==
==Template Request: Material Properties==


Etherian has been working on an [https://drservice.info/static/alterationbuddy.htm Alteration Buddy], and we were thinking it would be extremely helpful for those designing alterations to be able to query for certain "fluff" properties of materials. This would best be accomplished by making a "Material Properties: template with the following fields:
When you select "writing" as the item type, nothing appears in the completed item. I think it should say something like "This item is a writing implement or something that can be written on." --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 05:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
: Turns out that's cause I hadn't added support for it. Huh, I wonder why. Anyways, fixed. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 09:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
::Any way you could add something for "anatomy chart?" It's a listed property, but the completed item doesn't say what it is if you use it. See, e.g., [[Item:Silverfish anatomy chart]]. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 06:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I could, but at this point, I'd actually be inclined to remove that option. It doesn't seem like they're variable enough in form to need to have their own tag. In fact, I suspect I might have removed it from the template and forgot to remove it from the form and property. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 07:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


Using '''-''' for any field would set the value to ''none''.
==Post Form==


*'''Material Name''': same as page name unless otherwise specified
I have no idea why, but every time I try to create or edit a post with the form, I get the following error: --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 18:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)<br>
<blockquote>'''Fatal error''': Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in '''/home/khodges/public_html/w/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc''' on line '''291'''</blockquote>
: Fixed. Oops. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 04:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


*'''Category''': drop-down menu with the following options:
==Item Template: Read==
::bone/horn‎, fabric‎, flower/plant, gem, leather‎, metal, shell, stone‎, wood, or other


*'''Type of''': if the material is considered a sub-type, variation, or alloy of another material, such as moonsilver (silver), steelsilk (silk), glacier emerald (emerald), etc.
It would be nice if there were a dedicated field for item reads. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::''This should be treated as N/A if blank.''
:The default (-) value would be ''There is nothing there to read.'' --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: It could be done, but that seems like it might just be another step to template overload. Do you really see a huge need for it? -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 04:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It would just make it easier to generate forms (especially by script). --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 04:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Mmmmmm, lemmie see. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 04:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::(The main issue with my [[Elanthipedia Items (script)|Elanthipedia Items script]] is that the look ends at the end of the line, and reads are on a separate line. I can't capture that with one regular expression.) --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 04:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


Note: I know there are existing [[:Category:Materials|category tags]] for the above two options. think it would ultimately be better to move the page categorization from the manual category tags to the template. I am happy to do this work once the template is set up.
==Ampersands in Post Page Names==


*'''Description''': I would move the official description of the material from free text to the template
How should we handle post titles that contain the ampersand (&)? It seems to be cutting off everything after the ampersand. For example, [[Post:Crossbows & Tinkering - 4/30/2011 - 8:32:54]]. (See how it redirects from [[Post:Crossbows]].) --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 22:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
: It has to do with the & being used as a control character by the wiki in addresses. If necessary, just replace it with "and." -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 00:00, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


*'''Required for Alterations''': drop-down (yes or no)
==Shield Template Bug==
::''This should be flagged as unknown if blank.''


*'''Color''': if the material has an inherent or default color, drop-down menu with the following options:
The shield form is missing at least one value (incredible). Here is the shield appraisal scale:
::red/pink, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, neutral (white/black/grey), multicolored, or none (if the material has no inherent color)
#very poor
#poor
#rather low
#low
#fair
#better than fair
#moderate
#moderately good
#good
#very good
#high
#very high
#great
#very great
#impressive
#very impressive
#tremendous
#'''incredible'''
#god-like
--[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 22:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
: Fixed. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::I see the option in the shield form, but on the [[Shield:Crescent-shaped steel tower shield embossed with a horn-of-plenty and a cluster of ripe red grapes|finished shield page]], it shows up as "''Unknown'' protection." --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 01:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::: Okay, now it's fixed. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 07:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Now "incredible" is showing up as "Tremendous (10/11) protection." (See above item.) --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 08:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::::: No it doesn't. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 08:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::It's showing up as incredible now, but is there a reason that the Paladin-only values aren't considered part of the scale? Incredible should be 18/19, not 10/11. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 18:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::: Because the vast majority of shields are not paladin appraised, and I want them to still be as accurate as possible when attempting comparisons. For example, if you tried to find all shields better or equal to a paladin level, it would miss many of the shields that were actually that, but not listed as such. Thus, the Paladin more specific appraisals are the same rank as the value a normal person (no, Paladin's aren't normal) would appraise it at. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 00:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


*'''Gives light''': drop-down menu (yes or no). When altering an item, the item cannot give off light unless it is made of a material that gives off light, such as moonsilver. I have found myself searching for materials with this property to match a design.
==Reference Tag Bug?==
::''Because light is a rare property, this value should be presumed no if blank.''


*'''Race association''': drop-down menu with the following options:
When I use the <nowiki>{{RefAl}}</nowiki> tag, something is wrong with the formatting. The "Related Forum Posts" and "Also See" sections are not recognized as headers. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 18:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::none, Dwarf, Elf, Elothean, Gnome, Gor'Tog, Halfling, Human, Kaldar/Gorbesh, Prydaen, Rakash, or S'Kra Mur
: I know, and I've been trying to figure out why. Gimmie a bit. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::''Because race associations are rare, this value should be presumed none if blank.''
: Fixed. I know what I had to do to fix it, but I don't know why it had to be done. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 10:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


*'''Guild association''': drop-down menu with the following options:
==Item Template: Fest Items==
::none, Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Empath, Moon Mage, Necromancer, Paladin, Ranger, Thief, Trader, or Warrior Mage
:::''Because guild associations are rare, this value should be presumed none if blank.''


*'''God association''': drop-down menu with the following options:
Does the item template still support the fest= tag, and should we be filling that out? It's not in the form when you click "create/edit with form." --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 22:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::none, Chadatru, Rutilor, Botolf, Damaris, Phelim, Dergati, Eluned, Lemicus, Drogor, Everild, Kuniyo, Trothfang, Faenella, Murrula, Idon, Glythtide, Saemaus, Be'ort, Hav'roth, Peri'el, Ushnish, Hodierna, Berengaria, Asketi, Kertigen, Divyaush, Zachriedek, Meraud, Firulf, Kerenhappuch, Tamsine, Albreda, Harawep, Truffenyi, Alamhif, Huldah, Urrem'tier, Eylhaar, Aldauth, Rakash god(s), Prydaen god(s), Alaudian/Gorbesh god(s), Gnomish god(s), or other
: Nope, it's superceded by the rare= tag. Thought, it technically will work, since I didn't want to have to track down the ones I'd tagged fest. I also, more or less meant it as an advanced option... though that doesn't seem so smart now that I think about it. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 09:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::''Because god associations are rare, this value should be presumed none if blank.''
::If you still want us to flag things as rare (fest, auction, etc.), can you add a rare field to the "create/edit with form" option to the weapon, shield, armor, and item pages? (This field is useful if you're using the query pages.) I think that the main reason that it hasn't been added to more items is that people don't know that the information is requested. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 18:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::: Rareness is automatically populated for festival store weapons as long as the source store is set as a festival store. That field is reserved for odd source equipment, such as auctions or quest which the system doesn't understand. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Is rare automatically set to ''no'' for items whose source is set to a permanent shop? --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 22:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::::: It SHOULD be, but I'm not sure if it is. I don't remember whether I figured out an easy way to do it. I'll check when I have a moment. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 22:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


I would adapt the [[Elanthipedia:Manual_of_Style/Items|Manual of Style]] standards for items for use with materials.
==Item label typo==
wondering if you could fix a 'louded glass tincture jar painted with a skull and crossbones' to a 'clouded...' one
4/3/2011 powerhaus


Thanks! --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 21:58, 26 September 2017 (CDT)
==Play.net Posts==


==Templates==
Thanks for catching my timestamp errors. (I know that midnight is hour 0, but for some reason I forgot when I posted the dragon posts.) --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 05:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
: S'what I do! :P -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 05:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


Something is wrong with the armor template, where it's flagged as cambrinth, but the max charge isn't displaying. E.g., {{ilink|a|dark glaes armor inlaid with complex cambrinth designs}} --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 20:08, 28 January 2017 (CST)
==Spell Template==
: Fixed! -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 20:49, 31 January 2017 (CST)


== Crafting material pages ==
Can there be an option to designate something as a [[metaspell]] (for [[Magic 3.0]])? --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 08:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
:On second thought, perhaps a separate metaspell template would be better.--[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 08:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


So I thought I was making up the BONE item pages the same as how you'd made up the METAL item pages, but now I see you're starting to do re-directs on them to other page names. First off, sorry! Guess I should have just done one and gotten you to look it over first. So, with that in mind, do you want to go ahead and do the first leather item up (right now, looks like Antelope skin), so I have a template to do the other leather items that way too so that you won't have to go back and fiddle them later? Not trying to make more work for you...:) --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 14:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
==Bug With Brawling Template==
: Actually, I'm still testing it, trying to find the way that makes the most sense. Metals and stones are fairly simple, as they always are obvious what they are. Skin and bones isn't always quite so straightforward. I list them in stack form for a couple reasons:
::# So people can easily match what's in their pack to crafting stats.
::# Because some skin/bones we can't actually attribute to a specific creature yet or come from multiple creatures.
::# Because some skin/bones is very oddly named.
::# Because some similarly named items might end up being very different (Snow Goblin bones might end up different than Elven Pixie Forest and Plains Goblin bones) and so having a Goblin Bone page could cause issues.
: That being said, this is a wiki and not my personal little fiefdom, so if you think you have a better way to do it, PLEASE give it a shot. I watch all the changes on the site (or at least try), so even if I disagree and change it, some part of your idea may end up being far better. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 19:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::You may not claim the title, but we all know: You're king of the Elanthipedia Kingdom...:).
:::So, on the stack vs. no-stack thing, I see where you're coming from. But, on the flip side of that, if you're looking to match what is in a pack, why not lumium shard or silk cloth or onyx rock? I mean, the only thing you can (currently) pick up from it's name is a prepared healing herb (ie. crushed belradi moss becomes crushed belradi), everything else you see as a "cloth" or an "ingot" or whatever. (not trying to be difficult here, but seems like the other materials already have their "qualifier" stripped off, so why not with Bone & Leather too).
:::And, we do already have Goblin Bone and Pale Goblin Bone (thanks to [[Antendren]] checking a snow goblin question I had) so I do suspect that if the GM's release something from 2 similar creatures, they will give it a separate name. Hopefully. Probably. Maybe.
:::At the end of the day, I don't really care how we proceed with this, I'm happy to help populate everything. --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 00:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::And because I'm just itching to do something with this tonight it seems, I have been playing around with [[Caracal-pelt Leather]], including the base pelt and made a test table under the COMMON LEATHER section on the Crafting Materials page. Let me know what you think, make changes, etc. Thanks! --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 03:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::: Perfect! -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 06:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::ugh, sorry I didn't get all those leather crafting supplies finished up yet but I did guilt Anuind into getting me samples of all the remaining common leather skins and have them tanned. So, I am (hoping!) to finish that up this coming weekend. That being said, I'd posted on the forums, and will add this to the "crafting feedback" page too, but since there are currently 2 common skins that turn into "some azure-scale leather", each with different stats, should I go ahead and make "some azure-scale leather (1)" and "some azure-scale leather (2)", and a master "disambig" page like this link for both?
:::http://www.elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Weapon:Black-bladed_bastard_sword_with_a_silver_gryphon_atop_the_cross-guard
::--[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 06:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Works for me. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 12:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Ugh, looks like some red-links are still on the crafting materials page from the server transfer. Also, there are some naming things going on when you look at the [[Crafting Materials#Rare Leather]], sometimes it is an ''item'' other times it is just a page. I don't think I'll be re-visiting this in the near future, however if you want to let me know the page naming standard you want for things, if it hasn't been done by the time I motivate, I'll be happy to go through and standardize and follow-up on the red-links. --[[Kythryn]] 15:33, 25 January 2015 (CST)


== Hib Barbarian shop ==
When the puncture/slice/impact type variable is set to No, the page looks like the puncture/slice/impact damage info is missing.


Heya! I'm updating some of the Hib stuff, and in the Barbarian guild, there is a door that looks like is Barb-only and it looks to be a shop.
For example: [[Weapon:Gold elbow spikes]]
:>look door
:Polished into the brushed bronze of the door are letters that spell out, "Kvaren's".
:It is open.
:>go doo
:A large hand reaches out from behind the curtain and blocks your entrance. A burly guard mutters to you, "Just where, do you think yer goin? This shop is fer members of the Guild only."
I don't know how often you get out of Crossing, but if you're ever out this way, or you know a Barb in the area, might have them pop over and document the stuff? From the street, go boulder, go door, go grey arch, east, SE, east. That puts you in the room to GO DOOR to the shop. --[[Kythryn]] 16:06, 31 January 2015 (CST)


Don't know if this has been answered yet but as I'm in Hibarnhvidor I decided to check this out. Here is the room inside the door and contents of shop. --[[Rhadyn]] 22 January 2016
Appraisal:
<blockquote>
You are certain that it could do:<br>
no puncture damage ''increase''<br>
quite a bit of slice damage<br>
quite a bit of impact damage
</blockquote>


[Elding Gwilt, Kvaren's]
Form Values:
There is little space to move about in this cramped shop. The bronze door opens inward, guiding customers straight to a display counter, while not making maneuvering any easier. To the left of the the counter, a number of axes have been placed on display on a rack. Adding to the clutter of the establishment, a small shelf hangs above a stout table, each showing off their own wares.
<blockquote>
Obvious exits: none.
|puncture=none<br>
|puncturetype=Yes<br>
|slice=quite a bit<br>
|slicetype=No<br>
|impact=quite a bit<br>
|impacttype=No<br>
</blockquote>


On the display counter you see a small iron axe bearded with bright steel, an oak-hafted hurling axe with a wide steel blade inlaid with gold tracings, a slender steel throwing axe with a white leather-wrapped haft, a heavy bronze hurling axe with a river boa-shaped haft, a short-hafted hand axe with a dragon-engraved blade, a small axe with faint engravings along its length and a light bronze throwing axe with a grass eel-shaped haft.
Page says:
<blockquote>'''Puncture:''' none<br>
'''Slice:''' ''Unknown''<br>
'''Impact:''' ''Unknown''</blockquote>
<br>
The "Facts about" item box at the bottom is also missing damage stats. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 00:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
: Yea I know. The problem is that I can't set up the template till I have information on how they relate. Is "quite a bit" better or worse than "some?" -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 00:47, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
: I've fixed it so it will display, but without more information on how brawling weapons compare, I can't do much more. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 01:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks. Is there any way that the display could add (increase) when "the damage is the special brawling increase type"? For example:


On the axe rack you see a dark ironwood-hafted axe with a cruelly serrated head, a hand axe with an iron-banded handle, a smoke grey lochaber axe with a mottled steel head, a flint-bladed axe with a lengthened handle, an elm-handled battle axe topped by a grinning steel wolfshead, a black iron axe with a maple handle wrapped in thin leather cording, a twohanded war axe with a skull-shaped pommel, a crescent-bladed war axe engraved with a flame pattern, a goldenoak-hafted battle axe with a shining silvered blade and a sleek lochaber axe with a razored edge.
<blockquote>'''Puncture''': none (increase)<br>
'''Slice''': quite a bit<br>
'''Impact''': quite a bit</blockquote> --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 15:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
: Sure. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
: Done. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks! You're the man. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 21:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


On the small shelf you see a dented flask, a leather flask, a hammered brass flask, an engraved flask and a wooden flask.
==Whitelisting URLs (CAPTCHA Bypass)==


On the stout table you see a bronze paintstick, a cobalt blue paintstick, a leaf-green paintstick, a note, a blood-red paintstick, a purple paintstick, a gold paintstick, a maroon paintstick and a black paintstick.
Is there a way that certain URLs can be added to a whitelist so that contributors don't have to complete a CAPTCHA when these links are posted? [[User:Leito|Leito]] brought it to my attention that he has to go through CAPTCHA every time he adds the DFP tag. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 20:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


'''Suggested Whitelist'''
*play.net
*drfuturepast.com
*drplat.com
*drsecrets.com
*elanthia.org
*malific.com
*olwydd.org
*whistlethis.com (character profiler)
*zairius.com
: Already on it. Having Callek look into it since I wouldn't really know where to start. It'll be a bit as he's stuck with RL stuff. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


== Unable to upload files ==
==Leading Articles (Items)==


Any file type I attempt to upload, I receive the following error:
Currently, ''a'', ''an'', and ''some'' are leading articles that are not included in page names or item names. However, other potential articles are not treated consistently. For example, in some items, "a pair of" and "a set of" are treated as leading articles, but in others they are not.<br>

<br>
The file is a corrupt or otherwise unreadable ZIP file. It cannot be properly checked for security.
Do you have a full list of leading articles that should be excluded from page names? --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 17:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

: To be honest, I have no idea why people have decided to leave out the "pair of" etc, but I've been too lazy to do anything about it. On one hand, it is part of the item, but on the other hand, it doesn't add much to the info.
I have tried sfhunter.txt, odt, and docx. I uploaded a new version in November and have made some fixes I need to get uploaded.
: What's your opinion? -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 19:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

::Ignoring the amount of work that it would require to make all of these items consistent, I would only count ''a'', ''an'', and ''some'' as leading articles. Phrases like "a pair of" are not articles (grammatically speaking); they're quantities. Unless we exclude all "leading quantities" from page names, we'd have to decide which to include and which to exclude, and that would breed inconsistency.<br>
When you can please take a look.
::It seems that more of the items that I've looked at omit "pair of" and "set of" than include those terms, so it would be more work to add those terms than remove them. Another issue is that many of the store pages also omit these articles, so it may not be immediately obvious which pages need to be edited. --[[User:Isharon|Isharon]] 20:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

:::I agree, include them from now on, and I'll work on updating the old ones where possible. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 20:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
--[[User:DARKANGELX|DARKANGELX]] ([[User talk:DARKANGELX|talk]]) 22:34, 5 December 2015 (CST)
::::Most of that would be from me, based of this post. [[Category talk:Items#Pairs and Sets?]]. If memory serves, it was a decision to the achieve the same effect as the List field.-[[User:Glimmereyes|Glimmereyes]] 21:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

:::::Huh, before my time. Interesting. Well, it'll make linking easier... probably. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:49, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
URL https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/SFhunter_(script)

: Let me see what I can do. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 21:29, 6 December 2015 (CST)

I'm having this problem with image files too, FWIW. It's saying the MIME type is wrong but I've checked the headers and they seem to be totally fine. Tried this with both PNGs and JPGs. [[User:THAYET|-- Thayet]] ([[User talk:THAYET|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2015 (CST)

== Adding TOC to player template card ==

Hey Caraamon! Having a Table of Contents and a Player Template Card on the same page was bugging me, so I wanted to take a shot at combining the two. See it in action on [[Uzmam]]'s page. [[User:ABSOLON|Absolon]] also helped out by making it a y/n toggle. I also took the left hand padding from the TOC, changed it into a margin, and adding it to the player template as a whole, giving some space between the main body copy and the player template card.

If you like how it works (and if it doesn't break anything!), we can flow it into the default templates for PCs and NPCs. Maybe even shops, who knows! --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 22:33, 13 January 2016 (CST)


== Title redirect / caching issue? ==
Ok I came across a weird issue in regards to titles. Take the title "Shadowmancer" for example. If you go to the [[Title:Shadowmancer]] title page everything is right. If you click on the discussion tab in [[Title:Shadowmancer]] or directly go to [[Shadowmancer]] which redirects to [[Title:Shadowmancer]] you see some old cached version of the page (which you can't edit, when you try to you edit the current version, not this cached version). Now oddly if while on that bad cached page, you click the "(Redirected from Shadowmancer)" link, it takes you back to [[Shadowmancer]], and then when you manually click the redirect link, it takes you to the correct [[Title:Shadowmancer]]. Not sure really what is going on here. Sorry if that is a bit confusing but hopefully it's detailed enough.

Also as an aside question, for updating titles, the article obsolete stub says "Some of these requirements have not been updated to 3.0. These requirements are italicized." I add the new=yes field to a title when I know all the reqs are updated and it gets rid of the "This article is obsolete" stub, but I'm not sure how to make updated reqs be non italicized (though I guess once the stub is removed it doesn't really matter if they are italicized or not?). -[[User:SYDNEE|SYDNEE]] ([[User talk:SYDNEE|talk]]) 14:20, 13 February 2016 (CST)
: Unfortunately, that's an odd bug that is not something we can fix. I'm not sure exactly what causes it, but we have a bunch of similar bugs having to do with missing discussion pages.
: To deitalicize a requirement, put "newreq=y" somewhere in the requirement. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 00:58, 15 February 2016 (CST)

== Standard editor permissions ==
Moved to [[Elanthipedia Bugs]].


==Favicon==
== Retiring ==


Hey Caraamon, feel free to demote my account's editing rights. I have left DragonRealms and my account deactivates tomorrow, so I will not be active on the wiki any more.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 16:26, 28 September 2016 (CDT)
Just an FYI, the FAVICON.ICO for elanthipedia doesn't appear to be working in any browser. (Chrome, FF, IE). Possibly missing.
: ... I don't actually know what that means. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 03:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
::It's the icon that appears in the browser for the page/bookmarks for example, the greyish sphere for play.net page, the facebook "f" icon, etc. It looks like Elanthipedia's is missing (it should be at http://elanthipedia.com/favicon.ico according to the source, but it doesn't appear to be there.) [[User:VTCifer|VTCifer]] 12:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I'll let out tech support guy(s) know. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 13:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure you guys have looked at it at all or anything, but for a few months, I've noticed that the Favicons for elanthipdia, the Theren Guard page, and Ranik Maps(Which is just a quick link to the maps on here) haven't been working on either Chrome or Firefox. It's only in the bookmarks bar, because on the URL I can see it just fine. "Stand Like a Rokk" 19:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


== grammar issue with juggling items ==
==Fala Sorgin Title==


"This item is trains a skill with its use." is what they say right now, I'd change it myself but not sure how/where. Should be something like 'Trains perception with use.' or if its generic with other skill building items 'Trains a skill with its use.' --[[User:LEGERES|Legeres]] ([[User talk:LEGERES|talk]]) 17:14, 14 November 2016 (CST)
Found an unlisted title. Fala Sorgin. It is a survival3 title with a ~350 PM requirement and an unknown foraging requirement. It is elvish, which means Forest wizard. I don't know how to put it on the titles list.
: It is shared with several other tags. And right now with things as unstable as they are, I'd rather not edit a template that is used by so many pages. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 22:01, 17 November 2016 (CST)
:[[Form:Title]]-[[User:Glimmereyes|Glimmereyes]] 17:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


== Character Page not showing up in categories, Unable to create User Page ==
== Change Username ==
I hope this is the right place to post this.


I created a page for my character [[Enalen]] a couple days ago. It's been added to the proper categories via the PC template, and they are linked at the end of the page so that seems to be working fine. But when you go to any of those categories, her page isn't actually filed under them. Also I added an image to the database and put it on the page. It displays properly on the character page but when you look at the image's info page, it claims nothing links to it.
Hello there! Who would one need to speak to about changing one's username? Is that possible?
:Unfortunately, category pages take a while to populate. If the recent Chris' Mass shop category page is any indication, this should happen automatically within a week. By the way, please only use the actual race name (for example, Elf), not clans, in the race field. I added a category at the bottom to categorize your page as a player River Elf. --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 18:13, 7 January 2017 (CST)
::Go ahead and create the account and I'll merge them. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 21:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Here we go. [[User:The Ginger|The Ginger]] 01:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
::::The accounts have been merged. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 02:00, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::Thank you! -[[User:The Ginger|The Ginger]] 02:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


On top of those two things, I'm unable to create my own user page. When I click my Username and click create, I am sent to a blank page with nothing on it. The create page shows up fine when clicking any other red link though. Are these bugs? Or are they some of the functions that were broken by the update mentioned? -- [[User:DOOMKITTY|DOOMKITTY]] ([[User talk:DOOMKITTY|talk]]) 05:42, 3 January 2017 (CST)
== Tagging ==
:This is a bug. I will report it to staff. --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 18:13, 7 January 2017 (CST)


== Still Around? ==
Is there a list somewhere of tags that we should use in articles (e.g. race association, event, categories)?


Hey Caraamon are you still around?
Thanks, --[[User:Hithrael|Hithrael]] 19:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
: [[:Category:Manual Properties]]. Lemmie set it up first. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]])</sup> 19:56, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Weapon Template Error

The damage template is missing "demolishing." Example: massive kertig maul with gnarled smokewood haft

Damage scale: Appraisal_skill#Weapons

Template Request: Material Properties

Etherian has been working on an Alteration Buddy, and we were thinking it would be extremely helpful for those designing alterations to be able to query for certain "fluff" properties of materials. This would best be accomplished by making a "Material Properties: template with the following fields:

Using - for any field would set the value to none.

  • Material Name: same as page name unless otherwise specified
  • Category: drop-down menu with the following options:
bone/horn‎, fabric‎, flower/plant, gem, leather‎, metal, shell, stone‎, wood, or other
  • Type of: if the material is considered a sub-type, variation, or alloy of another material, such as moonsilver (silver), steelsilk (silk), glacier emerald (emerald), etc.
This should be treated as N/A if blank.

Note: I know there are existing category tags for the above two options. think it would ultimately be better to move the page categorization from the manual category tags to the template. I am happy to do this work once the template is set up.

  • Description: I would move the official description of the material from free text to the template
  • Required for Alterations: drop-down (yes or no)
This should be flagged as unknown if blank.
  • Color: if the material has an inherent or default color, drop-down menu with the following options:
red/pink, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, neutral (white/black/grey), multicolored, or none (if the material has no inherent color)
  • Gives light: drop-down menu (yes or no). When altering an item, the item cannot give off light unless it is made of a material that gives off light, such as moonsilver. I have found myself searching for materials with this property to match a design.
Because light is a rare property, this value should be presumed no if blank.
  • Race association: drop-down menu with the following options:
none, Dwarf, Elf, Elothean, Gnome, Gor'Tog, Halfling, Human, Kaldar/Gorbesh, Prydaen, Rakash, or S'Kra Mur
Because race associations are rare, this value should be presumed none if blank.
  • Guild association: drop-down menu with the following options:
none, Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Empath, Moon Mage, Necromancer, Paladin, Ranger, Thief, Trader, or Warrior Mage
Because guild associations are rare, this value should be presumed none if blank.
  • God association: drop-down menu with the following options:
none, Chadatru, Rutilor, Botolf, Damaris, Phelim, Dergati, Eluned, Lemicus, Drogor, Everild, Kuniyo, Trothfang, Faenella, Murrula, Idon, Glythtide, Saemaus, Be'ort, Hav'roth, Peri'el, Ushnish, Hodierna, Berengaria, Asketi, Kertigen, Divyaush, Zachriedek, Meraud, Firulf, Kerenhappuch, Tamsine, Albreda, Harawep, Truffenyi, Alamhif, Huldah, Urrem'tier, Eylhaar, Aldauth, Rakash god(s), Prydaen god(s), Alaudian/Gorbesh god(s), Gnomish god(s), or other
Because god associations are rare, this value should be presumed none if blank.

I would adapt the Manual of Style standards for items for use with materials.

Thanks! --ISHARON (talk) 21:58, 26 September 2017 (CDT)

Templates

Something is wrong with the armor template, where it's flagged as cambrinth, but the max charge isn't displaying. E.g., dark glaes armor inlaid with complex cambrinth designs --ISHARON (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2017 (CST)

Fixed! -CARAAMON (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2017 (CST)

Crafting material pages

So I thought I was making up the BONE item pages the same as how you'd made up the METAL item pages, but now I see you're starting to do re-directs on them to other page names. First off, sorry! Guess I should have just done one and gotten you to look it over first. So, with that in mind, do you want to go ahead and do the first leather item up (right now, looks like Antelope skin), so I have a template to do the other leather items that way too so that you won't have to go back and fiddle them later? Not trying to make more work for you...:) --Kythryn 14:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'm still testing it, trying to find the way that makes the most sense. Metals and stones are fairly simple, as they always are obvious what they are. Skin and bones isn't always quite so straightforward. I list them in stack form for a couple reasons:
  1. So people can easily match what's in their pack to crafting stats.
  2. Because some skin/bones we can't actually attribute to a specific creature yet or come from multiple creatures.
  3. Because some skin/bones is very oddly named.
  4. Because some similarly named items might end up being very different (Snow Goblin bones might end up different than Elven Pixie Forest and Plains Goblin bones) and so having a Goblin Bone page could cause issues.
That being said, this is a wiki and not my personal little fiefdom, so if you think you have a better way to do it, PLEASE give it a shot. I watch all the changes on the site (or at least try), so even if I disagree and change it, some part of your idea may end up being far better. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 19:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
You may not claim the title, but we all know: You're king of the Elanthipedia Kingdom...:).
So, on the stack vs. no-stack thing, I see where you're coming from. But, on the flip side of that, if you're looking to match what is in a pack, why not lumium shard or silk cloth or onyx rock? I mean, the only thing you can (currently) pick up from it's name is a prepared healing herb (ie. crushed belradi moss becomes crushed belradi), everything else you see as a "cloth" or an "ingot" or whatever. (not trying to be difficult here, but seems like the other materials already have their "qualifier" stripped off, so why not with Bone & Leather too).
And, we do already have Goblin Bone and Pale Goblin Bone (thanks to Antendren checking a snow goblin question I had) so I do suspect that if the GM's release something from 2 similar creatures, they will give it a separate name. Hopefully. Probably. Maybe.
At the end of the day, I don't really care how we proceed with this, I'm happy to help populate everything. --Kythryn 00:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
And because I'm just itching to do something with this tonight it seems, I have been playing around with Caracal-pelt Leather, including the base pelt and made a test table under the COMMON LEATHER section on the Crafting Materials page. Let me know what you think, make changes, etc. Thanks! --Kythryn 03:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Perfect! -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 06:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
ugh, sorry I didn't get all those leather crafting supplies finished up yet but I did guilt Anuind into getting me samples of all the remaining common leather skins and have them tanned. So, I am (hoping!) to finish that up this coming weekend. That being said, I'd posted on the forums, and will add this to the "crafting feedback" page too, but since there are currently 2 common skins that turn into "some azure-scale leather", each with different stats, should I go ahead and make "some azure-scale leather (1)" and "some azure-scale leather (2)", and a master "disambig" page like this link for both?
http://www.elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Weapon:Black-bladed_bastard_sword_with_a_silver_gryphon_atop_the_cross-guard
--Kythryn 06:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Works for me. -Moderator Caraamon Makdasi(talk) 12:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Ugh, looks like some red-links are still on the crafting materials page from the server transfer. Also, there are some naming things going on when you look at the Crafting Materials#Rare Leather, sometimes it is an item other times it is just a page. I don't think I'll be re-visiting this in the near future, however if you want to let me know the page naming standard you want for things, if it hasn't been done by the time I motivate, I'll be happy to go through and standardize and follow-up on the red-links. --Kythryn 15:33, 25 January 2015 (CST)

Hib Barbarian shop

Heya! I'm updating some of the Hib stuff, and in the Barbarian guild, there is a door that looks like is Barb-only and it looks to be a shop.

>look door
Polished into the brushed bronze of the door are letters that spell out, "Kvaren's".
It is open.
>go doo
A large hand reaches out from behind the curtain and blocks your entrance. A burly guard mutters to you, "Just where, do you think yer goin? This shop is fer members of the Guild only."

I don't know how often you get out of Crossing, but if you're ever out this way, or you know a Barb in the area, might have them pop over and document the stuff? From the street, go boulder, go door, go grey arch, east, SE, east. That puts you in the room to GO DOOR to the shop. --Kythryn 16:06, 31 January 2015 (CST)

Don't know if this has been answered yet but as I'm in Hibarnhvidor I decided to check this out. Here is the room inside the door and contents of shop. --Rhadyn 22 January 2016

[Elding Gwilt, Kvaren's] There is little space to move about in this cramped shop. The bronze door opens inward, guiding customers straight to a display counter, while not making maneuvering any easier. To the left of the the counter, a number of axes have been placed on display on a rack. Adding to the clutter of the establishment, a small shelf hangs above a stout table, each showing off their own wares. Obvious exits: none.

On the display counter you see a small iron axe bearded with bright steel, an oak-hafted hurling axe with a wide steel blade inlaid with gold tracings, a slender steel throwing axe with a white leather-wrapped haft, a heavy bronze hurling axe with a river boa-shaped haft, a short-hafted hand axe with a dragon-engraved blade, a small axe with faint engravings along its length and a light bronze throwing axe with a grass eel-shaped haft.

On the axe rack you see a dark ironwood-hafted axe with a cruelly serrated head, a hand axe with an iron-banded handle, a smoke grey lochaber axe with a mottled steel head, a flint-bladed axe with a lengthened handle, an elm-handled battle axe topped by a grinning steel wolfshead, a black iron axe with a maple handle wrapped in thin leather cording, a twohanded war axe with a skull-shaped pommel, a crescent-bladed war axe engraved with a flame pattern, a goldenoak-hafted battle axe with a shining silvered blade and a sleek lochaber axe with a razored edge.

On the small shelf you see a dented flask, a leather flask, a hammered brass flask, an engraved flask and a wooden flask.

On the stout table you see a bronze paintstick, a cobalt blue paintstick, a leaf-green paintstick, a note, a blood-red paintstick, a purple paintstick, a gold paintstick, a maroon paintstick and a black paintstick.


Unable to upload files

Any file type I attempt to upload, I receive the following error:

The file is a corrupt or otherwise unreadable ZIP file. It cannot be properly checked for security.

I have tried sfhunter.txt, odt, and docx. I uploaded a new version in November and have made some fixes I need to get uploaded.

When you can please take a look.

--DARKANGELX (talk) 22:34, 5 December 2015 (CST)

URL https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/SFhunter_(script)

Let me see what I can do. -CARAAMON (talk) 21:29, 6 December 2015 (CST)

I'm having this problem with image files too, FWIW. It's saying the MIME type is wrong but I've checked the headers and they seem to be totally fine. Tried this with both PNGs and JPGs. -- Thayet (talk) 17:00, 7 December 2015 (CST)

Adding TOC to player template card

Hey Caraamon! Having a Table of Contents and a Player Template Card on the same page was bugging me, so I wanted to take a shot at combining the two. See it in action on Uzmam's page. Absolon also helped out by making it a y/n toggle. I also took the left hand padding from the TOC, changed it into a margin, and adding it to the player template as a whole, giving some space between the main body copy and the player template card.

If you like how it works (and if it doesn't break anything!), we can flow it into the default templates for PCs and NPCs. Maybe even shops, who knows! --TEVESHSZAT (talk) 22:33, 13 January 2016 (CST)


Title redirect / caching issue?

Ok I came across a weird issue in regards to titles. Take the title "Shadowmancer" for example. If you go to the Title:Shadowmancer title page everything is right. If you click on the discussion tab in Title:Shadowmancer or directly go to Shadowmancer which redirects to Title:Shadowmancer you see some old cached version of the page (which you can't edit, when you try to you edit the current version, not this cached version). Now oddly if while on that bad cached page, you click the "(Redirected from Shadowmancer)" link, it takes you back to Shadowmancer, and then when you manually click the redirect link, it takes you to the correct Title:Shadowmancer. Not sure really what is going on here. Sorry if that is a bit confusing but hopefully it's detailed enough.

Also as an aside question, for updating titles, the article obsolete stub says "Some of these requirements have not been updated to 3.0. These requirements are italicized." I add the new=yes field to a title when I know all the reqs are updated and it gets rid of the "This article is obsolete" stub, but I'm not sure how to make updated reqs be non italicized (though I guess once the stub is removed it doesn't really matter if they are italicized or not?). -SYDNEE (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2016 (CST)

Unfortunately, that's an odd bug that is not something we can fix. I'm not sure exactly what causes it, but we have a bunch of similar bugs having to do with missing discussion pages.
To deitalicize a requirement, put "newreq=y" somewhere in the requirement. -CARAAMON (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2016 (CST)

Standard editor permissions

Moved to Elanthipedia Bugs.

Retiring

Hey Caraamon, feel free to demote my account's editing rights. I have left DragonRealms and my account deactivates tomorrow, so I will not be active on the wiki any more.--ABSOLON (talk) 16:26, 28 September 2016 (CDT)

grammar issue with juggling items

"This item is trains a skill with its use." is what they say right now, I'd change it myself but not sure how/where. Should be something like 'Trains perception with use.' or if its generic with other skill building items 'Trains a skill with its use.' --Legeres (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2016 (CST)

It is shared with several other tags. And right now with things as unstable as they are, I'd rather not edit a template that is used by so many pages. -CARAAMON (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2016 (CST)

Character Page not showing up in categories, Unable to create User Page

I hope this is the right place to post this.

I created a page for my character Enalen a couple days ago. It's been added to the proper categories via the PC template, and they are linked at the end of the page so that seems to be working fine. But when you go to any of those categories, her page isn't actually filed under them. Also I added an image to the database and put it on the page. It displays properly on the character page but when you look at the image's info page, it claims nothing links to it.

Unfortunately, category pages take a while to populate. If the recent Chris' Mass shop category page is any indication, this should happen automatically within a week. By the way, please only use the actual race name (for example, Elf), not clans, in the race field. I added a category at the bottom to categorize your page as a player River Elf. --ISHARON (talk) 18:13, 7 January 2017 (CST)

On top of those two things, I'm unable to create my own user page. When I click my Username and click create, I am sent to a blank page with nothing on it. The create page shows up fine when clicking any other red link though. Are these bugs? Or are they some of the functions that were broken by the update mentioned? -- DOOMKITTY (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2017 (CST)

This is a bug. I will report it to staff. --ISHARON (talk) 18:13, 7 January 2017 (CST)

Still Around?

Hey Caraamon are you still around?

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