User talk:CARAAMON

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Hey, on Elemental Pathways

done, gave pathway perceive it's own page for future additions too -Powerhaus 10:26, 30 January 2009

hmm ok, i'll work on it. Eh Barrage kind of is and isn't, it's not like the others cause it's an actual attack rather than a state of mind, but shows up on our pathway list and uses 'mental reserve' that only gets drained and used by pathway stuff, i'll probably just put a See barrage or something. thanks Powerhaus23:40, 29 January 2009

noticed there's 2 pathways pages, one with spoilers, and one that's a mess. Should the info just be copied over the the messy one, and delete the spoilers and leave a link to the pathway spoilers page? Also I don't think the whole Spell Form is needed, since other than barrage they don't include any spell effects? Also was wondering if I should move Defense Pathway spoilers from Discussion to the acual page since it's been awhile now. Finally, should Barrage be included with the pathways with just a link to the Barrage entry? Powerhaus 11:00, 29 January 2009

Hi

If you could get with me in an email that would be fantastic. idonraiders@inbox.com or idonswebmaster@imseeingatherapist.com either works. thanks so much.--WebmasterIdonraiders 00:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

please note I've responded to Fenance's claims as best I could and also took your advice and remained civil :) Thanks for taking the time to hear both sides and Have a great night. --WebmasterIdonraiders 00:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Titles

I've been changing some of the Title pages to use the TitleReq templates, rather than the extra pipes in the Title template, as I thought the TitleReq was the way things were going, but then I saw what you'd done with Barbarian Titles, so am thinking I may need to undo the changes I've made. Or, possibly use both styles so that TitleAsk and the individual Title pages both work? Thoughts? FuIru 20:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the long wait, I've been having internet problems. Use TitleAsk for the category pages and use the forms to do the individual title pages. The form knows how to process it correctly.Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 03:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

As you probably noticed I updated the titleAsk stuff to "work better" including pretty name, and linking etc. (we may want to update css/formatting on the "more" link... no time atm). I also added a TODO page to help with getting it all done (and caught up)! Also of note is the missing property, which I added generically to do things like what you just did today (add it to other templates), so thanks on that! --Callek 05:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep I saw and it looks good to me. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 06:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Replied to you on my talk page. again --Callek 20:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

hey, any idea what is up with the Title ToDo page, it refs the missing::TitleReq and still shows many pages that no longer have that. Even its "more" link shows that. Nearly the whole first results have that problem. Is it a Semantic bug, a function of how elanthipedia is cached, or did I do some mistake? If a semantic MW bug I can surely dig and attempt to fix stuff, but it may take a bit of work. (my best guess is its a factor of Semantic MW + parser functions together, the #if stuff) --Callek 03:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a caching issue as far as I can tell. Basically, until the page is purged after the semantics change, it won't send it to the search engine properly. At least that's the issue I keep running into. If that doesn't work.... lemmie know and I'll poke into it. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 07:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've found a fix. Purging (i.e. refreshing) isn't enough, you actually have to do a no-change edit and save for it to be updated correctly. I suspect it has to do with the fact they were shifted namespaces, but I'm not sure of the details. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 07:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea, purging in and of itself did not work (I can also purge :-) ) which is where I was confused. --Callek 15:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, and looks like it STILL did not update that ToDo page (I see a few that still shouldn't be there)... unless you mean purge/blank-save on the Title:* pages themselves. --Callek 15:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Gotta resave each individual title page. Why? Damned if I know. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 19:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Couple things: How do we calculate a diff for a title that only requires a stat like Title:Actor? And how do we calculate a diff for a guild title requiring a skill that isn't required for the guild like Title:Impresario? Had a couple more that have slipped my mind at the moment, but I'll let you know. I've been gradually working through the categories, finished Trader, Performer, Lore and Criminal, working on Survivals and up next are Thief and the other general categories. I saw you were doing the combat ones this morning so I'll leave those to you if you want. Thanks, Azhag 02:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, what I do is that I ignore any skill that isn't required (no choice), and if it's a pure stat title, I make an arbitrary guess based on what I know of the given guild. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 02:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Gem Selling

Hey can you proofread and copy-edit Selling_Gem_Pouches for me, I'm not sure if that is clear enough. But I just wanted to write an article on it from all my times explaining the methods to newcomers in the gemshop in crossing! (I plan on writing a page on the numbers, and one "for traders" to refer to eventually) --Callek 18:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to better word it at the moment, but tieing a pouch actually creates 2 items, not one. It is one for the pouch itself, and one for all the gems inside. --Callek 21:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

response

I responded on my user talk. As far as the changes go, I've provided proof but honestly, they're about things that are general reputation. It's well known, and Ragran is attempting to hide it. As someone who works full time on wikis, I am quite averse to people trying to whitewash their own articles that read like puff-pieces. Fenance 22:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Ranik Maps

I just made a change to the map infobox, without first verifying that this is something we want. Revert if you think we need to either create stubs with template for shops red-linked from maps. Or if you feel that the way I did this is not wanted (i.e. fest shops showing up, needing to add new shop pages for the links to even appear, or shops from sub-maps not appearing -- i.e. Trader shop is not on Ranik's Map 1). --Callek 04:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Inkhorne

Why drop Map4 and add Leucro's, I'm still not sure where there is the Inhorne --Callek 19:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Unless they were moved to map4 with the west gate update, the only palce I've ever seen inkhorns was in with leucros. They're rare....assuming they haven't been removed in the year or so since I was last there. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 19:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

They were added to Hunting Preserve, yes. But they are definitely not on the Map for Leucro's... so thats a "MapError" to add there... but we need the Map4 added back (I'm at work, so please do it for me) ;-) --Callek 19:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Creature, NPC's, Shop Owners, and Maps

A few thoughts I am having... The creature pages are unwieldy and unable to be easily modified via the Form.

I suggest one of us come up with a new layout there (that the current template(s) can fit into without much difficulty (given the large number of critter pages). Preferrably [imo] one that has majority of text along left side of page (rather than needing to move from the float: left stuff)

I was thinking something like a top-of-page header that has all the info, and the picture along the right side. But no idea how to work that. This will also allow us to have the map list specified in numbers alone on the creature pages in future (so we don't need to rely on people using {{rmap}})

As far as NPC's, I was thinking of adjusting the template/form to allow pre-title, last name, and post-title (even affil?) entries. And then we can utilize that info on other pages we link from (such as Maps). This would negate the need to alt-specify MANY of the NPC's. (and could be used for player characters too).

Shopowners I was considering removing from the "Noteable People" list, unless they have another |type| associated with their NPC page. reasoning being in some cities there are MANY shops, and as the shops are already listed there is probably no need to also list their owners on the main map page.

I have not investigated any of these thoughts too heavily yet, but was wondering your opinion.

--Callek 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree about the critter stuff. Lemmie give it some thought and I'll do some mock ups. Personally, I prefer right lined stuff, though.

Either way, some mockups would be good (I was going to just do some mockups last night, but got waaay too tired) --Callek 18:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was more thinking an entire redesign of the page, but based on ThunderRams alone, I think we can go with this... it should work just fine for now. And we can actually let a Form help I think. --Callek 22:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

NPC/Shopkeepers.... the problem is that if you exclude shopkeepers, who else do you exclude? What criteria do we set for "important" people? As for alt names, just change the "names" section to whatever you want displayed, and use that as the display name.... actually, lemmie set that up as a tag. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 18:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

As far as "important" people, I was thinking shopkeepers not listed unless they have/had another role as something else. As in, in general we won't list Grisgonda on crossing (he owns the gemshop) but if the NPC of grisgonda caught and killed Grishnok, then we'd have him listed as another type of npc as well. Basically I'm just thinking to exclude shopkeeps from the Map List who are not also listed as another type. (The shops themselves are still listed, and I still intend we include the shopkeeps on the wiki). --Callek 18:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Posts and Scripts

Hmm, I am envisioning placing posts in their own namespace so we don't have to duplicate them across many pages, and actually using semantic-media-wiki to auto-generate a list of posts (with a "more..." link).

Also, I think we can do a better job of segregating scripts. So if we get a Posts: and a Scripts: namespace we can sort this all out a bit better I think. :-) If you agree I'd like to pester Naeya about adding those two new namespaces. (I have a better idea along the Posts side than Scripts side though). --Callek 22:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Ahh I knew there were two namespaces I wanted to use, and Scripts was one thing I've been thinking about, but wasn't actually the namespace I was hoping to ask you about. The other being "Logs". For <cleaned-up> logs of events, meetings, etc. not meant to be the main-wiki articles, but useful for anyone who cares to see the finer details. (Can be copied logs from posts, or players actually posting the logs themselves). Most logs should/could be made eventually into 3'rd party style. --Callek 22:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. Go ahead and bug her....assuming it doesn't break things like last time. Ew. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 23:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Spell Template

Can you please recheck your work on the spell template? It seems that the categories aren't directing properly since they are using lowercase names when they should be uppercase (i.e. Category:Versus agility Spells instead of Category:Versus Agility Spells. Thanks. --Thilan 16:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It looks like the spells aren't being assigned to their respective categories. Soul Sickness, for example, correctly categorizes as a Versus Spirit spell on the bottom of the page, but it isn't being added to Category:Versus Spirit Spells. --Thilan 17:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... it looks like the wiki is being odd again. It doesn't recategorize them till they're edited and saved again (even if there's no change to the edit). -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 17:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Factbox not showing up for Shadow Web

Ghodbane asked me to fix some of the stuff he thought he broke. I don't know what's wrong, really; I didn't do anything that I imagine fixed Tenebrous Sense, and now I broke Shadow Web, so I'm just confused. Pls take a look. =/ Sorry for the mess. --Diarik 07:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with either page. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 10:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Shield

Having a problem with Template:Shield. There's a couple protection values that you don't have listed as possible values, for instance "very poor" and "rather low". I didn't want to edit the template because you had previously hard-coded values as 0=none, 1=poor, 2=low, etc. and I was afraid adding the new ones would break it. Azhag 00:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)