Talk:Roundtime
Crossbow Roundtime Reduction
Crossbow roundtimes are no longer reduced with higher skill and stats. I believe this change was made during the EXP updates when learning rates were normalized against loading roundtimes. I have removed the roundtime reduction lists from the main page. --KHELEK00 (talk) 10:35, 16 May 2019 (CDT)
Weapon Roundtime Research
The previous formula was extremely convoluted (with 3 separate sides to the equation?)... to make things more clear and avoid this strange contradiction, I've decided to do some research to get some current data. To accomplish this, I've crafted up a variety of weapons intending to check out roundtimes on each one for individuals with various strength, agility and skill levels. Below is a listing of the data that I've gathered as yet. I've found that agility does indeed (as suspected, despite the GM post) play a role in roundtime determination.
Basic conclusions:
- The current chart that indicates minimum possible roundtimes is accurate.
- Both strength and agility play a role in the roundtime equation.
- Possible roundtimes are: 1/3/3, 2/4/4, 2/4/5, 3/5/6, 4/6/7, 5/8/9, 6/8/9, 7/9/9, and 8/9/9 (for feint/slice/chop).
- Blunts share the same roundtimes with their same-weight edged equivalents.
I have data for 16 or 17 weapons of various stones (approx. 4 per each weapon class).
The old RT formula is here:
The problem that I have with it is the use of the back-end. Logically, an Effective Strength should be an input that gets modified somehow to produce the actual roundtime that you're receiving... but here it happens a bit backwards. I believe that since both STR and AGI are involved, however, that the center and left side is likely accurate. I think what we need, then, is the STR/AGI conversion into Effective Strength, then a comparison of that Effective Strength to the weight of the weapon, producing expected roundtimes.
This still leads to a problem in that it doesn't help us know the breakpoints where roundtime goes down... thus, to be fully inclusive (and accessible), we would need a table of STONES versus EFFECTIVE STRENGTH showing projected RTs, with the caveat of minimum RTs possible per weapon class. ...which does throw a wrench in things (a 27 stone HE broadsword is 3/5/6 for someone with 24STR/22AGI all the way up to 36STR/22AGI, whereas a 26 stone ME Gladius is 2/4/4 through that entire range). As such, we may need four separate tables.
Here's the list of description-to-numeral conversion to assist with the Effective Strength equation as needed:
| Number | Description |
|---|---|
| 0 | not |
| 1 | terribly |
| 2 | dismally |
| 3 | poorly |
| 4 | inadequately |
| 5 | fairly |
| 6 | decently |
| 7 | reasonably |
| 8 | soundly |
| 9 | well |
| 10 | very well |
| 11 | extremely well |
| 12 | excellently |
| 13 | superbly |
| 14 | incredibly |
| 15 | amazingly |
| 16 | unbelievably |
| 17 | perfectly |
Here's my preliminary attempt:
Effective Strength vs Weapon Weight Charts
Effective Strength Reference Chart: Assuming the weapon is Decently/Decently...
| Effective STR | STR/AGI |
|---|---|
| 27 / 24 | |
| 34 / 26 | |
| 38 / 32 | |
| 40 / 40 | |
| 50 / 40 | |
| 55 / 45 | |
| 60 / 50 | |
| 60 / 60 |
Light Weapons
The * indicates minimum roundtime.
| Effective STR | 10 stone | 15 stone | 21 stone |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1/3/3 | 1/3/3 | 1/3/3 | |
| 1/2-3/2-3** | 1/2-3/2-3** | 1/2-3/3** | |
| * | * | 1/2-3/2-3** |
** Light Weapons have an inherent variability at minimum RT between 2 and 3 seconds.
Medium Weapons
The * indicates minimum roundtime attained.
| Effective STR | 21 stone | 26 stone | 31 stone | 40 stone | 45 stone | 55 stone |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4/5/6 | ||||||
| 2/4/4 | 2/4/4 | 2/4/4 | 3/4/5 | |||
| 2/4/4 | 2/4/4 | 2/4/4 | 2/4/4 | |||
| 1/3/3 | 1/3/4 | 1/3/4 | 2/4/4 | |||
| * | 1/3/3 | 1/3/3 | 1/3/4 | 1/3/4 | ||
| * | * | * | 1/3/3 | 3/4/6 | ||
| * | * | * | * | ?? | 2/3/5 |
Effective Strength vs. Weapon Weight: Heavy Weapons
The * indicates minimum roundtime attained.
| Effective STR | 27 stone | 40 stone | 45 stone | 50 stone |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ??? | ??? | 6/8/9 | ??? | |
| 3/5/6 | 4/6/7 | 4/6/7 | 5/7/8 | |
| 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | 4/6/7 | 4/6/7 | |
| 2/4/5 | 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | |
| 2/4/4 | 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | |
| * | ??? | ??? | ??? | |
| * | 2/4/4 | 2/4/4 | 2/4/5 | |
| * | * | * | 2/4/4 |
Twohanded Weapons (including polearms and staves)
The * indicates minimum roundtime.
| Effective STR | 35 stone | 40 stone | 45 stone | 58 stone | 65 stone | 75 stone | 90 stone | 100 stone | 113 stone | 124 stone | 125 stone | 135 stone |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4/6/7 | ??? | 6/8/9 | ??? | ??? | 8/9/9 | 8/9/9 | 8/9/9 | 8/9/9 | ||||
| 4/6/7 | 5/7/8 | ??? | 6/8/9 | 7/9/9 | ??? | 8/9/9 | ||||||
| ??? | 6/8/9 | 6/8/9 | ??? | 7/9/9 | ||||||||
| ??? | 5/7/8 | 6/8/9 | ??? | 7/9/9 | ||||||||
| ??? | 5/7/8 | 5/7/8 | ??? | 7/9/9 | ||||||||
| ??? | 4/6/7 | 5/7/8 | ??? | 6/8/9 | ||||||||
| ??? | 3/5/6 | 4/6/7 | ??? | 5/7/8 | ||||||||
| 2/4/5 | ??? | 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | ??? | 4/6/7 | |||||||
| * | * | ??? | 3/5/6 | 3/5/6 | ??? | 3/5/6 | ||||||
| * | * | ??? | ?? | ?? | ??? | ?? | 3/5/6 (pike) | 2/3/5 (greatsword) | 4/6/7 (zweihander) | |||
| * | * | ??? | 2/4/5 | 2/4/5 | ??? | 3/5/6 | ||||||
| * | * | ??? | * | * | ??? | 2/4/5 | ||||||
| * | * | ??? | * | * | ??? | * |
Note: I included the final two columns in hopes that people can help fill those in in time - my data is off for those two weights due to poor construction and the Suit/Balance effecting things.
KASHNA (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2016 (CDT)