Talk:Manipulate ability

A few edits

Really nice article, I just made a few edits to wikify and increase accuracy and clarity. It's a slight overstatement to say that manipulated creatures defend the empath since they won't necessarily do anything or act on your behalf. The ability can also be used whether a creature is threatening you or not. --Farman 18:49, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

Science & Caps

Can do both an elder and a ruby-crested adult gryphon at the same time reliably without concentration problems right around 680 empathy. --Zamara 00:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Going back through my logs it seems that two elders were successful around the same time. Still haven't hit a cap yet on them. --Zamara 01:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

2026 Notes on minimum to learn

I started a new empath and was unable to learn manipulate at level 1, with 10 ranks of Empathy, 199 total skills, and the following stat block: Strength : 15, Reflex : 12, Agility : 15, Charisma : 10, Discipline : 10, Wisdom : 10, Intelligence : 10, Stamina : 15, Concentration : 330 Max : 330.

Ranking to 11 in empathy (and nothing else) did not change that. Going up to level 2 (with 11 empathy) did not change that.

Will try walking up my levels. Suspect level 5/10 minimum.

A few days later - level 5, 21 ranks of empathy, same teacher, worked instantly. Stats

    Strength :  20            Reflex :  10    
     Agility :  10            Charisma :  10    
  Discipline :  15              Wisdom :  14    
Intelligence :  10             Stamina :  15 

Unsure if it was the additional 10 ranks of empathy or the extra 3 levels, or the different stat block, mentals/concentration could impact it. With Current DR, level 5 and 20 ranks is a few hours of work, so probably not worth nailing down.