Talk:Astral guide

Moving random research from the article here. Please keep your notes and stuff out of the articles and in the talk pages unless you have some concrete results to share. Reene 11:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Data Collection

Moon Mage with 300 PM 340 PP 300 MD 260 Astrology skill 210 ]concentration makes a guide for Taniendar (Haven) to Marendin (Shard). The guide has 2 sanity protection (Xibar), 1 force (Yavash), 0 speed (Katamba)

Guide is "The gestalt mind is sane and will maintain its sanity under any stress. It reacts to its environment at a modest pace and can manipulate its environment only with exhaustive effort."

The Yavash mind for force may have been an angry mind, however. (mood states seem to matter, happier the better).

This guide allowed an empath with 230 concentration to BARELY travel between both shards, losing 20 concentration per room until the last room, losing 30 concentration.

• • With 575 Arcana (or 560 at the time of creation), the Cradle would hold only 6 minds (2 destinations, 1 red happy, 1 blue excitement, 2 black contentment) Results in lucid with weak personality, manipulate with ease, and amazing speed.--Niaura 19:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

2 sanity minds (1 near sentient (anger) , 1 sentient (boredom)), 1 speed mind (near sentient, anger), Rolagi (cold). 630 arcana. Still waiting for more minds to get up to near sentience.

The gestalt mind is sane and will maintain its sanity under any stress. It reacts to its environment at a modest pace and can manipulate its environment only with exhaustive effort.

--21:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

RL Times of Mind Growth after Fall 2012 update:

The stages of Mind growth are:

• ? - infantile
• ? - made of barely coherent energy
• ? - made of chaotic impulses
• ? - beginning to form simple patterns
• ? - a series of repetitive patterns
• ? - beginning to form complex patterns
• ? - composed by the interplay of numerous psychic patterns - approx 8-9 hours
• ? - beginning to bring disparate patterns together into a gestalt - approx 16 hours
• ? - developing primal intelligence - approx 24-25 hours
• ? - instinct-driven
• ? - mimicking animal intelligence
• ? - developing a sense of cunning - approx 36 hours
• ? - mimicking higher-order animal intelligence
• ? - testing the limits of its environment
• ? - nearly sentient

Verbs

Niaura, guides themselves don't have those verbs. Have you actually tested them? Reene 16:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
You're right. Created a new page for Cradle of Moons and moved that info over there. Thanks.
--Niaura 22:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Catalyzing

Anecdotlly, difficulty of the sigils scribed for catalyzing do seem to matter. 2 Ismelda sigils catalyzed the Astral guide.

Alternating between Sun and Yavash sigils, until finally at night time twice Estrilda, once Triquetra, once Heron, and maybe about 2 more high level sigils took about 20~30 scribes.

However, using Welkin, Shrike, and Penhetia completed the guide with only a total of 3 scribes.

--Niaura 00:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

My First Guide

Okay with 425 Arcana i got 5 Minds in. 2 destinations, 1 Black, 1 Red, 1 Blue. The messaging for not being able to add more minds in is "The (fingernail) resists your attempt. Its matrix is unable to accommodate more minds." For those that don't know once the Mind is in the Cradle it stops aging. My minds were all Sentient and put in then none early. The final is a Katamba Guide:

The gestalt mind is completely lucid and has a strong personality. It reacts to its environment quickly and can manipulate its environment with ease. Names are being whispered within the device: Rolagi and Erekinzil

This took 90 some sigils of Katamba to Catalyze and i got the following ending messaging:

and How i knew it was done: What once held a simple construct of energy now holds a single, waking mind.

The effort of creating an Astral Guide was incredibly taxing, you do not believe you will be able to do that again for many days.. ~ Dricila 4.17.2011

Sigils to Catalyze

• Katamba, ~90 sigils
• Sun, >50 sigils
• Spider, 3 sigils
• Scales, 3 sigils
• Triquetra, 2 sigils
• Penhetia, 2 sigils

Power

Sanity

• Unstable
• Completely lucid
• Sane

Personality

• No mechanism to preserve its sanity
• Almost no force of personality
• Weak personality
• Strong personality
• Nearly indomitable personality
• Will maintain its sanity under any stress

Speed

• Glacial slowness
• Slowly
• Modest pace
• Amazing speed
• Precognitive insight

Effort

• Only with exhaustive effort
• Weak amount of force
• Light / With ease
• Incredible amount of force
• Nigh infinite amount of force