Talk:Gamgweth Grammar (book)

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What Is This?

This is mean to be a discussion of a lexical analysis that complements the grammar book.

This is also intended to find out what modifications to the language should be make to clarify certain constructions whenever issues are noticed.

You will often see (construed) where there doesn't exist an explicit example of the thing and comparisons with other words were made.

Any notes with (construed, weak) means there exists only a single example and is ineffective to provide proper rules, but it was used anyways.

  • Note: Cleaned up on 08DEC16 to make it more organized

Basic Structure

Assuming you already know what nouns, adjectives, verbs, and other common parts of speech, this will just describe some simple examples

Alphabet

There are 24 Common characters used in Gamgweth (by example)

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P R S T U V W Y Z
  • Notice there is no example of the Common letters Q or X used (though the vocals may exist in other combinations)

Punctuation

There are 4 (or 5) special characters used punctuation and are as follows:

Character Usage
. end of a declarative sentence.
? direct question at end of sentence
, separate ideas, elements, clauses (but not to separate adjectives)
' (apostrophe) indicate vocal stop (construed) between compounds where similar double consonants are paired; e.g., seord'telgi (dark green);

also used when inflecting verbs by adding -ing; e.g., gwelder (kill) -> a'gwelder (killing); may also be vocal stops

! (presumably) indicate emphasis in declarative or vocative sentence

Parts of Speech

Articles

Definite (the) Indefinite (a and an)
li vi

Prepositions

against gand
as ev
at ae
by ha
in ve
inside vetar (construed)
of ai / rae
on kus
out dilu
outside dilutar (construed)
to ri

Preposition Example

... on the volcano ... kus li aesker
... on the hot volcano ... kus li aeskerarthemor

Conjunctions

and ia
but kho
nor uldin (construed)
or ul

Subordinating Conjuntions

"I was so scared that I ran away" (complement)

"I use that" (noun)

"I found it useful that I had the gold already" (sub conj) [arguable]

"It is on top of that table" (adjective)

  • This is meant to illustrate that these words may are not well-defined; it may be right in Common reuse the same word in different ways, but it may not be the intended usage in Gamgweth.
how lof
than jen
that padia
when sudu
where suren

Compound Nouns (Noun + Noun/Adjective)

Greater Type of Thing

suffix -mor "great" to specify a greater amount/degree of a noun or adjective

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
chel "cool" chelmor "cold"
zindu "house" zindumor "manor"
sel "sea" selmor "ocean"
lermor "gorge"
gelv "cave" gelvmor "cavern"

Lesser Type of Thing

suffix -ban "little" to specify a lesser amount/degree of the noun or adjective

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
sel "sea" selban "bay"
fal "river" falban "creek/brook"
lerban "fissure"

Type of Area

remove end vowel and suffix -ren "land" to specify an area consiting of the type of noun or adjective

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
mod "tree" modren "woodland"
neflor "train" nefloren "training ground"
nama "salt" namadren "salt flats"

Full of, Filled with, Surrounded by

suffix -ta "full"

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
crof "bush" croftan "brush"
selban "bay" selbanta "cay"
din "no/not/zero" dinta "empty"
av "eye" avtai "stars" (see seordav "eclipse" [dark + eye])

Type of Person (Occupation)

suffix -ger "person"

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
tyval "theft" tyvalger "thief"
lasa "noble" lasager "nobleman"

Young Type of Thing

suffix -wen "young"

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
ger "person" gerwen "child"
andu "day" anduwen "morning"
lasa "noble" lasawen "heir"
night "surmi" (inflected) sumiwen "evening"

Negative Type of Thing

suffix -isi (construed "unwelcome/unwanted/dangerous/negative")

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
lort "plant" lortisi "weed"
dyr "animal" (construed) dyrisi "beast" (see dyrgelv "den")

Time of Thing

suffix -dor (construed "time")

Noun Meaning Modified Noun New Meaning
jeol "ice" Jeoldor "Winter"
anla "sun" Anlador "Summer"
sca "before" (construed) scador "prepare"

Adjectives

Basic Construction

  1. Normally, all adjectives follow the noun on the right
  2. Only the first adjective is attached to the noun (when multiple descriptors exist)
  3. Vocal stops can be used with apostrophes normally when consonants are grouped

Compound Rules (More Detail)

Li denenshonarthe... "The warm king..." (the king warm)
Li denenshon a'phopher ... "The dreaming king ..." (The king dreaming ...)
Falban Seord'tegli "Dark green brook" (River-lesser dark'green)

Noun Adjectives, Attribute (Common: -y)

Suffix: -(i)n, drop the 'i' when suffixed to an existing vowel

gloom (n) gloomy (adj)
elba elban
fire (n) fiery (adj)
aes aesin (construed, weak)

This is important as a distinction, because words in Common can change form when created as an adjective or adverb. Just because Common does it, doesn't mean that Gamgweth requires it, but take the case of aes for fire. How does one define "Fire" the noun adjunct differ explicitly from "Fiery" the adjective as it is clearly seen in Common?

maor aes zaul => "Fiery Devil Cat" or "Devil Fire Cat"? maor aeszaul => "Fire-Devil Cat" or "Devil-Fire Cat"? maoraes zaul => "Devil Fire-Cat"?
maor zaul aes => "Fiery Devil Cat" or "Fire Devil-Cat"? maorzaul aes => "Fire Devil-Cat" or "Fiery Devil-Cat"? maor zaulaes => "Fire-Devil Cat"?

While the distinctions may be clearer in written form, when Gamgweth is vocalized, the necessity for inflection should become apparent, yet there doesn't appear to be a general rule to assist with this process of distinguishing a noun from its adjective form. Take the difference between "the bony prince" and "the Bone Prince"; in Common, the nouns and adjectives are easy to understand.

Noun Adjectives, Pertaining To (Common: -al)

Suffix: -nth

magic (n) magical (adj)
cambri cambrinth
nature (n) natural (adj)
ierna iernanth (construed, weak)

To Make, To Become, Appearance of, Turn Into (Common: -en / en-)

Suffix: -(a)fi, (created from existing word safir == become)

Adjective Meaning Modified Adjective New Meaning
rom "broad" romafi "broaden"
atila "gold (metal)" atilafi "golden (construed, weak)"

Adverb Creation (Common: -ly)

In the example Gamgweth sentence "Aevirke ulf lasadal ia bueserke wirue", the adverb is at the end with a -ue suffix. Where wir (evil) + -ue is likely intended to mean "evilly". Thus creating the translation: "The wolf saw the lady and smiled evilly".

evilly wirue (evil-ly)
Gwerke sannue Juli ri li trekhalosann. "Juli spoke well to the good chieftan" (speak-past good-ly [well] Juli to the chieftan-good)
Hentorke bolgue morue vi Juli bolg morue ve li gelvmor'seord morue. "A very bad Juli very badly traveled in the very dark cave" (travel-past bad-ly great-ly [very] a Juli bad very in the cave dark very)
  • assume Heyor (greet (v)), from Heyo (hello)
Heyor li denenshonarthe Juli. "The warm king greets Juli"
Heyor li denenshon Juli artheue. "The king greets Juli warmly"

Verbification (Noun to Verb)

If ending with a vowel

Suffix: -r

Noun Modified Noun New Meaning
phofe phofer "dream (v)"
ferse ferser "sleep (v)"

If ending with a vowel+consonant

Suffix: replace consonant with -r

Noun Modified Noun New Meaning
achol achor "fear (v)"
abues abuer "love (v)"

If ending with a double-consonant

Suffix: -er

Noun Modified Noun New Meaning
gweld gwelder "kill (v)"


Verbs

Infinitives

There are no infinitves with verbs explicitly, however there is ri (to) which may suggest it is usable to create them. However, it may also be intended to be preposition only and represents the Common use of the word, not necessarily proper Gamgweth usage.

Transitive Verbs

are modified by tense

Gweldke Juli li denenshon. "Juli killed the king" (Kill-did Juli the king)

Intransitive Verbs

are modified only as a tense participle when using copulas (be)

Sa Juli a'gwelder. "Juli is killing." (Be Juli killing)

Nominalization

are verbs that have been inflected into a nouns

  • e.g., Nominalize => Nominalization

Suffix: -pa, from pa (it) Note: This is a created rule; no examples exist

Sake taisarpa denan sanyu. "His flight was divine." (Be-past fly-it his divine)

Be and Do Specific

Be (is/was/will be) sa (be-present, is), sake (be-past, was), saal (be-future, will be)
Do (do/does/did) esar (do-present, does), esarke (do-past, did), esaral (do-future, will do)

Auxiliary Constructions (By Example)

Progressive

Past Progressive

Sake li denenshon a'gwelder. "The king was killing" (be-past the king killing)
Sake gaena a'gwelder. "They were killing" (be-past they killing)

Past Progressive + Past Participle (non-inflected)

Sake li denenshon a'sa gwelder. "The king was being killed" (be-past the king being kill)

Present Progressive

Sa li denenshon a'gwelder. "The king is killing" (be-pres the king killing)
Sa gaena agwelder. "They are killing" (be-pres they killing)

Present Progressive + Past Participle (non-inflected)

Sa li denenshon a'sa gwelder. "The king is being killed" (be-pres the king being kill)

Future Progressive

Saal li denenshon a'gwelder. "The king will be killing" (be-fut the king killing)
Saal gaena a'gwelder. "They will be killing" (be-fut they killing)
Saal gaena a'tyvar urfe naen. "They will be stealing all afternoon" (be-fut they stealing afternoon all)

Perfect Progressive

  • use of kar sa "have + be" with tense participle verbs (-ing)
Present Perfect Progressive
kar li denenshon sa a'gwelder. "The king has been killing" (has-pres the king be killing)

|- | karfano li denenshon sa a'gwelder. | "The king could have been killing." | (has-pres-could the king be killing) |}

Past Perfect Progressive
karke li denenshon sa a'gwelder. "The king had been killing" (has-past the king be killing)
karkefano li denenshon sa a'gwelder. "Thing king could have been killing" (has-past-could the king be killing)
Future Perfect Progressive
karal li denenshon sa a'gwelder. "The king will have been killing" (has-fut the king be killing)

Simple

Past Simple

Esarke Juli gwelder. "Juli did kill" (do-past Juli kill)
Gwelderke Juli. "Juli did kill" (per grammar rule) (kill-past Juli)

Present Simple (Imperative Mood)

Gwer tema Gamgweth? "You speak Gamgweth?"
Gwer tema Gamgweth Imperative: "You speak Gamgweth"
Gwelder Juli. Imperative: "Kill Juli"
Gwelder ama. Imperative: "Kill me"
Karke Juli gwelder. Imperative: "Have Juli killed"

Present Simple

Use modal conjugations when describing activities

Gwelderal Juli. "Juli will kill"
Gelderke Juli. "Juli has killed"
Use of modal esar (do)
Esar Juli gwelder. "Juli does kill"
Esar ama gwelder. "I do kill"
Esar tema gwer Gamgweth? "Do you speak Gamgweth?"
Esar ama gwer Gamgweth. "I do speak Gamgweth"
Example With Adjective/Adverb
Esar ama gwer Gamgwethahle. "I do speak beautiful Gamgweth" Do-pres I speak Gamgweth-beautiful
Esar ama gwer Gamgweth ahleue. "I do speak Gamgweth beautifully" Do-pres I speak Gamgweth beautiful-ly

Future Simple

Gwelderal Juli. "Juli will kill" (kill-fut Juli)
Sa Juli hevor ri gwelder. "Juli is going to kill" (be Juli going to kill)
  • There are no explicit infinitives, therefore it might be okay to drop the ri (to) as implied infinitive or preposition. It could also be reasonable to enjoy dropping it as informal.

Moods (TODO)

  • Considering TODO (if necessary)
    • Imperative, Subjunctive, Conditional, Indicative, Interrogative

--DAEMETHEUS (talk) 16:11, 8 December 2016 (CST)