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Revision as of 17:10, 23 April 2017
The Trader bonus is used to increase the coin gained from when the Trader personally sells gems or skins, whether individually or in open, closed, or tied gem pouches. This bonus is based upon a Trader's Charisma, as well as their Trading and Appraisal skill.
Some may unlock this ability around 12th circle, but for others it may be later, depending on how they train (generally requires 20 Charisma prior to 20th Circle.) At 20th circle you can sell pouches regardless of Charisma.
Overview
1. When a Player Character attempts to sell a gem or skin to an NPC buyer, the base appraisal value seen with Appraisal is the starting base value of the item.
2. This is then modified by the player's Trading bonus. Non-Traders have a 0% Trading bonus. Traders have an inherent bonus that raises their base setting higher than 0%.
3. This is then further modified by +/- 10% in discrete 1% increments (accurate to at least 2 decimal places, such as 122.00xxxx%), easily confirmable with single gems/hides, or tied gem pouches. (In untied gem pouches, EACH gem gets a separate offer, so the % bonus is not a clean discreet percentage. But it can be useful for making a rough guess to a Trader's bonus with little work of finding the precise bonus level, particularly if the gems are of fairly uniform value, as an untied gem pouch is 70 offerings rolled into one.
For an example, presume a hypothetical tied gem pouch worth precisely 100,000 kronar (10 plat kronar) when appraised certainly and exactly. When a non-Trader has an NPC gembuyer make an offer on it, they will see a range from 90-110% of the appraisal, that is, offers from 90000 to 110000 kronar, in increments of 1000 kronar (9 plat, 9.1 plat, etc., up to 11 plat).
According to the table of data below, a Trader with 60 Charisma, 394 Trading, and 331 Appraisal has a bonus of 40%, and a bonus of 50% when under the effects of Speculate Finesse bonus. This Trader, with the same pouch, would see offers ranging from 13 to 15 plat in 1000 kronar increments (30% to 50%). If that Trader uses Spec Finesse when selling, the offers can range from 14 plat to as high as 16 plat. (+/- 10% from a 50% base)
NPC buyers also subject a flat cap of 60% to selling. Anecdotal evidence appears that Traders with skill beyond this can hit the cap more often, but it is unknown how it works precisely.
Formula
The formula for the Trader bonus for selling is known to be a complicated function, the exact formula of which has not been determined.
What is known is that it is a piecewise function of some sort (that is, the formula changes across the range of variables), making it difficult to pin down a precise formula.
To that end though, a table follows containing data collected by the player of Naniaki over several years. Plus more characters of his, plus help from Navesi and hopefully others.
The formula is (Trading+Appraisal)*Charisma = X. X is to be compared to the following table to see where your bonus is.
When using Speculate Finesse, you must first use your modified Charisma, and then add (Circle/10), rounded down.
Tables
- The first Table includes all information. That includes backtracking from Spec Finesse values higher than 50%, which might include some error.
- The second table does not include Speculate Finesse values higher than 50%.
Error (Min-previous Max) | Known Minimum Points | Known Maximum Points | Bonus |
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200 | 0 | ||
10 | 210 | 410 | 1 |
10 | 420 | 620 | 2 |
10 | 630 | 830 | 3 |
10 | 840 | 1040 | 4 |
20 | 1060 | 1240 | 5 |
20 | 1260 | 1400 | 6 |
70 | 1470 | 1470 | 7 |
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9520 | 10444 | 25 | |
402 | 10846 | 12789 | 26 |
2239 | 15028 | 15028 | 27 |
34 | 15062 | 17238 | 28 |
68 | 17306 | 19448 | 29 |
34 | 19482 | 21201 | 30 |
573 | 21774 | 23493 | 31 |
573 | 24066 | 25785 | 32 |
573 | 26358 | 28077 | 33 |
285 | 28362 | 30369 | 34 |
573 | 30942 | 32355 | 35 |
495 | 32850 | 34440 | 36 |
615 | 35055 | 36223 | 37 |
977 | 37200 | 39300 | 38 |
60 | 39360 | 41520 | 39 |
240 | 41760 | 43500 | 40 |
555 | 44055 | 45780 | 41 |
233 | 46013 | 48060 | 42 |
900 | 48960 | 50160 | 43 |
800 | 50960 | 51940 | 44 |
980 | 52920 | 53760 | 45 |
1120 | 54880 | 56840 | 46 |
400 | 57240 | 58800 | 47 |
480 | 59280 | 60600 | 48 |
1020 | 61620 | 62975 | 49 |
865 | 63840 | 50 |
Error (Min-previous Max) | Known Minimum Points | Known Maximum Points | Bonus |
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200 | 0 | ||
10 | 210 | 410 | 1 |
10 | 420 | 620 | 2 |
10 | 630 | 830 | 3 |
10 | 840 | 1040 | 4 |
20 | 1060 | 1240 | 5 |
20 | 1260 | 1400 | 6 |
70 | 1470 | 1470 | 7 |
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9520 | 10444 | 25 | |
402 | 10846 | 12789 | 26 |
2239 | 15028 | 15028 | 27 |
34 | 15062 | 17238 | 28 |
68 | 17306 | 19448 | 29 |
34 | 19482 | 21201 | 30 |
573 | 21774 | 23493 | 31 |
573 | 24066 | 25785 | 32 |
573 | 26358 | 28077 | 33 |
285 | 28362 | 30369 | 34 |
573 | 30942 | 32355 | 35 |
495 | 32850 | 34440 | 36 |
615 | 35055 | 36223 | 37 |
977 | 37200 | 39300 | 38 |
60 | 39360 | 41520 | 39 |
240 | 41760 | 43500 | 40 |
555 | 44055 | 45780 | 41 |
233 | 46013 | 48060 | 42 |
900 | 48960 | 50160 | 43 |
800 | 50960 | 51940 | 44 |
1820 | 53760 | 53760 | 45 |
46 | |||
57240 | 58800 | 47 | |
480 | 59280 | 60600 | 48 |
1020 | 61620 | 62975 | 49 |
865 | 63840 | 50 |
Old Raw Data
- Trading Bonus Values 50% and higher are truncated to 50% due to no practical way to determine when one hits a new bonus percentage beyond 50% (barring impractical statistical analysis).
- Bolded values are where it is known that the Trader bonus rolled over to the next highest value at that exact stat/rank increase.
Date | Spec Finesse Bonus | Bonus | Circle | Charisma | Trading | Appraisal |
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27 | 43 | 34 | 224 | 218 | ||
28 | 43 | 34 | 224 | 219 | ||
28 | 43 | 34 | 238 | 269 | ||
29 | 43 | 34 | 238 | 271 | ||
29 | 43 | 34 | 280 | 272 | ||
29 | 43 | 34 | 296 | 273 | ||
29 | 43 | 34 | 299 | 273 | ||
30 | 43 | 34 | 300 | 273 | ||
30 | 56 | 37 | 300 | 273 | ||
31 | 56 | 38 | 300 | 273 | ||
31 | 56 | 41 | 300 | 273 | ||
32 | 56 | 42 | 300 | 273 | ||
32 | 56 | 45 | 300 | 273 | ||
33 | 56 | 46 | 300 | 273 | ||
33 | 56 | 49 | 300 | 273 | ||
34 | 56 | 50 | 300 | 273 | ||
34 | 56 | 53 | 300 | 273 | ||
35 | 56 | 54 | 300 | 273 | ||
35 | 60 | 54 | 320 | 278 | ||
36 | 60 | 55 | 320 | 278 | ||
36 | 61 | 56 | 326 | 289 | ||
37 | 61 | 57 | 326 | 289 | ||
37 | 61 | 60 | 329 | 290 | ||
38 | 61 | 60 | 329 | 291 | ||
38 | 61 | 60 | 329 | 290 | ||
45 | 38 | 61 | 60 | 332 | 293 | |
46 | 38 | 61 | 60 | 336 | 295 | |
46 | 38 | 63 | 60 | 347 | 308 | |
46 | 39 | 63 | 60 | 347 | 309 | |
46 | 39 | 63 | 60 | 350 | 312 | |
47 | 39 | 63 | 60 | 353 | 313 | |
47 | 39 | 67 | 60 | 369 | 323 | |
02/21/11 | 48 | 40 | 67 | 60 | 371 | 325 |
03/08/11 | 49 | 40 | 70 | 60 | 384 | 328 |
03/24/11 | 50 | 40 | 71 | 60 | 394 | 331 |
05/12/11 | 50 | 41 | 75 | 60 | 418 | 345 |
06/24/11 | 50 | 42 | 78 | 60 | 436 | 365 |
07/05/11 | 50 | 43 | 79 | 60 | 443 | 373 |
07/14/11 | 50 | 43 | 79 | 60 | 447 | 378 |
07/26/11 | 50 | 43 | 80 | 60 | 450 | 386 |
11/23/11 | 50 | 45 | 84 | 60 | 482 | 414 |
12/30/11 | 50 | 47 | 90 | 60 | 520 | 434 |
01/26/12 | 50 | 47 | 90 | 60 | 535 | 445 |
02/10/12 | 50 | 48 | 90 | 60 | 540 | 448 |
02/20/12 | 50 | 48 | 90 | 60 | 548 | 453 |
03/10/12 | 50 | 48 | 95 | 60 | 555 | 455 |
03/31/12 | 50 | 49 | 96 | 60 | 568 | 459 |
04/15/12 | 50 | 50 | 98 | 60 | 581 | 483 |