Talk:Idon Raiders

This article reads like an advertisement. It could use a rewrite with a more neutral point of view. I'll abstain, however, since it's known that I have conflicted with some of the raider's players in the past, and any changes I make might be viewed to have been made with malicious intent.
--Prime-Lorzelophia

Ditto. Consensus back when we started putting up articles on player-run groups was that pages about them were to be general, standardized outlines, not what this article currently has. Something tells me if I try to fix it someone is going to bitch petulantly because it's me, so it would be nice if someone else would fix this. Reene 15:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I've modified this page somewhat to try and present a more neutral viewpoint. I am not the one responsible for maintaining this page, so all changes are subject to approval. However, feedback is appreciated. --Dinran 22:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A definite improvement, thanks for taking the time to get it done.--Prime-Lorzelophia 17:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

This really doesn't seem like the proper place for opinions. Now that the article is more wikified, and the banner maintaining that it IS a player run organisation is up, I don't think it has a place here. Otherwise where is it going to end? People could start putting OPINIONS on every player page (ie. I don't like Joe because he reported me once. Sally spams the forums, she sucks!), on every militia page and so on. The best place for these type of opinions and conflicts is going to be the play.net boards conflict folders and making your opinion known through word of mouth. --Ysselt 22:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I am doing everything i can to NOT make this a battle ground. I have tried to contact Caraamon via his talk page. I simply take down the opinions that are bashing. I am NOT Ragran nor am I trying to hide a thing. I simply think that constant bashing is not necessary considering there is nothing to back up the opinion. One person has constantly posted negatively. One. There were problems when it was first put up but we promptly and quietly fixed every issue that was given to us to fix. Without anger or any kind of conflict. Sarkranis has worked on this and Im simply asking that the bashing stop and understand that more people than Ragran are involved with the raiders and are working their bottoms off. We are ok with being the only player organization with a banner announcing that people shouldnt trust what is said.. We just want it to not be a constant bashing ground. Thank you. The Webmaster of Idonraider.com--IdonsWebmaster 22:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry been a tad busy and I rarely give out my email. The reason you have that banner is because you're part of a group that is surrounded by problems (whether you cause them or not matters not the slightest to me). Like the issue with Veyne's Rings, I put up the banner to let people know that this is an INFORMATION site, not a place for bashing. I am going to contact Fenance, and if he/she cares enough to provide proof of his/her statements, the post will return. Till then, I don't care.

I'm going to restate this: My personal feelings for your group and/or it's activities will not come into play. What determines my actions will be how much of a headache this PAGE causes. If it does cause a problem, then whoever causes it will receive the response. If it's the operators of this group, it will be deleted. If it's another person, they will be blocked from posting. If you have issues with this, post here or on my talk page. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 22:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the bright red you gave us.. adds a little pizazz to the page! And if Fenance wants to back it up .. by all means let him. Im sure he has a list of all the reporters that are currently in our group who have reported since being a Raider.. and that he can also provide a list of people who also are mentioned in the 'many see it as a joke' as Fenance continually mentions. Thanks again for being so fair! And if there needs to be a place for opinions then we will surely provide anyone with enough space to 'opinionate' (its my new word) away here --IdonsWebmaster 22:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, the big bright red banner is funny. i get the text, but its like a toxic zone warning. I know other sites have had it put up Veyne I think. thanks for taking fenance's opinion down. some retard kept puytting it up over and over after it was taken down.
Frankly, i dont care if it's there. I just needed to know the e-process. do people graffiti groups' wiki's? apparently. So, im not surprised. At first i was irate, but that cuz when someone has me by the balls i always seem to react the same way (not always a great idea) take mine back, then cut their's off.
It's nice you can tell the difference between intranerd stalking (caelumia, fenance) and legitimate wiki additions. I don't know you well, cara, but you haven't struck me as a tard.
The way I see it is like this: if they could win IG, they be happy enough with that. If they could win on the play.net boards, they'd sit back in a state of self-exultation. But they can't win. So they screw with the wiki. lol.
We must be doing something right :) -Ragran

Fenance has provided me with a list of posts that he feels as evidence for his additions. He will be posting them here for a reasonable discussion on whether they are accurate. Please keep it civil.

Also, since you all are intimately involved in this problem, please read my suggestion for the policy for these situations. Until it is fully discussed, I will be relying on my own judgement. -Moderator Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi^(talk) 23:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

You know, im starting to feel hassled by the wiki. And we have obsessive players (Fenance) stalking us lol. Might be time to pull it. We shall discuss. On a side notem, Fenance, dontcha feel like yer embarassing yerself bro? Do you really want to fight caelumia's battle? - Ragran