Nefis/Logs/20220709 Great Work-A Dissection

You say, "A pleasure to see so many interested parties. For those who might not know me, I am Nefis."

You say, "It appears it is the hour to start. Hopefully, there are no stragglers."

You say, "This is a dissection of the Great Work, as interpreted by myself based on the works of Zamidren Book, Xerasyth and another author."

You say, "The Great Work is provided as the driving purpose of the Philosophers of the Knife under the tutelage of Zamidren Book."

You say, "He summarizes this as the complete end of death for all creatures; to end the cycle of life and death in the struggle of survival."

Kretona quietly says, "And overthrow the Immortals."

You say, "Well, separation of the system from the Immortals, I think is more apt."

Kretona says, "That part is often left out."

You say, "Another author, who I merely refer to as M, wrote more about the ethics involved within the Philosophy. His writing wrapped up the Philosophy with moral underpinnings, speaking of the responsibility of being worthy of power in pursuit of the Great Work."

You say, "M poignantly laments that under the current system created by the Immortals, we as individuals have little power and limited freedom."

You say, "The goal then is to retake this freedom, but also realizing the responsibility that comes with it."

You say, "Importantly though, he mentions not forgetting that the actions we all take are, by and large, evil when weighed within the current system."

You say, "So, if you think that you are merely misunderstood, or that you are good intentioned, you would be wrong by the own words of those who teach us."

You say, "The Necromancer Xerasyth expounds on this subject somewhat when speaking of the Great Work. But he goes further into explaining how one pursues this Work."

You say, "And I say necromancer, because Xerasyth does not consider himself a Philosopher."

You say, "And the simple answer to that is sacrifice. The sacrifice of all those who fall beneath our knives as we attempt to understand the intricacies of this cycle of life and death."

Zehira says, "I believe he holds many secrets."

You say to Zehira, "Perhaps more than most others...bar one."

You say, "But, he suggests that the Great Work is the underlying justification for all that sacrifice."

You say, "All that death, all the evil."

You say, "I, too, began my tutelage beneath Zamidren Book, we all did."

You say, "But over the years, I lost faith in the purpose of the Great Work. His goal is to re-invent reality. A goal that just seems incomprehensibly unattainable to me."

You say, "However, I am still influenced by these teachings. My experience with this world, this system, makes me believe in a modified version of this."

You say, "I will never begrudge a man his pursuits, even if they do not align with my own. They are entitled to their struggles."

You say, "And I do not begrudge Book his "noble" pursuit, even if I think it is unattainable."

You say, "But I believe he misinterprets the teachings and discoveries of Kigot and perpetuates a system of teaching that will only lead to failure for the Philosophers."

You say, "The Great Work is a large, broad goal. An Ideal not grounded in reality."

You say, "After decades of experimentation, it begs the question, are we any closer to the goal of eradicating death? The answer is inevitably, no."

You say, "I can only surmise that the Philosophers should realign their goals. Incremental steps, an inch at a time. Through small advances, perhaps eventually, a goal seemingly like success with the Great Work *could* be reached."

You say, "Beginning, for example, with the attunement ritual that we have all undergone. It is violent and devastating. Often resulting in failure as a result of the individuals being unable to handle it mentally, physically, or even morally."

You ask, "It makes me question if there has been any effort to refine this process?"

Cyrril wearily says, "Not to my knowledge."

You say, "Necromancers of the past seem to have attained this attunement differently, naturally even, and perhaps not as devastatingly."

You say, "It is also difficult to dismiss the power associated with those who have attuned in this "natural" method."

You say, "I can only assume it is out of expediency to have students and power that Book sought this method."

You say, "But as the Philosophy and necromancy become more prevalent in the world, perhaps we should look to improve this process."

You say, "Some of you may balk at this suggestion. After all, the common belief is that most necromancers are violent individuals only after power and destruction."

You say, "But that stems from necromancy growing from an intense need and desire for power and change, used by individuals who believe they have exhausted conventional means to overcome an obstacle and thus become pariahs."

You say, "History tells us that Sidhlot, as an example, is a terrible and powerful individual. I admit that I know little else different about him other than what is written in books. Ultimately, he used necromancy to free his people from enslavement at the hands of dwarves. Freedom gained through terrible means."

You say, "I know there are strong opinions on him here, based on some of your allegiances."

You say, "He is portrayed as a villain throughout history with probable cause, though if one were able to see it from his point of view, an unbiased observer might think otherwise. And yet, he is one of, if not the most, powerful necromancer ever known."

You ask, "But thinking of that power, properly cultivated and directed, what "good" acts could be accomplished?"

You say, "This brings me back to the Great Work. Book has laid the groundwork for teaching and mentoring individuals, but his system is ultimately flawed. He used individuals who are already influenced by their needs and desires, and tries to redirect their dissatisfaction to an unattainable goal."

You say, "My conclusion is that if one were to indoctrinate individuals over time, before these desperate needs were created, and slowly allow them to be attuned to the necessary insights, that not only could a better and more successful moral ground be achieved, but incremental "good" could be accomplished and greater heights of power achieved."

You ask, "The Philosophers of the Knife should not ask "what we can do to accomplish the Great Work?" But using necromancy, "what Great Work can we accomplish right now?"

You say, "Only by answering that question can the morality and ethics that Book has clumsily cobbled together become a success. Only then can the sacrifices be justified."

Roweena says, "So sorry I am late."

You ask, "I am finished. Anyone care to comment or argue points?"

Inneth says, "Well said."

Roweena says, "Did someone take notes? I would love to read a transcript later."

Cyrril wearily says, "I found it a delightful interrogation of the issue."

Melindrha asks, "Would it be possible to get copies of the books I couldn't find?"

Melindrha says, "You know I'm curious."

Yvela says, "That was a fine summery, Nefis, but the picture you painted is a little off to my eye."

You say to Melindrha, "You'd have to get someone with access to Book's library. I do not have it."

You ask Yvela, "Have you not yourself suggested using the benefits of necromancy for things, Yvela?"

You say to Yvela, "It suggest to me, that you at least agree in principle."

Zehira says to Nsar, "I've been looking for you."

Nsar says, "I'm not difficult to find."

Yvela says, "Of course, I do believe good can be accomplished via these means. I wouldn't be doing this otherwise."

Gridaksma asks, "And how does this stance handle those who work outside the power of the gods and the structured great works?"

Zehira says to Nsar, "I am..sorely disaapointed."

Cyrril wearily asks you, "For edification, how long has it been since you countered yourself among the Philosophers?"

Yvela says, "Specifically, I think you undersold Kigot's influence over the Philosophy. You seemed to suggest that the moral teachings spring from Book, or this "M" figure, when it was Kigot who attempted to devise a moral approach to necromancy."

You say to Gridaksma, "The Great Work is based on overthrowing the Immortal's grip over life and death."

Gridaksma says to you, "Yes, I speak of those who have done things similar to your necromancy but without the hinderances that your kind gain in exchange for that power."

Yvela says, "The very core of the Philosophy is the idea that life can be created from nothing via highly refined necromancy - a proof that Kigot supposedly decovered within a book we call the Alchemy of Flesh. A book wrote by an unknown figure."

You say to Yvela, "Yes, but Book's implementation of it is where it fails. A noble end goal, meanwhile ignoring the good it could be used for in the interim."

Inneth wryly says to you, "The Triumphant."

Lyndrel says, "In the end, even Kigot couldn't escape death."

You say to Cyrril, "It has been many years, truthfully. But it does not stop me from relying on what I have learned as a basis."

Yvela says to you, "I don't disagree, necessarily. Incremental steps may be a better approach to the Work."

Eyst asks, "Do you have some ideas of what these "Good Works" might be that they should set aside their Great Work for?"

You say, "Indeed, though many will not agree."

Cyrril wearily says, "I ask because I agree with the goodwoman Yvela. Your points were fully logical, but I believe there may be a misalignment between your train of thought and the current state of the Art."

You ask, "How many of you have tried to defend a city from invasion?"

Zehira asks you, "It's been what....near 25 years since we wavered?"

You ask, "And how well were you received?"

Cyrril wearily says, "I have not met resistance, personally. But I feel that may be somewhat anomalous."

Yvela says, "Typically people are more occupied by the invasion to care to question me, in my experience."

Nsar says, "If you take Xerasyth's comments at face value, Book isn't bent on a wholesale blitz on the Great Work but an incremental collection of all the individual advances over time. Book being able to find a protected location, begin that aggregation, and present those findings at length is a Good Work as a reference."

Cyrril wearily says, "I would posit there is a difference in response based on the methods employed."

Xelten asks, "Find?"

Nsar asks Xelten, "Have you been there?"

Melindrha asks, "How slow and incremental is still considered progress?"

Yvela says, "That bears restating. Book, the Triumphant, is tasked with creating a scienticifc method to occult practices. The most recent breakthrough on that front would be the method of risen creation he introduced to us some years back."

Xelten says, "I presumed it was as the Ice Caves here, but those must be maintained, or so it is said."

Nsar says to Xelten, "Then you prove my point, it is protected as you're unaware."

You ask Nsar, "Thats a good point...however, it begs the question, is Book working on the Great Work, or is he working on Transcendence. And are they the same thing?"

Xelten says, "Then you did not intend to imply that he did not construct his fortress."

Nsar says, "For him, they may be one and the same. If you believe the rhetoric then each of us have our own goals."

You say, "I would say that Transcendence is the method he intends to use to finish the Great Work. Whether he actually does so...."

Cyrril wearily says, "It is hard to say with certainty, but I do indeed believe that the two are one -- or at least they follow along the same path."

Yvela says, "I once asked Osven whether he believed Book had transcended. He replied that he has witnessed Book do incredible, impossible things."

Lyndrel says, "It sounds like a loudible goal, one where the ends could justify the means."

Gridaksma says to Yvela, "Some of us have seen the same from other practitioners."

You say to Lyndrel, "That is the point, but it can lead to dangerous conundrums."

Nsar asks, "Was Lyras as justified?"

Gridaksma says, "Some of us have done some of the things you've mentioned."

Harlowe says, "Kinda make it sound like everyone is working on little pieces of a big thing, so they'll never know the whole picture or benefit from it.."

Yvela says, "I don't offer that as proof, just for consideration."

Eyst asks Yvela, "He didn't care to specify which things though I take it?"

You ask Lyndrel, "We all consider orcs to be enemies, yes? But they are merely creatures living here on Elanthia as well. How does our justice impact them as sentient beings?"

Nsar says to Harlowe, "That seems to be the systematic approach Book would have you believe."

You ask, "What happens when they dont die, nor do we? Or are they barred from this never dying future?"

Yvela says to Eyst, "No. But he said if Book wasn't transcended, he couldn't imagine what that might look like."

You say, "Like I said, an impossible goal."

Nsar asks, "If you cant die, havent you Transcended life?"

Cyrril wearily says to you, "One could argue that the underpinning stressors that cause their warlike culture may well be addressed by post-death existence."

Zynell says, "Or worsen with overepopulations."

You ask Nsar, "But would all sentient creatures be included?"

Elurora quietly asks, "What makes something sentient?"

Cyrril wearily says, "There are some perhaps incorrect premises here, too. There is nothing to say one 'can't' die under this theoretical model, not to mention that any number of other changes could potentially be affected through Transcendent use of the Art..."

Kretona quietly says, "I don't know about you, but I am."

Gridaksma says, "Too much of this relies on imprecise wording."

Eyst says, "I think it's a rather specific concern about a decidedly unspecific end."

Melindrha says to Elurora, "If it's merely thought, I'd like to introduce you to a few adventurers who don't qualify."

Yvela says, "I think much of what Kigot wrote was an all-too-idealistic dogma from a scorned cleric desperate for a high road he could take against the Temple. But the proofs that he based his Philosophy around, the proofs within the Alchemy of Flesh.. I do think there's truth there."

You say to Eyst, "Yes, very unspecific. Hence my conclusion that its an incorrect and unattainable goal. Protecting the Provinces from other predatory races? That is something you can feel, and understand."

You ask Yvela, "Then the Philosophy should be revised, yes?"

Gridaksma asks, "What death is overcome in your vision? All death, death related to age and disease? Death from the hands of another transcendant being?"

Cyrril wearily asks, "If I may... Nefis, do I understand you correctly that your primary thrust here is that we, as practioniers of this Art, should come together in the contemporary and agree on short-term, material good deeds to pursue, together?"

You say to Gridaksma, "That is the stated expectation from Book, yes."

You say to Cyrril, "Yes, in part."

Harlowe says, "That seems a barely thought out goal.."

Gridaksma says, "I would fear the Bone Lord a lot more if you speak of no escape through death. Marstan learned that lesson first hand."

You ask Gridaksma, "From what I've read of the Bone Elves, Sidhlot at least takes care of his people. Is this not a Great Work for them?"

You ask, "Is that what Trascendence looks like?"

Eyst asks you, "I would say any sufficiently grandiose goal could be taken apart in a similar manner. Your example, safeguarding the realm. What is the end goal of that? Can one keep a people utterly safe from themselves? If I say this is an unattainable goal then should all our would-be heroes pack up their swords and shields?"

Gridaksma asks you, "Have you stood before him when his attention is focused upon you?"

You say to Gridaksma, "I have never met him, no."

Gridaksma says, "His views don't always align with those you shared."

Gridaksma says, "Who his people are changes as his needs do."

Nsar says, "Alignment and adjacence are necessary at times but hardly mandatory."

You say to Eyst, "But its at least is something that can be quantified. Safe from external threats? Fed, social justice? These are things we can know and understand."

Ruecolle says, "If I may, speaking as an outsider..."

Cyrril wearily says, "Well, I am certainly happy ot assent to some good works projects."

Eyst says to you, "Well, then it would sound as if the Philosophers have made no quantifiable progress at all. Though by Yvela's own accounts and retellings of Osven's it isn't exactly the case."

Ruecolle says, "It hardly seems of import to me whether one kingdom, one race or another rises or falls when you're about the business of poking holes in reality."

You say to Gridaksma, "Do you speak in aligning with good? I can't say I have met a Bone elf at all, but the potential is likely there for Sidhlot to *do* good, were the action of importance to him."

Lyndrel asks Ruecolle, "What reality do you speak of?"

You ask Ruecolle, "What guild are you, may I ask?"

Gridaksma asks you, "He was once a Wind Elf, are they still his people?"

Ruecolle says to Lyndrel, "The plane of abiding."

You say to Ruecolle, "I'd hazard to say that there is no one person or guild guilty of such things."

You say to Gridaksma, "I would say likely not. the same as the Mountain elves no longer are."

Cyrril wearily says to Lyndrel, "It is well documented in magical theory that all acts of Sorcery are to some extent deleterious to the 'fabric' of Abiding."

Gridaksma says, "He was never truly a child of Elamiri."

Ruecolle says to you, "All sorcery is destructive, and I understand little enough but yours is plainly particularly so."

Ruecolle says, "I am an apprentice of the Tezirites. A moon mage."

Gridaksma asks, "If you claim this great work is truly to throw off the shackles of the gods would it not require those be removed from all?"

Cyrril wearily says to Ruecolle, "Funny enough, the bulk of our Art is best classified as High Sorcery -- which is, in fact, less brashly violent with regards to the well-being of the plane."

You say to Gridaksma, "I made no claims to that point? Tribes can change."

Nsar asks, "A Tezirite chastising someone about toying with the planes?"

Ruecolle says, "I'm not chastising anyone."

Ruecolle says, "I'm saying you probably ought to commit to it and leave the temporal heroics to the Warrior Mages."

Ruecolle says, "Er--that is--respectfully, I mean."

Lyndrel asks, "Interesting, the same plane of abiding that allows you to be resurrected through favor?"

You say to Ruecolle, "Ah yes, who inadvertantly allowed Maelshyve into the plane."

Nsar says, "A novel, if not grossly naive, idea."

Gridaksma says, "Sidhlot once said the main difference between his granting life to undead and ressurection was that what he brought back was useful to him."

You say to Gridaksma, "A man forged of his circumstances, no doubt."

Gridaksma says, "There are those who have created undead that are not of your ilk."

Melindrha says, "Useful to him doesn't mean useful to everyone or even anyone else."

Gridaksma says, "Those whos souls burn so brightly the gods themselves stay their hands."

You say, "I don't intend to say that Sidhlot is the prime example of all we can be. Merely that he represents a level of power that is attainable. Without Book's Method. And has lasted *much* longer and done much more."

Zynell asks, "Does the attunement ritual also serve as a test of personal strength?"

Gridaksma says, "Emuin found a way to teach without the attunement ritual."

You ask Gridaksma, "Teach necromancy? Perhaps they attuned naturally then, hmm?"

Gridaksma asks you, "They don't teach you about his acolytes?"

Eyst says, "I think we would have to know more about what Sidhlot has done for his power. Especially when we have been speaking about what good one might do with it."

You ask Gridaksma, "What acolytes do you refer to?"

Yvela says, "If you're referring to those Redeemed lot, then their attunement never vanishes. They remain just as "broken" as the rest of us."

Yvela says, "Just ask him."

Gridaksma says to you, "The ones he taught to control the undead, though his method wasn't as strong as he originally thought."

Cyrril wearily says, "The benefit of the Book method is flexibility, which is a valuable trait when the Work progresses towards an unseen and unknown future form."

Gridaksma says, "So many forget that these great paragons of necromancy aren't legends to some of us."

Miskton asks you, "So these proposed good acts... What role might you see for the involvement of the beings you have categorized as the Profane Pantheon?"

Lyndrel says to Yvela, "'broken', a label used by those who lack perspective and understanding."

Gridaksma says, "Broken is likely accurate, there is a trade off for your power."

You say to Miskton, "Personally, I see them as an equalizing factor. Though, Everyone will not have the same perspective as I. Nor should they."

Cyrril wearily says to Lyndrel, "In a literal sense, however, it is correct, in that the change is irreverisble and in violation of the natural anatomy of our species."

Zynell says, "There is a trade for most power."

Gridaksma says to Zynell, "Some pay a much lower price."

You say to Lyndrel, "One could argue that we were broken beforehand. We all chose to sacrifice our souls for power in one way or another."

Yvela says, "You can't subvert nature by playing by its rules. It's this unnatural methodology that "breaks" us."

Zynell says to Gridaksma, "You also get what you pay for in some instances."

Gridaksma asks, "So I traded some perceived reputation for true power?"

Zynell says, "I do not know what you traded."

Lyndrel says, "It goes to the earlier point someone made, living in the plane of abiding. Abide is to accept rules made by others, such a shortsighted view in my opinion."

Gridaksma says, "I've created undead, I've given life back serving the temple. I've spent time in the presence of demons and gods alike, and yet I can still stand in the light of the gods."

You say to Gridaksma, "But neither do you believe in upsetting the natural cycle."

Gridaksma asks you, "What is the natural cycle?"

Gridaksma says, "We Elves are not as tied to this fear of death."

You say, "Of Life and death, you operate within the structure created by the Immortals."

Yvela says, "Amusingly, the vast majority of undead aren't the creation of necromancy. The Immortals use undeath for their own designs as well."

Tunba says, "Maybe the gods from elsewhere and the gods from here kill each other. No gods, no demons. Leave the fields to produce or not on the merit of those who tend."

Cyrril wearily says to Yvela, "Yes, they simply dislike mere mortals laying hands upon 'Their' rightful tools."

Lyndrel says to you, "Yes, that is my point. We accept living by that structure, and in the end abide by their rules."

Gridaksma asks, "But do we live by their rules or our own by accepting them?"

Miskton says to Yvela, "'Undead' does not necessarily mean that the mecanisms involved in their creation are all the same, however."

You say to Lyndrel, "It doesn't have to be so. Every necromancer has proven that to a degree."

Yvela says to Miskton, "I imagine you're right. The same, or similar result, achieved by different means."

Gridaksma says, "Before my less necromantic fellows get too worried, the Temple knows full well of my history and have tested my soul and found no flaw."

Melindrha asks, "Besides ego?"

Gridaksma says to Melindrha, "Not a flaw."

Gridaksma says, "If you seek power, seek power. Trying to claim it is to right some injustice is a way of soothing one's own thoughts."

Nsar says to Gridaksma, "I can't imagine you would've made it this long and seen the things you did without the acceptance of their favor. That puts you wholly in the realm of playing by their rules regardless of want to spin it otherwise."

Lyndrel says to you, "Yes, exactly. The Great Work, however you define it, shows that there is more out there we are capable of understanding."

Gridaksma says to Nsar, "The way you speak is you just want to trade one master for another."

Nsar says to Gridaksma, "Oh no, I seek to rid myself of all influence. Completely."

You say to Lyndrel, "Perhaps so. But in the meantime, perhaps it would be better focusing on something a little closer to our understanding, yes."

Cyrril wearily says, "It is certainly wise to undertake good works in the short term."

Gridaksma says to Nsar, "The freedom comes in death itself."

Zehira says, "He should know death."

Cyrril wearily says, "I myself have been toying with the notion of implementing synthetic alchemy for medical purposes..."

Gridaksma says, "Welcome it, if removing all influence is truly the goal."

Tunba says, "No freedom in death. Just judgment. Judgment based on their own lies."

Yvela asks you, "I'm curious what your personal interest in this is. You left the Philosophy because its goals were unobtainable by your imagining. Are you suggesting that you might return to a restructured organization?"

Gridaksma says, "Watching Marstan, a powerful necromancer in his own right have his will completely subverted by Sidhlot was terrible and eye opening."

You say, "I'm suggesting a revision. I have my reasons for seeking out the help of the Profane. It does not mean that I am not interested in making things better for others as well."

Lyndrel says to you, "It's the freedom of thought that is so aspiring. We shouldn't be afraid to question."

Yvela says, "A revision you have no interest in partaking in? That makes your suggestions sound rather hollow."

You say, "I've mentioned before that the Manifold has made me aware of *something else* out there that it is afraid of. It is probably best that everyone takes that under consideration."

Cyrril wearily says, "Well, we can at least cooperate on our Good Works event if Nefis no longer pursues what we would organizationally call the Great Work."

Cyrril wearily says, "Even if, that is."

You say to Yvela, "I have seldom been an agressor in any of the events that have evolved across the realms. I react to protect what is important to me."

Yvela says, "Oh, I do believe your self interest is your top priority. Call me sceptical that this dissection of the Philosophy comes from your good intentions for everyone else."

Lyndrel says to Cyrril, "Yes, freedom to explore these ideas. I'd argue those that can't see that are the broken ones."

Gridaksma says to you, "Book is a child playing with a striker. Seek out the campfires instead."

Cyrril wearily says to Lyndrel, "I agree completely! We are merely mixing up similar terms."

Yvela asks you, "You mentioned something that disturbed me. Indoctrination of people into the Philosophy? Care to expand on that?"

Zehira says to Zynell, "I have decided I will have a diner party."

You ask Yvela, "And you find it surprising that my self-interest coincides with helping others on occasion?"

Zynell exclaims, "Wonderful!"

Zynell says, "Dinner parties are such fun."

Nsar asks Gridaksma, "Not that I disagree with the assessment, but who do you have in mind?"

You ask Yvela, "Did you intitially join book due to belief in the Great Work?"

Yvela says to you, "I joined because I was indignant at the state of the world, and the Philosophy seemed to offer an answer."

You say, "You've already been indoctrinated."

Gridaksma says to Nsar, "I'm suggesting setting course on a more powerful beacon, not on paths only studied."

Lyndrel says to Yvela, "This philosophy, it's important to understand, but don't limit yourself."

Gridaksma says, "Authors only tell the stories they want to, not necissarily the whole truth."

Yvela says to you, "There's quite a difference between being an attractive solution to peoples' grievences and luring in people who wouldn't otherwise be involved."

You say to Yvela, "Interested people should learn the benefits and costs of necromancy. Any school of art instructs to its benefit."

Cyrril wearily says, "I might caution against considering the works of Kigot or the trainings and teachings of Book as too monolithically central to the Philosophy. The Philosophy is a living thing, a great lake of wisdom and thought and practice that swirls not only with ancient knowledge but with modern innovation."

Nsar asks Zehira, "I suppose this has run its course and I expect you have words. Shall we?"

Cyrril wearily says, "However, I do absolutely agree that it makes more sense to have more truthful information out and accessible."

You say, "Central to the Philosophy is Book's role as the Triumphant, the one expected to teach and mentor to transcendence."

Cyrril wearily says to you, "Of course. But centrality is not sole importance."

Cyrril wearily says, "None can deny Book's power, mastery, and depth of knowledge. But Book is not the Philosophy, merely a key part of its many-faceted beauty."

Lyndrel says to Cyrril, "I couldn't agree more, let's debate these ideas. There is so much more out there to know."

Cyrril wearily exclaims to Lyndrel, "You simply must attend the next Forum!"

You ask, "Well, hopefully we've all had a lot to think about. Perhaps it is time to convene?"

Cyrril wearily says, "I've had a delightful time."

You say, "Its been a long night, with spirited conversation."

Lyndrel says, "Yes, I as well. Such a great discussion."

Cyrril wearily exclaims, "Before we part, though!"

Ruecolle says, "I came here to learn, and I leave satisfied. You all have my gratitude."

You say to Gridaksma, "I appreciate your input. One day, I would learn more of Sidhlot."

Eyst says, "It has been an interesting discussion."

Cyrril wearily asks, "Perhaps we should take a moment to consider potential good works that we can all agree would make sense to undertake?"

Melindrha says, "He was a jerk."

Gridaksma says, "I am easy enough to find."

Gridaksma says to Melindrha, "He is a tad nicer to those who share heritage, just a touch."

Yvela says to Cyrril, "Perhaps a topic better suited for the Forum."

Melindrha says to Gridaksma, "Given where I was living at the time..."

Cyrril wearily exclaims, "Very well, then I shall append that to my ideas for tomorrow's discussion!"

You say to Cyrril, "I have never attended one of these...perhaps I shall stop by."

Lyndrel says, "Thank you all, this has been enlightening."

Cyrril wearily says to you, "I would be honored to have a colleague of such storied ability swing by."

Itzcaque calmly says, "Yes, thank you."

You say, "Thank you all, once again for coming. I'm surprised there weren't knives in the shadows at such open discussion."

Eyst says, "A good evening to you all."

Cyrril wearily says, "When there are enough of us together, it may prove difficult to mount an assault."

Kretona says, "Just a low level warmage who thinks his protective spells are of value."

Yvela asks Cyrril, "See you at the forum, then. Will it be right here?"

Cyrril wearily says, "I hope you all have a wonderufl evening."

Cyrril wearily says, "Indeed. We seem to have made a bit of a haunt of the place."

Harlowe says, "Interesting talks."

Lyndrel says to Cyrril, "Pleasure to meet you."

Itzcaque calmly says, "Safe paths all."