Talk:Ranger trail system
Old info
Added the listings I have for the trails, but it's been well over a year since I've played a Ranger so some of the data may be outdated. My Dirge to Haven Ferry data duplicated the Dirge to Kaerna data, so it's possible the Dirge>Kaerna is the wrong one if someone's able to double check those locations.
-Glimmereyes 21:56, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
Linking Ranger Trails to Ranik Maps
Had an idea that if we can number the entries in the Ranger Trail list and have those numbers correspond to the Ranik map where the trail can be found. We could pick 2 colors for the spot on the map (one color for entrance and one for exit) and put the corresponding number for the trail in there. --Connor 13:55, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- That sounds reasonable. I was planning on doing a similiar thing with coloring and just plan clicking on that room would take you to the end. Only request I have about numbers is to make them 100, 101, etc. so that they don't conflict with maps already having numbers on them. Problem with that, though is that it will not fit in the room-box. Would just two different colors be sufficient? If people are on the map, they know at least that there is a trail there or not.--Lyathe 13:39, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- I'm not sure. Some maps have multiple trails, it might get confusing as to which spot they get dropped off at. Maybe we can use alpha-numberic like T1? --Connor 13:55, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- That'd probably work. Just try to keep things with 2 characters because 3 will go out of the box. I understand there are like 130 trails now? Would like a subnumber on an alpha work for folks? Like T1a, T1a for two trailheads starting on the same map, T1b, T1b. Where the big letter signifies trailhead 1, 2, etc. starting off the same map, number & letter combo in sub is specific to the trail ie trailnumber + a(start) or b(end). Or something less confusing?--Lyathe 14:07, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- Honestly, I don't have the foggiest idea how you just did that. According to Zeryun (sp?) there are now 70 trails in the world. Maybe instead of putting them inside the box (which is sounding more and more difficult to accomplish) we can color code the box and make a note as to which one it is (-T1) like on some of those italicized items on some of the maps? Connor 14:16, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- Something like this. File:Trailsample.gif The top two are what I'm leaning towards. A right arrow would be away from this map, a left arrow into this map. Can also stick to letters like the bottom two. For readability the letters will be moved out of the box.--Lyathe 14:31, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- I like this idea. Maybe we can incorporate both. The "T" for where the trail starts with the corresponding trail number next to it, and then an arrow like you have with the same number signifying the exit. What do you think?Connor 14:35, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- That sounds reasonable and easy to understand(even for map-challenged rangers ;) ). Question is, now, how hard it'll be to assign numbers to the trails and make it easy to keep consistant with people adding trails to the list still.--Lyathe 14:51, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- That's a good question. We'll need to add a field to the template for "Trail Number". I don't know if adding an entry will let the field auto increment, we may have to edit frequently in order to assign them numbers. My hope is that people will see and understand the pattern and start adding the correct sequential number to the list. Feels like I'm not explaining that right --Connor 15:00, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- So what do you think the numbering system should be? T1 - T70 or 100 to 170? --Connor 11:53, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- That's a good question. We'll need to add a field to the template for "Trail Number". I don't know if adding an entry will let the field auto increment, we may have to edit frequently in order to assign them numbers. My hope is that people will see and understand the pattern and start adding the correct sequential number to the list. Feels like I'm not explaining that right --Connor 15:00, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- That sounds reasonable and easy to understand(even for map-challenged rangers ;) ). Question is, now, how hard it'll be to assign numbers to the trails and make it easy to keep consistant with people adding trails to the list still.--Lyathe 14:51, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- I like this idea. Maybe we can incorporate both. The "T" for where the trail starts with the corresponding trail number next to it, and then an arrow like you have with the same number signifying the exit. What do you think?Connor 14:35, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- Something like this. File:Trailsample.gif The top two are what I'm leaning towards. A right arrow would be away from this map, a left arrow into this map. Can also stick to letters like the bottom two. For readability the letters will be moved out of the box.--Lyathe 14:31, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- Honestly, I don't have the foggiest idea how you just did that. According to Zeryun (sp?) there are now 70 trails in the world. Maybe instead of putting them inside the box (which is sounding more and more difficult to accomplish) we can color code the box and make a note as to which one it is (-T1) like on some of those italicized items on some of the maps? Connor 14:16, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- That'd probably work. Just try to keep things with 2 characters because 3 will go out of the box. I understand there are like 130 trails now? Would like a subnumber on an alpha work for folks? Like T1a, T1a for two trailheads starting on the same map, T1b, T1b. Where the big letter signifies trailhead 1, 2, etc. starting off the same map, number & letter combo in sub is specific to the trail ie trailnumber + a(start) or b(end). Or something less confusing?--Lyathe 14:07, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
- I'm not sure. Some maps have multiple trails, it might get confusing as to which spot they get dropped off at. Maybe we can use alpha-numberic like T1? --Connor 13:55, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
What's your number?
Well, if we use the marker T and <- in the room itself, using T1-T70 would be fine.--Lyathe 12:31, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Clever thread title LOL. Ok, so how should I go about this? Do I just start by changing the table to add the numbers? I don't want to start getting a bunch of hate messages on my talk page cuz I did something wrong. Connor 13:02, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- You need to change the RTS template first, then add what you added to the template to the page ie section for numbers on each trail.--Lyathe 13:20, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Added Trail Numbers to the table for reference on Ranik's Maps
- Yay! I'll add a set of the trails to a map and see how people like them.--Lyathe 14:02, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Thanks for your help. --Connor 14:22, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- No problem! I've added trails for the Leth area to the maps, if someone could test that the trailends are showing correctly on the maps. Also I need the trail start for IT near the gondola added to the list.--Lyathe 15:23, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Thanks for your help. --Connor 14:22, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Yay! I'll add a set of the trails to a map and see how people like them.--Lyathe 14:02, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Added Trail Numbers to the table for reference on Ranik's Maps
- You need to change the RTS template first, then add what you added to the template to the page ie section for numbers on each trail.--Lyathe 13:20, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
Hey Guys!
Thanks for all the help on this page, as a non-ranger(well i'm not anymore anyways) there wasn't much i could do besides set it up for you guys to get the ball rolling and you sure have gotten it rolling.
I fixed the template (also added start room and end room to the table), i think it confused whoever tried to bandage it for the trail number, because they accidentally bumped off the marker. Ok, but on the same note i think it would probably be easier now to create a second table for the trail markers instead of including them in each row. If nobody says otherwise in the next 24 hours I am going to do just that.
Also, are they all added to the maps yet? because if they are i would just assume remove the 2 columns about room title and description, would make the table look A LOT better. Please let me know once all the ones in the table are on the maps.
Anything else you guys need feel free to keep posting here its on my watch list.--Rawkus 16:34, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Sorry about the template. What exactly are you thinking for the second table? I'd be interested in seeing what you have in mind. For the most part we should have what the marker is along with it's location for those that read the marker before they jump into it.--Connor 16:43, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- I was thinking that it would be pretty simple, 2 columns, 1 being Marker, the other being Trail destination or trail exit, for example Marker-> the sign of the horned horse, Destination -> Kaerna Village. Marker -> the form of an X, Destination -> Crossing. Etc.--Rawkus 16:47, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Sounds simple enough, but the other information you've provided is useful too, especially to those who aren't so good at reading maps. I'd like to get Lyathe's opinion on this.--Connor 16:55, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- I was thinking that it would be pretty simple, 2 columns, 1 being Marker, the other being Trail destination or trail exit, for example Marker-> the sign of the horned horse, Destination -> Kaerna Village. Marker -> the form of an X, Destination -> Crossing. Etc.--Rawkus 16:47, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
No, all the ones on there aren't added to the maps yet. I'm going to hit the ones in the Zoluren area next. Basically, if they aren't on this table or on the script, I can't add them. If you take the room desc out of the table, could you put a note to add the start/end desc to this page so that they can be added?--Lyathe 17:43, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- One thing that would help clean up the table, though, is to combine the room title with the room desc. There is no real need for them to be seperated?--Lyathe 17:44, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- While I am in Forfedhar I will attempt to mark down where the trails exist there. There are 2 areas that this will be difficult. The one(s) that are in Black Goblins and Apes as my setting foot in there will lead to my death and I do not yet have Nature's Canopy or an Inviso ring to get me safely through there. Working on it though.--Connor 17:49, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
- Ok combined the Room Title/Desc into one column, actually cleaned up the table decently, no more 12 lines in a row. Anything else that should be added?--Rawkus 00:30, 15 March 2008 (CDT)
- While I'm looking at it, combining the beginning room & beginning map then end room & end map would probably make it look much better too. Unless you think people are going to be searching by map rather than town?--Lyathe 10:25, 15 March 2008 (CDT)
- Ok combined the Room Title/Desc into one column, actually cleaned up the table decently, no more 12 lines in a row. Anything else that should be added?--Rawkus 00:30, 15 March 2008 (CDT)
- While I am in Forfedhar I will attempt to mark down where the trails exist there. There are 2 areas that this will be difficult. The one(s) that are in Black Goblins and Apes as my setting foot in there will lead to my death and I do not yet have Nature's Canopy or an Inviso ring to get me safely through there. Working on it though.--Connor 17:49, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
Forfedhar Trails
Ok so I was working on the trail locations in P5 when I found out my friend Zinaca was already doing it. Since she is almost done, I abandoned my end of it and will be trying to get hers from her.--Connor 12:40, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
Went ahead and added the endpoints for all the Boar Clan trails, and added in all the trails I was able to find by a room-to-room walkthrough of the surrounding areas (Apes, Gobs, Dryads, etc). --Yuoree 01:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
RTS numbering
There hasn't been much done here in several months, so I've taken the liberty to overhaul the numbering system. I've numbered trails by Province-letter prefix instead of the generic "T" so that trails can be added later without the numbers appearing drastically out of order. This looks a little odd with Ilithi trails (I4, I10, for example), but it's preferable to numbering them all in order of documentation, as we have been doing. I realize that some maps already have trails marked on them with the old numbering system, but I think it would be easier to update those than continue as we have. Plus, we can probably avoid 3-digit trails this way, as it's unlikely a single province will have that many. I've also corrected/updated a few trails, added all that I know of in Therengia, and added a few for Ilithi. I've updated the Trail Marker page, as well. I think having the table actually split into four different tables (one for each province) would make it easier to look at, but that could just be a personal issue. --hrodberacht 22:37, 14 October 2008
Just to clarify, the prefix is for the province of origin. Since very few maps contain territory in more than once province, trails indicated on maps will not need this prefix and can continue to be shown as they are now. --hrodberacht 19:14, 15 October 2008
So is the above what broke the system between Ranik's Maps and the trails listed here? Have the newer maps been created using the "new" trail numbering system, or would be people be okay with switching them back to how they were numbered before so that all of the Ranik maps aren't broken? --Ateles 17:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I can't speak for whomever has been adding trails to the maps, but I haven't been able to figure out which system is being used either. Either trails haven't been added to the maps in nearly two years, someone is going off a very old list of trails, or something else entirely. Please don't change them back, though! We have 121 trails currently, and there's likely to be rather more by the end of the year. Going back to the old system would just make a mess of things both in the maps and here on this page, as I wrote above. --Hrodberacht 18:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)