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Heriv Aetrevic
Status: Dead
Guild: Trader
Race: Human
Gender: Male
Associates: Takliek
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Takliek told him things about sniping in confidence that Heriv later told to others for coin. The five guildleaders of the Rangers already had known about sniping, but chose to keep it quiet. As a result of his secrets being exposed, Takliek is upset. Heriv's last words before he walked were "Fools! All of you!".


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Category Rangers -- The Ranger's Glade (19) Topic Ranger-related events (5) By TFROELICH from PLAY.NET (Scandi) On Feb 8, 2002 at 09:40 Subject Re: original sniping event (982)

Ok gonna run down what I know and what i have seen . It wont have too many details but i will do my best because i dont have total logs from being booted and such..

A trader named Heriv (who was employed by Takliek) came to the ranger guild seeking help. Claimed he was being hunted down by a Gorbesh Ranger named Takliek because he had information that he could use against him. A few rangers take Heriv under there wing and vow to help him.. Later in comes Takliek vowing to kill Heriv for betraying him and trying to profit off of his knowledge ( which we believed at the time was sniping but no one was too sure reason we thought that was because of Taklieks bow he wore). Rangers took sides others did too some defending Heriv some defending Takliek.. Takliek vowed to kill anyone who sheltered and protected Heriv., Dureing all this some Rangers that did defend Heriv we shot and some killed, Takliek swore the whole guild would pay.. Time went on and Heriv had gone to Kalika for shelter she turned him down said she could not shelter him and would not help him..Heriv also spoke of a few others he mentioned i think it was the other 5. Meaning guild leaders we all gathered he did mention a Paglar in his conversations. Well time went on and Takliek soon after took Xantana and myself and had a private conversation with us. He stated that he hadnt come to do anything but handle his business with Heriv and move on. He stated that he also helped our side during the war and he was not here to create an uproar. He was very sadened by what had happen with him attacking the other Rangers and stated his anger got the best of him and he was very sorry. He just wanted to deal with Heriv and leave. He stood by his words and still said that anyone who got in his way would be sorry, if they still chose to protect Heriv.More time passed and Heriv came back ... Mind you he never once said he wasnt guilty he was very much guilty knew he did wrong and knew he was in trouble.. He said so himself . Anyways.. Takliek showed up soon after and Heriv lead a group of his protectors out the NTR where everything pretty much came to an end .. people were all over the place some hunting down Takliek some after Heriv . all the while Takliek patiently stalking and laughing at Heriv knowing what was going to happen i supose.. needless to say Heriv was killed and walked the starry road and soon after Takliek was killed as well.. while he was dead and being raised he made ammends with some of the people who where against him and handed out gifts .. Last we heard he was off to speak with Kalika and havent seen or heard of him since...

I hope that helps some ..I think i pretty much summed it up

~Scandi~



Appearance

You see Heriv Aetrevic, a Human Trader.
He has grey eyes. He has thinning brown hair and pale skin.
He is in his prime for a Human.
He has some light stubble on his face.

He is wearing a long mesh weapon harness, a dark grey messenger's satchel reinforced with thick black leather, some polished black leather boots with silver buckles, some leather gloves, a leather mask, some hunting leathers, a tailored black silk shirt with silver cufflinks, some soft black velvet trousers clasped with carved onyx buttons, a small badge bearing the crest of the Trader Guild and a sapphire-studded platinum ring bearing the crest of the Trader's Guild.


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Category Rangers -- The Ranger's Glade (19) Topic Ranger Ramblings (4) By MOTLEYK from PLAY.NET (Tazsin) On Jan 25, 2002 at 16:06 Subject Meeting with Heriv the Trader (16542)

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You see Heriv Aetrevic, a Human Trader. He has grey eyes. He has thinning brown hair and pale skin. He is in his prime for a Human.

He has some light stubble on his face.

He has faint scuffing to the neck, faint scuffing to the right arm, some faint scars along the right arm, deep slashes across the right hand, deep slashes across the left hand, faint scuffing to the chest, cuts and bruises about the abdomen, faint scuffing to the back.

He is wearing a long mesh weapon harness, a dark grey messenger's satchel reinforced with thick black leather, some polished black leather boots with silver buckles, some leather gloves, a leather mask, some hunting leathers, a tailored black silk shirt with silver cufflinks, some soft black velvet trousers clasped with carved onyx buttons, a small badge bearing the crest of the Trader Guild and a sapphire-studded platinum ring bearing the crest of the Trader's Guild.

Xantana says, "of which, I must admit I am curious to know that the information is myself"

Xantana smiles at Heriv.

>lean xant

You lean on Xantana.

>Heriv says, "It seems me and drink do not mix well. I have said things to others that he told me in confidence. He is not happy with me right now."

Xantana says, "Heriv, this is a friend of mine Tazsin"

Heriv says, "I am but an honest trader....."

>smile heriv

You smile at Heriv.

Xantana says, "Tazsin, this is Heriv, the one Takliek spoke to us about"

>nod xant

You nod to Xantana.

>Heriv says, "I will do just about anything for coin and profit."

Heriv says, "hello Tazsin."

>'Not happy tis an understatement I would say

>You say, "Not happy tis an understatement I would say"

>You say, "ello"

>'Tis good ta meet ya

You say, "Tis good ta meet ya"

>'Way Takliek was talkin it an earth shatterin problem

Xantana says, "Tazsin, this is Heriv, the one Takliek spoke to us about"

You say, "Way Takliek was talkin it an earth shatterin problem"

>Xantana babbles incoherently.

>frownYou frown.

Heriv says, "It seems whereever I go, he is not far behind."

Xantana says, "sorry about that"

>Xantana blushes a splotchy, mottled color.

Heriv says, "It can be friend Tazsin"

>Heriv says, "Can we go south, tis abit busy here"

>Heriv smiles brightly, exuding confidence and charm.

>Xantana says, "aye"

>Xantana nods.

>Xantana holds hands with Heriv.

Xantana clasps your hand tenderly.

Xantana says, "be back"

>'I admit I curios ta know what so earth shatterin about dis informationYou say, "I admit I curios ta know what so earth shatterin about dis information"

[Wilds, Pine Needle Path] A well-trod path leads from a small open gateway in the town wall and heads into a grove of whispering pine. Lean, muscular figures stride by you briskly, some carrying longbows, others staves, and all garbed in muted tones of earth and forest. Also here: Heriv and Pathfinder Xantana. Obvious paths: north.

Xantana says, "aye, I am rather curious myself"

>'I admit I curios ta know what so earth shatterin about dis informationYou say, "I admit I curios ta know what so earth shatterin about dis information"

Xantana asks, "is there a chance perhaps that we can find out?"

Heriv says, "I will not say what it is.... just yet....."

scratch tazYou scratch your head.

>Heriv says, "My mouth has already gotten me in trouble with him."

Heriv says, "Let us just say"

Heriv says, "Your guild leaders are not going to be happy about it when they find out."

'Tis been da source of much speculation between me an Xant

>You say, "Tis been da source of much speculation between me an Xant"

>frownYou frown.

Xantana nods to you.

'Have ye talked ta Kalika about it?You ask, "Have ye talked ta Kalika about it?"

'Since I see ya be hereYou say, "Since I see ya be here"

observeYou look around, trying to appear nonchalant. [Wilds, Pine Needle Path] A well-trod path leads from a small open gateway in the town wall and heads into a grove of whispering pine. Lean, muscular figures stride by you briskly, some carrying longbows, others staves, and all garbed in muted tones of earth and forest. Also here: Heriv and Pathfinder Xantana. Obvious paths: north.

Heriv says, "Takliek is a left over from the wars so long ago..."

>Heriv says, "He was left here to gather information on the people here and such"

'Which wars?You ask, "Which wars?"

Xantana says, "we have a fairly good idea what it may be...but we do not wish to tell anyone because of the sensitivity of this matter".

Heriv says, "You of course know he is Gorbesh."

Xantana asks, "the Gorbesh wars?"

>Heriv says, "Aye"

>'Tis what I suspectedYou say, "Tis what I suspected"

Heriv says, "I have been...."

'I remembah da war here wif da gorbesh. Course I was vera young denYou say, "I remembah da war here wif da gorbesh. Course I was vera young den"

>Heriv says, "And I am sorry to say..."

Xantana asks, "you have aided him...?"

Heriv says, "Working for him in a way."

Heriv sighs.

Heriv says, "Aye"

Heriv says, "I am afraid me and coin go well together"

>Heriv says, "he does pay well"

>Xantana asks, "why do you work for him then? just the coin?"

>Heriv says, "I am a trader, that is my main concern. Profit"

>Heriv says, "he possesses a knowledge..."

Heriv says, "that could sway the way war and hunting is done." Heriv sighs.

>Xantana asks, "the knowledge that he is afraid of you spreading around.....that is the one you speak of?"

Heriv says, "Aye"

'an ye learned how ta use dis knoledge?You ask, "an ye learned how ta use dis knoledge?"

Heriv says, "NAe, my skills with weapons are meager."

Heriv says, "He has put trust in me, and I have ummm"

Heriv says, "let my couth run freely"

>Heriv says, "I should say mouth"

Heriv blushes a bright red color.

Xantana asks, "why would he share such vital information with a trader?"

Xantana gazes thoughtfully at Heriv.

>Xantana ponders.

>Heriv says, "It is not that he shared it"

>'I wondah why he share it at all if tis so

You say, "I wondah why he share it at all if tis so devastatin"

Xantana nods to you.

Heriv says, "I kinda picked it up from umm snooping.."

Heriv says, "Hoping to gain some coin from it."

>Xantana asks, "ahh......meaning you kind of....stole it in a way?"

>Heriv says, "But now that he knows that I know..."

Heriv says, "I am a threat to his existence here"

Heriv says, "Yes, let's just say I was listening at the right moment."

Heriv smiles brightly, exuding confidence and charm.

>Xantana asks, "perhaps you could speak to Kalika?"

>You chuckle.

Xantana asks, "is there a way she could help you?"

Heriv says, "I have considered that, but"

>'Well, dat part of how a trader make der livin. So can't fault ya for listenin but...You say, "Well, dat part of how a trader make der livin. So can't fault ya for listenin but..."

Heriv says, "The five will not be happy with what I shall say"

>Xantana asks, "the five?"

'Would it not be bettah ta get it ovah wif

>You say, "Would it not be bettah ta get it ovah wif"

>nod xant *

>You nod to Xantana.

>Heriv says, "The five ranger guild leaders."

>'Tis 5 guild leadahsYou say, "Tis 5 guild leadahs"

Xantana says, "ahh I see"

>Xantana blushes a splotchy, mottled color.

Heriv nods to you.

>Xantana says, "my apologies"

Xantana ponders.

>Heriv says, "Paglar and the dwarf will be most unhappy and"

'Wouldn't be best ta talk ta dem an see what dey say?You ask, "Wouldn't be best ta talk ta dem an see what dey say?"

Heriv says, "Kalika, well she will be the most unhappy about this"

>Xantana says, "from what Takliek said Kalika is very worried about this as well"

>'fer a tradah tis not good ta be on da runYou say, "fer a tradah tis not good ta be on da run"

Xantana nods to Heriv.

>Heriv says, "I shall think about it Tazsin, I am not ready to approach them as of yet."

Heriv says, "That is why I seek you rangers.."

Heriv says, "I am hoping for a safe haven with you"

Heriv says, "You see"

>Xantana asks, "who all have you spoken to about this knowledge, Heriv?"

>Heriv says, "Takliek is not a nice sort of fellow to cross."

'Well, I nae mind helpin some one in need ta negotiate. But me knoledge of what things are be a lil small ta know what I

You say, "Well, I nae mind helpin some one in need ta negotiate. But me knoledge of what things are be a lil small ta know what I negotiatin"

>Heriv says, "No one as of yet. I have just learned from sources that he has followed me here to this province."

nod herivYou nod to Heriv.

'We spoke wif him several days agoYou say, "We spoke wif him several days ago"

>Xantana says, "well Tazsin and I would be glad to help in any way"

>'He was most anxious ta find yeYou say, "He was most anxious ta find ye"

Heriv says, "I wish I could speak of what I know Tazsin, but, I fear if I do..."

>Xantana nods to you.

>Heriv says, "Your lives will be void.."

Heriv says, "He is not one to cross."

>'I do what I will wif me own life. Tis not fer othtahs ta decide for me

You say, "I do what I will wif me own life. Tis not fer othtahs ta decide for me"

Xantana asks, "did you want Tazsin and I to go with you when you meet with Takliek?"

>Heriv says, "I am afraid with what he knows dear ranger, you may not have a choice."

>Heriv sighs.

'Well, how about few of us der ta keep da hostilities down?You ask, "Well, how about few of us der ta keep da hostilities down?"

>lXantana says, "and I feel as Tazsin does....me life is me own"

Heriv says, "The five know of this, that I speak of. And only a few others around the lands."

'I nae a novice when comes ta a fight. An I could find a few friends ta help out>You say, "I nae a novice when comes ta a fight. An I could find a few friends ta help out"

>Heriv says, "Sadly, Takliek is a master of it."

Xantana says, "I am sure that Grenhart would like to join us.....perhaps Sammee even...and Sammee is one of the biggest rangers in the realms"

Heriv says, "I thank you friend Tazsin, but as of right now, all I can ask is that you deny knowing or seeing me."

Xantana ponders.

>Heriv frets.

Xantana says, "we already told Takliek that we would pass on the message...."

>Elddric asks, "deny who where?"

lean eld>Heriv nods to Xantana.

>You lean on Elddric.

>Heriv says, "I do thank you for that, but I will not go to him alone"

>'Heriv here got some information dat tis ratha sensitive it

You say, "Heriv here got some information dat tis ratha sensitive it seem"

>Xantana says, "and he is smart enough to know that we of course would ask you about this information you have

Elddric asks, "oh?"

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

>Xantana says, "so we are already in danger, Tazsin and I that is"

Heriv says, "I fear my time is short, he will find me."

'Aye, if Takliek what ye say he may thing we know more den we do now

Elddric strokes his beard in thoughtful contemplation.

>You say, "Aye, if Takliek what ye say he may thing we know more den we do now"

Xantana says, "you come to us for help, and we will give it to you as best we can"

>'err thinkYou say, "err think"

Xantana nods to you.

>Heriv says, "The shadow brothers may need to know of this also."

>Xantana says, "that is the point I was trying to make"

Heriv says, "I shall think on it."

Heriv ponders.

Elddric coughs.

>You notice Heriv slip into a hiding place.

Xantana frowns.

>'Da shadow brothas should know also?

>You ask, "Da shadow brothas should know also?"

Xantana says, "he is in hiding"

>nodYou nod.

>'I saw

>You say, "I saw em"

>You hear the voice of Heriv say, "Those of the shadow guild."

>Elddric searches around for a moment.

>Heriv frets.

>Elddric searches around for a moment.

>Xantana says, "Virge is a friend Heriv"

>'WOuld it really be good ta tell dem?You ask, "WOuld it really be good ta tell dem?"

>You hear the ghostly voice of Johhnie say, "i'm dead"

>Xantana says, "not all in the shadowguild are dishonorable"

>You ask, "If dis so earth shatterin?"

Xantana asks, "Darkie would you drag Johhnie to clerics?" Heriv says, "If..."

Xantana says, "when Val is through with him that is"

>'Tis true, I guess dat fer Kalag ta decide

Xantana smiles.

You say, "Tis true, I guess dat fer Kalag ta decide"

Heriv says, "Word of this leaks out, then I fear all out lives are forfeit."

Heriv sighs.

>Heriv says, "I speak with a tied tongue."

>Xantana asks, "so why not let us aid you and go with you to the meeting then Heriv?"

Virge asks, "what we all talkin about?"

Xantana says, "we were just telling our friend Heriv about how not all teefs are dishonorable"

Heriv says, "let me think on this kind Xantana. I do not wish to put your lives in danger for naught."

Xantana smiles at Virge.

>'Aye, do let us know. I know help could be had ta help protect yeYou say, "Aye, do let us know. I know help could be had ta help protect ye"

>Xantana says, "as you wish Heriv......but as Tazsin adn I already pointed out, ours are already in danger"

>Heriv says, "I know that the shadow guild has honorable members. I am saying that this knowledge will impact them also."

Virge exclaims, "yeah right, scum of Elanthia they are!"

>Virge snickers.

>Xantana pokes Virge in the ribs.

>Heriv says, "I fear I have spoke to much."

>Xantana says, "forgive Virge.....I think he got into the catnip this morn"

>Xantana chuckles.

Heriv glances around nervously

Xantana just nudged Virge.

Virge says, "I always like this."

Xantana grins at Virge.

'Well, ye will need ta talk ta talk soonah or latah

>You say, "Well, ye will need ta talk to takli soonah or latah"

'an da guild leadahsYou say, "an da guild leadahs"

>Elddric nods.

>Xantana nods to you.

>'I be willin ta be der ta help keep da

You say, "I be willin ta be der ta help keep da peace"

Xantana says, "as will I"

>Xantana nods to Heriv.

A small child runs in and whispers something to Heriv. He bows then runs out with a startled look on his face.

Heriv frets.

>Heriv says, "I fear he is near friends."

Heriv says, "I must seek refuge."

Trevinlee asks, "who?"

Xantana asks, "that contact was from him?"

>Heriv says, "Nae, that was from a friend of mine."

(Elddric leans over and whispers to tazsin , "if you need me , call")

>nod eldYou nod to Elddric.

>'I sure tis many dat would help uslYou say, "I sure tis many dat would help us"

>Heriv says, "I must meet with him. He offers a place to rest. I shall be in touch with you all. Please do not let Takleik know that I am near."

Xantana says, "aye there is"

>Xantana asks, "shall we at least tell him that we delivered the message and that you agree to meet with him?"

>Heriv says, "On our next meeting I may offer more information."

Xantana says, "he said that you would know where he meant"

Heriv says, "If you do that, he will know for sure I am around town."

>Heriv frets.

'Dat would be appreciated. I would feel bettah about knowin more >You say, "Dat would be appreciated. I would feel bettah about knowin more"

>Xantana says, "I do not like to lie good sir......."

>Xantana frowns.

Heriv says, "I understand. Do as you must..."

'I nae dat way meself. But creative answers maybe

>You say, "I nae dat way meself. But creative answers maybe"

>Xantana nods to you.

>Xantana says, "now that I can do"

>Xantana grins at you.

Xantana chuckles.

Elddric chuckles.

Heriv says, "I shall be in contact with you. Hopefully I can fix this before we all end up dead."

>l heriv You see Heriv Aetrevic, a Human Trader. He has grey eyes. He has thinning brown hair and pale skin. He is in his prime for a Human. He has some light stubble on his face.

He has faint scuffing to the neck, faint scuffing to the right arm, some faint scars along the right arm, deep slashes across the right hand, deep slashes across the left hand, faint scuffing to the chest, cuts and bruises about the abdomen, faint scuffing to the back.

He is wearing a long mesh weapon harness, a dark grey messenger's satchel reinforced with thick black leather, some polished black leather boots with silver buckles, some leather gloves, a leather mask, some hunting leathers, a tailored black silk shirt with silver cufflinks, some soft black velvet trousers clasped with carved onyx buttons, a small badge bearing the crest of the Trader Guild and a sapphire-studded platinum ring bearing the crest of the Trader's Guild.

>With a flick of his wrist and a captivating smile on his face, Heriv bows with poise and unrivaled dignity.

>Virge asks, "why we all gunna be dead?"

Virge scratches his head.

>Heriv says, "Be well rangers and thanks for listening."

Xantana says, "we will be waiting to hear from you"

Elddric waves to Heriv.

Xantana bows to Heriv.

Heriv waves.

>You step forward with a sweeping bow, causing your greatcloak to swirl around you.

>Elddric says, "good travels to you."

Xantana says, "safe paths, Heriv"

>Heriv went through an open gateway.


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Category Rangers -- The Ranger's Glade (19) Topic Ranger Ramblings (4) By FALKONISDR from PLAY.NET On Jan 27, 2002 at 17:05 Subject Huge happenings in crossings (16599)

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You bow to Kalika.

Kalika asks, "Yes?"

Heriv says, "i did odd jobs for him"

Kalika nods to you.

Heriv says, "It seems my love for coin has been my undoing."

Heriv sighs.

Kalika rolls her eyes.

Kalika says, "Typical."

Kalika asks, "What do you want me to do about it?"

Heriv says, "I have come to tell you what I know and to seek protection from Takliek."

Kalika gazes at Heriv.

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

Kalika asks, "Tell me what you know...?"

Heriv says, "I have overstepped myself now it seems."

Ralttom says, "He is a powerful ranger, Heriv"

Heriv says, "I...."

Kalika squints at Heriv.

Heriv says, "Overheard him and a few of his contacts talking one night..."

Heriv says, "They did not know I was around..."

Heriv says, "he has brought a forbidden skill to this land..."

Heriv says, "Very deadly"

Kalika narrows her eyes.

Heriv says, "The 5 know of it, you included."

Heriv says, "It is called sniping."

Kalika glares at Heriv.

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

Ralttom blinks.

Heriv says, "He has shown it to sevreal of his contacts."

Heriv says, "They now spread the word"

Heriv nods.

Kalika says, "We will not speak of that here."

Heriv says, "But great Mistress."

Kalika says, "No, get out."

Heriv says, "He is terribluy mad."

Kalika says, "You have brought this upon yourself, "humble" trader."

Heriv exclaims, "I ask protection from you!"

Heriv bows to Kalika and begins groveling! With a quivering voice, Heriv begs Kalika to show mercy and kindness for his inexcusable actions!

Kalika folds her arms across her chest.

Ralttom says, "Kalika"

Kalika gazes at Ralttom.

You say, "Kalika"

Heriv exclaims, "Kind lady, please reconsider!"

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

Kalika glances at Heriv.

You say, "I do think we as rangers should hear em out"

Kalika says, "He speaks of things he should not know."

Heriv sighs.

You ask, "why should we not know of things?"

Heriv says, "i but overheard it madam."

You say, "ingnorance is never wise"

Kalika says, "I am bound to protect the rest of you, and to harbor this trader would not be in the best interests of the guild."

Heriv frets.

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

Heriv says, "Mistress, i humble request you reconsider. Takliek will kill me for sure."

You say, "tis true Heriv"

You say, "greed is a terrible thing"

Kalika says, "Indeed, greed is a terrible thing."

Heriv sighs.

Kalika says, "And such is the result of his choices."

Kalika says, "It sounds to me more like he is just scared."

You say, "very true"

You say, "rangers are a powerful guild"

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

You say, "and should be... respected"

Kalika nods to you.

Heriv says, "Mistress Kalika, Iknow that this is a strange request and I do not blame you for shunning me after what I have done."

Kalika says, "Not some nursemaid to someone who has already sold out."

Heriv says, "It took nerve for me to come to you like this. I have no choice in the matter now. My life is foreit"

Kalika asks, "Why not turn to your own guild?"

Heriv says, "becasue great one. This concerns the rangers and the shadow guild."

Kalika glances at Heriv.

Heriv says, "I cannot seek the thieves of this town."

Kalika asks, "Is there any other guilds you wish to involve in this?"

>You ask, "theives?"

Heriv says, "Some work for him."

Kalika folds her arms across her chest.

Heriv says, "The only two guilds this skill involves now are the rangers and the thieves, Mistress."

Kalika glances at Heriv.

Heriv says, "Takliek has vowed to destry all who have heard of this knowledge I have just told you."

Heriv says, "I fear he is not far behind me."

Kalika says, "So that would mean you have brought that upon the rest of us here."

Heriv says, "yes madam, I fear I have done that."

Dregonard asks, "i came late for this knowledge what knowledge be it that may cost us our lives?"

Kalika glances at Dregonard.

Kalika says, "It might be best you do not know."

Heriv says, "I know that the five have outlawed the knowledge of sniping in this land."

Heriv says, "I am sorry for tell ing others of it."

Kalika exclaims, "And yet you bring it here!"

You ask, "Kalika might I ask why sniping has been banned from your teaching to us?"

Kalika says, "I cannot tell you some things, Falkonis, for your own good."

You say, "understood M'lady"

Heriv says, "Please madam, shelter me this once, I have learned my lesson"

Kalika says, "Heriv, I believe I have said what I needed to say. Begone now."

A tear runs down Heriv's face.

With a flick of his wrist, Heriv bows towards Kalika, his eyes never leaving her, a captivating smile on his face as he regards her with poise and unrivaled dignity.

Kalika says, "You brought this upon yourself. Remember that."

Heriv says, "As you wish madam, I am truly sorry."

Heriv just went out.

Kalika nods to you.

Kalika says, "You must do as you must."

Kalika says, "As must I."

alika says, "I have to ponder this. I must speak to the other 4."

Kalika nods to you all.

Guildmaster Kalika just went out.