Battle Praxium/Logs/20260821 Praxium Lecture Series: Stats

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You say, "Okay, we'll get started. Small class tonight, but that's expected given the impromptu nature of the scheduling."

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You exclaim, "Good evening, everyone!"

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You smile.

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Warbrolus gestures at you.

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Tingen waves to you.

>You say, "Welcome to the first of the upcoming Praxium Lecture series."

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Tingen looks at you and lets out a hearty cheer on your behalf!

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Cambin applauds.

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You say, "Tonight we'll be discussing the topic of "Stats", so we'll be mostly OOC throughout the presentation."

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You say, "That won't always be the case in all of our Lectures. To the best of our ability, we like to keep things in-game and IC during these meetings."

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You say, "Tonight, though, no such impairments to our conversation exist."

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You ask, "But before we launch into the topic at hand...does anyone remember the four pillars to a Praxium Lecture?"

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You arch your eyebrow.

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Valynn glances at Warbrolus.

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Tingen nods to you.

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Tingen raises her hand.

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You nod to Tingen.

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You say, "Go ahead."

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Tingen asks, "Attitude. Instruction. Implementation. Practice or something?"

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Warbrolus says, "They're here."

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You chuckle.

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Warbrolus grins at Valynn.

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You point at a group of four vibrant banners in bright gold and navy blue.

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Cambin bows his head and chants a prayer.

You decipher the telltale signs of the Tamsine's Kiss spell.

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You wink.

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Tingen points at a group of four vibrant banners in bright gold and navy blue.

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Warbrolus gestures at a group of four vibrant banners in bright gold and navy blue.

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Valynn gestures at a group of four vibrant banners in bright gold and navy blue.

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You say, "Attitude. Instruction. Implementation. Application."

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Cambin grins at Warbrolus.

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Tingen exclaims, "I was close without cheating!"

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Senvara reaches up toward one of the banners.

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You nod to Tingen.

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You grin.

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You say, "While we won't have the latter two pillars tonight due to the impromptu nature of this event, I'd be remiss if we didn't utilize the former two."

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Cambin gestures.

Cambin's cambrinth prism emits a loud *snap*.

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You say, "Let's talk Attitude."

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You say, "We've said repeatedly that "All of us having fun is better than one of us having fun."

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You say, "The same thing applies to Stats."

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You say, "Learning how Stats actually interact with your abilities and spells is key to understanding where you should place those hard earned TDP in the first place."

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You say, "That helps you have fun."

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You say, "Learning how your Stats are altered in ways that you can't normally see when within the Wyvern Arena is also key to you, and others, having fun there."

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Senvara assumes a meditative stance, concentrating on something.

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You say, "With that understanding comes responsibility."

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You smile.

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You say, "It is possible to utilize the Arena to achieve Stats completely unavailable in all other areas of the game."

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You say, "To be completely Undebilable. Or your abilities Unresistable. Or both, taken to the complete extreme."

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You say, "That is...not fun...for others in the mix."

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You say, "At Praxium Sponsored tournaments, we've adopted the "50% rule" as a guideline for what is permissible in those competitions."

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Tingen smiles at you.

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You ask Tingen, "I think other contemporary Tournaments have done something similar?"

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Tingen shakes her head at you.

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Tingen says to you, "My tournament isn't in the arena."

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You say, "That's right. My fault. I misremembered."

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Tingen says, "So there's less...strangeness."

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You nod to Tingen.

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Valynn grins at Tingen.

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Tingen says, "Well, different strangeness."

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Tingen grins at you.

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You say, "For participating parties in the Praxium Tournaments, your lowest stat cannot be less than 50% of your highest stat."

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You say, "For example, if you had 100 in Wisdom (your pretend highest stat), your Charisma (your pretend lowest stat) can't be less than 50."

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Warbrolus takes a seat.

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You say, "This isn't the "right" way to do it, while other ways are "wrong."

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You say, "This is a simple rule achievable by all that keeps the Praxium tournament contestants on an even playing field."

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You say, "All of us having fun, not just a few of us."

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You say, "So let's help you have that fun by moving into Instruction."

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You ask, "And let's start that by asking a question. What do your Strength, Agility, Reflex, Charisma, Discipline, Wisdom, Intelligence, and Stamina actually do?"

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Senvara assesses her combat situation.

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You say, "Not rhetorical."

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You wink.

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Valynn says, "Help with offense and defense in combat."

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You nod to Valynn.

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You ask Valynn, "Can you be more specific?"

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Valynn says, "Well, reflex helps with defense."

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You nod.

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You ask, "Anything else?"

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Tingen says, "Stamina helps me get hit more before I die."

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Valynn says, "The other stats contribute to our SvS contest depending on what contest we're looking at."

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You nod.

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You say, "There we go."

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Teilnsar mischievously says in an Ilithic accent, "Agility help with melee combat strikes."

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You say, "And that's where we'll spend the bulk of our time."

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You say, "For the most part, they govern your Debilitations, your Defense against Debilitations, and in some cases (Barbarians) a few guild-specific Special Abilities like Heitak and Axis."

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You say, "The common abbreviation or shorthand for these abilities is "SvS" or "Stat vs. Stat."

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You say, "When using a Debilitation it is your Three Stats vs. your opponents Three Stats."

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You say, "For example, Huldah's Pall, a Mind vs. Willpower Cleric Debilitation Spell."

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You grin at Tingen.

>prep hulp 100

Since you're attempting to feed more power into the spell pattern than it is capable of utilizing, you quickly work your way down to its maximal potential.

You begin chanting a prayer to invoke the Huldah's Pall spell.

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You say, "When I cast Huldah's Pall on Tingen, I am using my Intelligence, Discipline, and Wisdom (in that order), contested by her Discipline, Wisdom, and Intelligence (in that order)."

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You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.

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Tingen frowns at you.

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You gesture, muttering a quiet riddle to invoke Huldah's trickery.

A pair of immense ghostly hands sweep forward to grasp Tingen in a translucent embrace!

The ghostly hands interlock their wispy fingers, locking themselves tightly around Tingen.

Roundtime: 2 sec.

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You snicker.

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Tingen glares at you.

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Valynn covers her eyes with her hand.

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Tingen gets a twisted frozen-bone wand ensnaring a faceted Syrin's heart from inside her scavenger's pack.

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Tingen shakes a twisted frozen-bone wand ensnaring a faceted Syrin's heart at you.

Sprays of water dance around Tingen and then fade into nothingness.

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You say, "My Intelligence, Discipline, and Wisdom appear to be higher than her Discipline, Wisdom, and Intelligence."

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You grin.

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Tingen sticks out her tongue at you and lets loose with a loud, "Thbtbtbt" from her lips!

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Tingen laughs at you!

>prep sick 100

Since you're attempting to feed more power into the spell pattern than it is capable of utilizing, you quickly work your way down to its maximal potential.

You begin chanting a prayer to invoke the Soul Sickness spell.

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You say, "If I instead cast Soul Sickness on her, a Spirit vs. Willpower Debilitation, I'm using my Wisdom, Charisma, Intelligence (in that order) against her Discipline, Wisdom, and Intelligence (in that order)."

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Tingen says, "What a shock."

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You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.

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You gesture at Tingen.

Slippery as an eel, a spiritual tendril creeps into her soul, engendering a powerful sense of indecisiveness.  Tingen begins to mope around obliviously.

She drops to her knees before you, shaking with hesitance.

Roundtime: 2 sec.

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Your spirit grows colder as its enhanced vigor begins to wane.

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You nod.

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The ghostly hands binding Tingen slip away and vanish.

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You ask, "Is that making sense so far?"

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Warbrolus nods.

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Valynn nods to you.

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Cambin nods to you.

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The spiritual weight lifts off of Tingen.

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Valynn asks, "May I share Sek's charts?"

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Tingen nods to you.

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You say, "Please do, but at the end. I'll have a resource section Valynn."

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Tingen grins at you.

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You say, "That's part of the homework for tonight."

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Valynn nods to you.

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Tingen asks, "Homework!?"

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You nod to Tingen.

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You exclaim, "Homework!"

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You say, "Before we go any further, everyone please type SVS for me."

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You say, "This is your command to see roughly what your Offensive and Defensive SvS scores are."

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You say, "I say "roughly" because they're an approximation. While it does handle things like Buffs to your Stats just fine, it does *not* handle situational Buffs or SvS wards in its calculation."

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Your body below the waist is finally dry.

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You exclaim, "So if I buff my Wisdom with Glythtide's Gift, I *will* see all of the SvS numbers that utilize Wisdom go up. Magic, Spirit, and Mind on the Offensive side, and Willpower on the Defensive side. That's good!"

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You notice Warbrolus attempting to conceal his spell preparations.

A thrumming web of energy unfolds in a spiral across Warbrolus's skin.

You decipher the signs of a Holy augmentation spell.

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You say, "But if I put up Psychic Shield, which provides additional /Willpower Defense...or Landslide Berserk which bonuses a Barbarian's /Reflex Defense...or Essence of Yew bonuses all of the Defensive contests...you won't see that increase reflected in the SVS command."

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Warbrolus gestures.

You feel somehow more alive and vigorous due to the spell.

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You say, "So...roughly."

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You ask, "Tracking with me?"

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Cambin nods to you.

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Tingen nods to you.

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Valynn nods to you.

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You grin.

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You say, "Okay."

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You say, "Now let's dig in."

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Warbrolus says, "I cast Heroic Strength on everyone. That should change your values some."

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You beam at Warbrolus!

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You say, "Generally speaking, by the time a character reaches "maximum capped ranks," they have something close to 160 in one stat, 150 in a second stat, and 140 in a third stat...while the rest of their stats are right around 100."

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Valynn nods to Warbrolus.

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Tingen nods.

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Tingen is giggling at you.

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You say to Warbrolus, "Some of us do things a little differently."

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You wink at Warbrolus.

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Warbrolus hums to himself.

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You ask, "Why aren't those characters spreading their stats out more?"

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You ask, "Why not 115, 115, 120, 140, 140, 140...or something similar?"

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Tingen raises her hand.

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You nod to Tingen.

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Tingen says, "Because you want to be able to win the contests you care about, and sacrifice others."

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You say, "Spot on."

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Tingen says, "Instead of just sorta kinda losing everything."

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You say, "The more you spread your stat points around, the weaker you are on both Offensive and Defense."

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Valynn ponders.

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You say, "In the Open World, I will never beat a comparably sized character in my Mind or Magic contests if those stats are in the 130-140 range, as I'll likely be trying to win against people whose mental defenses are in the 140-160 range."

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You say, "I typically recommend that you pick 1-2 contests that you are going to try and win."

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You say, "Some of you may really want to focus on Offense. You're the kind of player that wants their Deadfall, Ice Patch, Mental Blast, or Huldah's Pall to land, no matter what."

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You say, "If that's the case, you want to shoot for allocating your Top 2 stats to that end. Deadfall, in our example, would mean Wisdom and maybe Intelligence. Same with Ice Patch."

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You say, "Mental Blast and Huldah's Pall would mean Intelligence, then Discipline."

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You say, "There are some notable PvPer's that fall into the "Offense No Matter What" category."

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You say, "Tirost and Saragos are good examples of this as Warrior MAges."

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You say, "Warbrolus might be a good example of that as a Paladin."

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You wink at Warbrolus.

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Warbrolus says, "My defense isn't THAT bad."

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Valynn gazes thoughtfully at Warbrolus.

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You say, "Golameth is an offensively statted Barbarian."

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Warbrolus grins.

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You say, "Some of you may want to focus on Defense instead. You're the kind of player that wants to resist that Ice Patch, Earthquake, and Ward Break."

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Tingen ponders.

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Tingen raises her hand.

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You say, "If that's the case, you want to shoot for allocating your Top 2 stats to the Defensive end. Reflex and Agility to resist that Ice Patch and Earthquake."

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You say, "Discipline and Wisdom to resist Ward Break."

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You say, "Again, a couple of well known PvPer's fit into this mold."

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You say, "Kalderen, the Warrior Mage. Waydren the Ranger. Malkien the Barbarian."

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You raise an eyebrow in Tingen's direction.

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Valynn folds her arms across her chest.

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Tingen asks, "How do you know who's in which of those camps? Unless they tell you?"

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You grin.

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You say, "Lots of overlapping experience."

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Warbrolus quietly says, "You try to kill them."

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Valynn points to her eyes.

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You nod at Warbrolus, in complete agreement with his views.

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You say, "Lots, and lots, and lots of spars."

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You chuckle.

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Tingen exclaims to Warbrolus, "I've tried that a lot, and everyone's statted for both of those things!"

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Tingen sticks out her tongue at Warbrolus and lets loose with a loud, "Thbtbtbt" from her lips!

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Warbrolus chuckles at Tingen.

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You grin.

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You say, "In the Open World, you're going to be hard pressed to land more than one Offensive Contest or resist more than one Defensive Contest for a long time."

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Warbrolus says, "Assuming similarly skilled."

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You nod to Warbrolus.

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You say, "But you *can* land or resist that one."

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Tingen mutters something into the air about assumptions.

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You say, "My Paladin has less than half the total ranks that Rakkor does. Despite that, he's still able to land full duration Ice Patches (yes, insert the jokes here) against Rakkor."

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You ask, "Why do you think that is?"

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Tingen asks, "Rakkor's bad at Reflex, and Paladin is statted into Ice Patch?"

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You nod to Tingen.

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You say, "Both true."

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You say, "Despite my Paladin having less than half the ranks of Rakkor, he can still *easily* land debilitations on me."

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Warbrolus says, "You've chosen to focus on offense at the expense of defense while relying on other compensating mechanisms for your defense, like launching your poor paladin out of the room."

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You grin.

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You say, "I have."

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You nod.

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Tingen laughs at Warbrolus.

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You say, "But this also shows that a *much* smaller character can add value to fights."

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Valynn asks, "Why?"

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You ask, "Why to which part?"

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Valynn asks, "Why did you pick one over the other?"

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You ask, "Why did Rakkor choose to focus on Offense?"

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Valynn nods to you.

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Warbrolus says, "It's a good question."

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Warbrolus smiles.

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Tingen ponders.

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Valynn asks, "Is the cleric kit better at offense?"

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You say, "Because Cleric Offensive Abilities are stupidly good."

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You grin.

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You say, "And if I'm going to win those contests, because a lot of them are Mind vs. Willpower, I have to go *all in* on that contest."

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You say, "As there are 2311324098127340897 ways to boost your Willpower defense."

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You say, "So I need my raw stats to overcome that."

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You say, "Additionally, my Offensive stats play into active defensive abilities."

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Warbrolus asks, "On the brightside, Discipline is a super stat, right?"

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You say, "Halo is based on Offensive statting."

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You say, "Sanyu Lyba is based on Offensive statting."

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You say, "So I kinda, sorta, but not really get two-for-one."

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You say to Valynn, "As a Ranger, you don't have the same two-for-one."

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You say to Valynn, "You have more passive abilities than active for defense."

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Valynn nods at you, obviously agreeing with your views.

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Valynn asks, "So running away is which stats?"

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Warbrolus chuckles.

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Valynn appears to be trying hard not to grin.

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Warbrolus praises Valynn.

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You ask Valynn, "So you need to choose...do you really want to land that Deadfall and Curse of the Wilds? Or do you really want to laugh at the Warrior Mage or Paladin throwing their native spell Ice Patch at you?"

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Tingen laughs at Valynn.

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You say, "So if you're statting for the Open World, make choices on what you *really* want to win and stat accordingly."

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You say, "Meanwhile, in the Arena, you can often use the balancing that it comes with to your advantage (within the bounds of "everyone having fun")."

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You ask, "Tingen, I think it is safe to assume that you don't have 160 in your highest stat, correct?"

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You grin.

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Tingen laughs!

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Tingen says, "I'm not sure I have 160 in all of them together."

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You ask, "But did you know that you can have the *exact same* simulated stats, and thus simulated SVS score, that Rakkor has, in the Arena?"

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Tingen nods to you.

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You say, "Pretend for a moment that Rakkor has 160 Intelligence, 150 Discipline, 140 Wisdom, and 100 in the rest of his stats (he doesn't)."

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You say, "You see, the Arena (especially on Heroic Mode), normalizes your stats around 100 as the median value. It then places your stats above and below that 100 amount based on your actual stats, and the average therein."

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You say, "In the Arena, Rakkor's make believe 160/150/140/100x5 actually become 135/126/118/84x5."

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Teilnsar mischievously says in an Ilithic accent, "I didn't even know you could get your stats that high."

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You exclaim, "Ewww, gross, so low!"

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Tingen sticks out her tongue at you and lets loose with a loud, "Thbtbtbt" from her lips!

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You say, "You know what else becomes 135/126/118/84? 80/76/70/50x5. So does 53/50/46/33x5."

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Valynn groans.

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Valynn moans.

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>'A character with 53 Intelligence, 50 Discipline, and 46 Wisdom (with 33 in their other stats) has the exact same SVS score in the Arena as our make believe Rakkor stats do.

You say, "A character with 53 Intelligence, 50 Discipline, and 46 Wisdom (with 33 in their other stats) has the exact same SVS score in the Arena as our make believe Rakkor stats do."

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Valynn balls up her fists stiffly at her side.

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You say, "Both of those stat spreads are easily attainable with very little time invested. And both of those stat spreads would give you the exact same stats as Rakkor's example numbers."

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You say, "Those modified stats simply don't show up when you type INFO while in the arena, but you'll see the modified SvS numbers by typing SVS."

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Tingen peers quizzically at you.

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Tingen says, "We might have different ideas of very little time."

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Tingen grins at you.

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You say, "So if you find yourself PvPing mostly in the arena, or mostly during the Praxium Tournaments, consider statting to that end (while honoring the 50% rule)."

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You grin at Tingen.

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Warbrolus says, "Maybe not an appropriate question for now, but do we have an idea what each is normalized to in heroic? I believe it's higher than 100."

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You get an odd feeling that someone is watching you.  It quickly passes.

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Warbrolus says, "I have not tried figuring it out."

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You say to Warbrolus, "I have a tool for that, and I'll share it at the end."

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You grin.

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Warbrolus grins.

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Tingen asks, "Are we sure the stats themselves are normalized? Or just the SvS?"

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Warbrolus nods.

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You say, "Both, in Heroic."

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You say, "Only the SVS in non-Heroic modes."

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Teilnsar mischievously asks in an Ilithic accent, "And heroic is?"

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Tingen nods to you.

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You say to Teilnsar, "The Arena mode that sets all skills to 1750."

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You say to Teilnsar, "It also normalizes your stats around 100."

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Teilnsar nods.

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You say, "Higher and lower, according to your stat array."

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You say, "(As mentioned earlier)."

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You say, "The days of people advising you to "get all stats to 100" have gone by the wayside."

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Avrenka waves.

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You say, ""All stats to 100" isn't necessary for any PvE content in the game, and modern normalization mechanics in the arena actively encourage you to be a little looser with that allocation."

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Avrenka says, "Sorry I'm late, came as quickly as I could."

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You nod to Avrenka.

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You say, "I know that this has been a lot of information thrown your way, so I want to leave you with three practical next steps as well as one resource:."

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You say, "First, read the information on this wiki page: https://elanthipedia.play.net/Category:Contested_abilities."

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Valynn grins at Avrenka.

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You say, "Valynn, if you wouldn't mind, this is a good time to insert Sekhmeht's resouce."

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You say, "It details each of the Offensive and Defensive Contests, and which stats play into them."

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Valynn says, "Https://elanthipedia.play.net/Sekmeht/PVP/Contests."

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You beam at Valynn!

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You say, "That's a great resource, well done, and actively maintained."

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You say, "Love that one."

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You say, "Second, familiarize yourself with which Debils your guild has, and which of the contests power them."

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Valynn nods in agreement.

>say Often times your guild will have its Debils spread across TWO or even THREE different contests. You'll (likely) need to be discerning on which spells you lean into.

You say, "Often times your guild will have its Debils spread across TWO or even THREE different contests. You'll (likely) need to be discerning on which spells you lean into."

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You say, "For example, Warrior Mages have a *bunch* of Debils on the Magic/ Offensive Contest. Arc Light. Ice Patch. Tremor."

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You say, "They have fewer, but still very powerful, Debils on the Mind/ Offensive Contest. Ward Break. Vertigo."

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You say, "If you're only going to be *really good* at one of those contests...you'll need to pick which one is more important to you."

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You say, "Finally, do some research on what stats you can achieve, and what that'll look like in the Open World, and in the Arena."

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You say, "To that end, your resource: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kVZpHGr5MyxlZLcAdSHrbNn1RTzVF_yFAeWCTamKjIA/edit?usp=sharing."

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You say, "Open that up when you have time. Create a copy of it. Experiment with it. It will show you your statting as it exists in the Arena, as well as what your SVS contests will look like in both the Open World and in the Arena itself."

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You say, "I've largely taken the position that I want my characters to have the exact same SVS scores inside and outside the Arena. i.e. I want to have consistent performance regardless of where I find my character, and where I'm doing PvP."

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You say, "You won't always have that option. But I want to arm you with knowledge so that you can make the best choices for your character, while considering the fun you *and* everyone else will have as you enter into PvP."

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You say, "That was a lot. Let's pause for questions as we wrap up."

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You arch your eyebrow.

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Valynn says, "Just thinking..."

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You grin at Valynn.

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You say, "Always a dangerous proposition."

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You wink.

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Valynn says, "It behooves you to know your own kit...."

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You nod to Valynn.

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Valynn squints at you.

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You exclaim, "It does!"

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Warbrolus asks, "Would you say a secondary stat is roughly worth twice that of a tertiary stat and a primary stat is worth three times as much as a tertiary stat when planning the contest you intend to focus on?"

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You say to Warbrolus, "That's correct."

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Valynn asks, "And to know everyone else's kit?"

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You say to Valynn, "Over time."

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You grin.

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You say, "Not right away."

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Valynn says, "Sorry, little slow tonight."

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Warbrolus rubs Valynn gently, massaging her muscles.

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You say, "Focus on your kit first and memorize it."

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You say, "Other peoples' kits second."

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Tingen asks, "What do we do if it's all overwhelming and we don't wanna think about it?"

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Tingen grins at you.

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Valynn asks, "All the spells we have?"

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Avrenka chuckles.

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You say to Valynn, "There's not *that* many that come into regular play."

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Valynn asks, "Why don't they?"

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You say to Valynn, "All of your debilitations are on one primary contest, Magic/."

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Valynn asks, "Their just utilitarian?"

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You say, "From there they either contest Reflexes, or Fortitude."

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You say, "In that regard, you only need to decide how much Wisdom you're going to train up, verses some of the defensive stats."

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You grin.

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Valynn asks, "Most people stat into Reflex and Fortitude?"

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Avrenka asks you, "What're your thoughts on using Bear Strength as a cyclic for Rangers?"

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Warbrolus says, "Wisdom to Katamba."

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You say to Valynn, "Most people choose one or the other, usually not both."

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You say to Avrenka, "I'd choose Cheetah's Swiftness over Bear Strength ten times out of ten."

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You say, "Balance is life."

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Valynn glances at some demonsbane leather boots with supple black soles.

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You say, "And the auto-stand removes most of the penalty from many of the CC's."

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Avrenka nods.

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Avrenka says, "Would be interesting if Bear Strength did a cleanse like TR."

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Warbrolus says, "Importantly, Discipline is the secondary stat for fortitude contests. If you focus on defense, you are touching on fortitude to a non-ignorable degree potentially, especially with an SvS ward like tranquility or an offense side ward like courage or Soul Shield."

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You say, "While Rangers have a very flexible third sorcery slot, being able to natively boost their balance typically wins out over a full extra slotted sorcery."

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You ask, "Other questions?"

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Valynn asks, "Homework?"

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Warbrolus says, "Kill Tingen."

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Avrenka chortles softly at some secret joke.

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Tingen gawks at Warbrolus.

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Valynn grins at Tingen.

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You say to Valynn, "Go read through those resources, and create a copy of the Stat Planner."

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You say, "Alright, we're done for tonight. Thanks for attending...I know that was a lot thrown your way."