elanthipedia talk:Manual of Style/Items - Revision history

ZUERCAT: /* Drink Page Names */

2024-06-25T05:35:26Z

Drink Page Names

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	The reason on the manual of style for not including the container part of a tap in a drink item name is "The reason for this standard is that the "container" component can change as the liquid is poured into a flask or consumed.", but are there any actual examples where this happens? Pouring drinks into a flask or keg doesn't change the original tap when they come back out, and if there's any that change tap as they are consumed, it doesn't seem to be a script that's used very much. [[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 20:18, 24 June 2024 (CDT)		The reason on the manual of style for not including the container part of a tap in a drink item name is "The reason for this standard is that the "container" component can change as the liquid is poured into a flask or consumed.", but are there any actual examples where this happens? Pouring drinks into a flask or keg doesn't change the original tap when they come back out, and if there's any that change tap as they are consumed, it doesn't seem to be a script that's used very much. [[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 20:18, 24 June 2024 (CDT)
			: So it does look like the command to FILL has stopped working (or I am remembering it wrong), where you used to be able to FILL <your container> WITH <a drink>. I just tried that and am getting a response back ''You can't fill anything with a mug of amber ale.''
			: That being said, I believe we do still need to not have the ''mug of'' part of drinks on the page names so that we don't end up with multiple similar pages. GM's (and player organizations) are always changing between mugs, goblets, cups, etc. For example, {{ilink\|i\|Bardic blue wine}} is ''a goblet of Bardic blue wine'' from most sources, but then ''a pewter goblet of Bardic blue wine'' from Hotagi'rath Theater and simply ''some bardic blue wine'' from Rosealea's Inn.
			: Anyhow, it's a bit of a PITA but it does keep us from having multiple pages for what is otherwise the same item just because the designer wanted a unique drink container. [[Kythryn]] 00:35, 25 June 2024 (CDT)

CRYPTODYNAMIC: /* Drink Page Names */ new section

2024-06-25T01:18:07Z

Drink Page Names: new section

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	What is the policy on items that are grey or gray? Do we tag only with the specific spelling in that item's description, or should we be adding both grey and gray for either version of the spelling?--[[User:ABSOLON\|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON\|talk]]) 01:25, 13 July 2014 (CDT)		What is the policy on items that are grey or gray? Do we tag only with the specific spelling in that item's description, or should we be adding both grey and gray for either version of the spelling?--[[User:ABSOLON\|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON\|talk]]) 01:25, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

			== Drink Page Names ==

			The reason on the manual of style for not including the container part of a tap in a drink item name is "The reason for this standard is that the "container" component can change as the liquid is poured into a flask or consumed.", but are there any actual examples where this happens? Pouring drinks into a flask or keg doesn't change the original tap when they come back out, and if there's any that change tap as they are consumed, it doesn't seem to be a script that's used very much. [[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 20:18, 24 June 2024 (CDT)

ABSOLON: /* Color tag: Grey vs. gray */ new section

2014-07-13T06:25:00Z

Color tag: Grey vs. gray: new section

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	There is an issue with some folks just copying and pasting shop catalogs directly into the shop pages. While this may not seem like a problem, some catalogs do odd things like capitalize every word or other strange things. Since links are case sensitive and there are more shop links that item articles, I have been forced to "force" all shop item links to link to non-capitalized names while displaying whatever format is present. Thus, to maintain correct linkage, all item articles must omit capitals. -[[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon\|talk]])</sup> 20:30, 28 June 2008 (CDT)		There is an issue with some folks just copying and pasting shop catalogs directly into the shop pages. While this may not seem like a problem, some catalogs do odd things like capitalize every word or other strange things. Since links are case sensitive and there are more shop links that item articles, I have been forced to "force" all shop item links to link to non-capitalized names while displaying whatever format is present. Thus, to maintain correct linkage, all item articles must omit capitals. -[[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon\|talk]])</sup> 20:30, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

			== Color tag: Grey vs. gray ==

			What is the policy on items that are grey or gray? Do we tag only with the specific spelling in that item's description, or should we be adding both grey and gray for either version of the spelling?--[[User:ABSOLON\|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON\|talk]]) 01:25, 13 July 2014 (CDT)

CARAAMON: New section: Article Capitalization

2008-06-29T01:30:59Z

New section: Article Capitalization

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	===Forged Equipment===		===Forged Equipment===
	I was working on an combat item template when it struck me that forged items are going to be a major pain in the butt. Not only are they all named the same, the possible variations are nearly endless. Therefore, I think we should have one page per template, listing the commonly found versions, as well as their makers. I made up a possible example at [[Bastard sword (forged)]]. -[[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 16:39, 20 April 2008 (CDT)		I was working on an combat item template when it struck me that forged items are going to be a major pain in the butt. Not only are they all named the same, the possible variations are nearly endless. Therefore, I think we should have one page per template, listing the commonly found versions, as well as their makers. I made up a possible example at [[Bastard sword (forged)]]. -[[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 16:39, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

			== Article Capitalization ==

			There is an issue with some folks just copying and pasting shop catalogs directly into the shop pages. While this may not seem like a problem, some catalogs do odd things like capitalize every word or other strange things. Since links are case sensitive and there are more shop links that item articles, I have been forced to "force" all shop item links to link to non-capitalized names while displaying whatever format is present. Thus, to maintain correct linkage, all item articles must omit capitals. -[[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon\|talk]])</sup> 20:30, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

Maintenance script: /* Item templates */

2008-05-31T02:46:40Z

Item templates

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	::As a general point when making a new article about anything, people should be directed to emulate existing ones, including all formatting with templates, etc. --[[User:Farman\|Farman]] 12:51, 18 May 2008 (CDT)		::As a general point when making a new article about anything, people should be directed to emulate existing ones, including all formatting with templates, etc. --[[User:Farman\|Farman]] 12:51, 18 May 2008 (CDT)

			Once I finish the forms for everything, I'll link to them from the Item MOS.--[[User:Naeya\|Naeya]] <sup>([[User talk:Naeya\|talk]])</sup> 21:46, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

	===Forged Equipment===		===Forged Equipment===

CARAAMON: New page: ==Article Names== I think item titles should be the entire item name, minus any articles (a, an, some) (this will help or else everything's going to index under either "a" for "a,an" or "s...

2008-05-30T21:20:21Z

New page: ==Article Names== I think item titles should be the entire item name, minus any articles (a, an, some) (this will help or else everything's going to index under either "a" for "a,an" or "s...

New page

==Article Names==
I think item titles should be the entire item name, minus any articles (a, an, some) (this will help or else everything's going to index under either "a" for "a,an" or "s" for "some"). In addition, since I added the core noun field to the item template, we may want to force each item to index by their core noun rather than whatever descriptor happens to be first. I can make the template do that if desired. -[[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 14:04, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

:I personally kind of hate item articles since there are literally thousands of items in the game, but most people seem to want them, so... I'm ignoring this one ;) --[[User:Farman|Farman]] 14:19, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
::Ditto. --[[User:Aetherie|Aetherie]] 14:42, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
:::Likewise. --[[User:Basselope|Basselope]] 14:12, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

I think the reason we started doing item articles in the first place was to avoid having stats, LOOKs and other such info on shop pages. It kinda exploded from there. The articles can stay in the names for all I care, as long as the sort name of the article (ie what it's sorted by in the category) is set to something else. Example: [[User:Naeya]] would be sorted under U in the [[:Category:Elanthipedia Admins]] unless we did the quick sort change to read <nowiki>[[Category:Elanthipedia Admins|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki> (to sort by Naeya instead of the namespace User). Alternatively, it could have read <nowiki>[[Category:Elanthipedia Admins|Naeya]]</nowiki>.
::--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] <sup>([[User talk:Naeya|talk]])</sup> 15:06, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

:::Well we should figure it out, either all or no articles included. Oh, and as for indexing, we could just do it by the core noun like I mentioned. -[[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 03:19, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

: I am all for letting the item articles exist. I'm not sure if our current "category" system with these is the best way to handle all this, but unless we install a special mediawiki extension, it is the best we have. I'm not particular for/against the (a/an/some/etc.) but if I had to choose, I'd say without. and where possible, sorting in categories by "primary noun" is best as well, imho. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:41, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

::Uh, just to be sure I haven't been too confusing, I am using articles to mean the english language type of word, "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_%28grammar%29|article]]." I meant to start a debate about whether pages should be allowed to begin with a/the/some/an. -[[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

:Reading this thread over again, I think everyone understands the difference, but yeah we are using the same word in two meanings. My objection is to the existence of item pages in the first place, but that's another topic. The question of whether to include grammatical articles in page naming has more general applications beyond item pages, however.

:So I'll weigh in with a '''strongly agree''' that articles should '''not''' be included. An item page represents and describes the general, idealized item and not a specific one; therefore there should be no article in the title. --[[User:Farman|Farman]] 12:51, 18 May 2008 (CDT)

===Item templates===
The proposed new manual states that appropriate templates should be used, but provides no directions or guidelines on where such templates can be found or how to know which templates would be appropriate. Furthermore, there are an enormous number of templates available. How can a new user (one possibly new to using wikis) going to find them? --[[User:Basselope|Basselope]] 14:12, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
:Once I've finished the item templates, I'll link them in. [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 17:24, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

::As a general point when making a new article about anything, people should be directed to emulate existing ones, including all formatting with templates, etc. --[[User:Farman|Farman]] 12:51, 18 May 2008 (CDT)

===Forged Equipment===
I was working on an combat item template when it struck me that forged items are going to be a major pain in the butt. Not only are they all named the same, the possible variations are nearly endless. Therefore, I think we should have one page per template, listing the commonly found versions, as well as their makers. I made up a possible example at [[Bastard sword (forged)]]. -[[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Strugr-Makdasi]] 16:39, 20 April 2008 (CDT)