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VMPHNTRD: /* Has Other? */

2025-05-14T15:41:26Z

Has Other?

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	I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: Do shields count? Armor? Containers? What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: Do shields count? Armor? Containers? What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)

	: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

	::: There's quite a few creatures that don't. As a rough feeling, it seems like the more humanoid/intelligent creatures generally do, and the more animal types generally don't, but there are probably exceptions on both sides. Also a bit annoying to confirm, since you might have to kill many of a critter to be confident that it doesn't drop anything. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 08:10, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		::: There's quite a few creatures that don't. As a rough feeling, it seems like the more humanoid/intelligent creatures generally do, and the more animal types generally don't, but there are probably exceptions on both sides. Also a bit annoying to confirm, since you might have to kill many of a critter to be confident that it doesn't drop anything. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 08:10, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

			:::: I see. Well, this field seems problematic. Accurately confirming a no is unlikely. Deciding when to confirm a yes is highly subjective and not necessarily helpful to others. I easily killed a thousand or more red-bristled gremlins the past few days. They have consistently dropped a variety of items from the [[random creature drop]] list. I can confidently say they drop random creature drops. However, I have yet to see a single [[Spell Scrolls\|spell scroll]] or {{ilink\|i\|worn and tattered map}}. Based on my adventuring experience, I believe it possible they might drop such, but also understand that I may never see that occur. Furthermore, even if I do get a scroll or map, there is no guarantee that the next adventurer will. Considering the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page reads "Creatures that can drop scrolls, maps, herbs, and other random objects." it seems the focus is on the itemized items (in particular the very rare drops). When is it appropriate to confirm a yes? After a scroll drop? A map drop? Both? What about herbs? As much as I hate leaving fields incomplete on entries that I edit, I think I may have to do so. I will revert the "no"s I annotated on many creatures back to unanswered. Thank you for the clarification.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 10:41, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

CRYPTODYNAMIC: /* Has Other? */

2025-05-14T13:11:02Z

Has Other?

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	: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)
			::: There's quite a few creatures that don't. As a rough feeling, it seems like the more humanoid/intelligent creatures generally do, and the more animal types generally don't, but there are probably exceptions on both sides. Also a bit annoying to confirm, since you might have to kill many of a critter to be confident that it doesn't drop anything. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 08:10, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

VMPHNTRD: /* Has Other? */

2025-05-14T06:38:38Z

Has Other?

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	== Has Other? ==		== Has Other? ==

	I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: ~~<br>~~		I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: Do shields count? Armor? Containers? What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	* Do shields count?
	* Armor?
	* Containers?
	* What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	<br>
	: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	::-Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

VMPHNTRD: /* Has Other? */

2025-05-14T06:03:27Z

Has Other?

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	: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
			::-Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

CRYPTODYNAMIC: /* Has Other? */

2025-05-14T04:22:06Z

Has Other?

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	* Containers?		* Containers?
	* What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		* What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
			<br>
			: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)

VMPHNTRD: /* Has Other? */

2025-05-13T21:04:34Z

Has Other?

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	* Armor?		* Armor?
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	* What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)?		* What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)

VMPHNTRD: /* Has Other? */ new section

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Has Other?: new section

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	::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	:::: Apologies, I undid my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:::: Apologies, I undid my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

			== Has Other? ==

			I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: <br>
			* Do shields count?
			* Armor?
			* Containers?
			* What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)?

VMPHNTRD: /* Body Type2 and Size */

2021-05-03T02:48:31Z

Body Type2 and Size

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	:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	:::: Apologies, I ~~will see about undoing~~ my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:51, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:::: Apologies, I undid my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

VMPHNTRD: /* Body Type2 and Size */

2021-05-02T20:51:05Z

Body Type2 and Size

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	:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
			:::: Apologies, I will see about undoing my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:51, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

TK-421: /* Body Type2 and Size */

2021-05-02T20:42:31Z

Body Type2 and Size

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	: These are only relevant (and visible) to [[Necromancer]]s. It's a [[Butchery ritual\|butchery]] thing, relating to gathering parts for [[Risen]]. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:27, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		: These are only relevant (and visible) to [[Necromancer]]s. It's a [[Butchery ritual\|butchery]] thing, relating to gathering parts for [[Risen]]. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:27, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
			::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

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	I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: Do shields count? Armor? Containers? What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		I see this new field on the critter pages; however, I do not see it listed here with a defined usage. I am guessing that it means whether or not the critter drops something other than coins, gems, boxes, and weapons. I think it obvious that items such as {{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}, or {{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} are appropriate for this field, but am uncertain about more common items, like: Do shields count? Armor? Containers? What if the items are worn or carried but not retrievable (i.e. gremlin armor)? --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (CDT)

	: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

	::: There's quite a few creatures that don't. As a rough feeling, it seems like the more humanoid/intelligent creatures generally do, and the more animal types generally don't, but there are probably exceptions on both sides. Also a bit annoying to confirm, since you might have to kill many of a critter to be confident that it doesn't drop anything. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 08:10, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		::: There's quite a few creatures that don't. As a rough feeling, it seems like the more humanoid/intelligent creatures generally do, and the more animal types generally don't, but there are probably exceptions on both sides. Also a bit annoying to confirm, since you might have to kill many of a critter to be confident that it doesn't drop anything. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 08:10, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

			:::: I see. Well, this field seems problematic. Accurately confirming a no is unlikely. Deciding when to confirm a yes is highly subjective and not necessarily helpful to others. I easily killed a thousand or more red-bristled gremlins the past few days. They have consistently dropped a variety of items from the [[random creature drop]] list. I can confidently say they drop random creature drops. However, I have yet to see a single [[Spell Scrolls\|spell scroll]] or {{ilink\|i\|worn and tattered map}}. Based on my adventuring experience, I believe it possible they might drop such, but also understand that I may never see that occur. Furthermore, even if I do get a scroll or map, there is no guarantee that the next adventurer will. Considering the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page reads "Creatures that can drop scrolls, maps, herbs, and other random objects." it seems the focus is on the itemized items (in particular the very rare drops). When is it appropriate to confirm a yes? After a scroll drop? A map drop? Both? What about herbs? As much as I hate leaving fields incomplete on entries that I edit, I think I may have to do so. I will revert the "no"s I annotated on many creatures back to unanswered. Thank you for the clarification.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 10:41, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

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	: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)		: I don't recall the original impetus for adding it, but the idea is called out on the [[:Category:Creatures with other loot]] page, and it's how I'd been taking it. I think the primary use should be for creatures that drop from the "loot hopper", to potentially drop scrolls, runes, herbs, that sort of thing. And I think it's also appropriate for things that have other special drops, like [[Giant thicket viper\|giant thicket vipers]] or the [[Drogor avatar]], with specific details called out on their pages. I would <i>not</i> apply it to creatures that carry equipment which can be looted, though having another "Has equipment" property might be appropriate. Not sure where to draw the line there on stuff that can't actually be interacted with by players, though. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 23:21, 13 May 2025 (CDT)
	:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)		:: Thank you for the reply. No to equipment. Makes sense. However, I am still a bit confused. Is the intent to identify creatures with unique loot like: [[red-bristled gremlin]] ({{ilink\|i\|vial of naphtha}}), [[vykathi reaper]] ({{ilink\|i\|Nemmiro stone (creature drop)\|nemmiro stones}} and {{ilink\|i\|oravir sliver}}), [[Animated Items\|animated items]] ({{ilink\|i\|tiny replica item\|tiny replica <material> <item type>}}), and [[drogor avatar]] ({{ilink\|n\|Drogor's Wrath sapphire}})? Or, is it to mark critters that drop [[random creature drop]] items? The latter seems a bit odd to me. I was under the impression that those drops apply to most, if not all, critters.--[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 01:03, 14 May 2025 (CDT)
			::: There's quite a few creatures that don't. As a rough feeling, it seems like the more humanoid/intelligent creatures generally do, and the more animal types generally don't, but there are probably exceptions on both sides. Also a bit annoying to confirm, since you might have to kill many of a critter to be confident that it doesn't drop anything. --[[User:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|CRYPTODYNAMIC]] ([[User talk:CRYPTODYNAMIC\|talk]]) 08:10, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

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	:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	:::: Apologies, I ~~will see about undoing~~ my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:51, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:::: Apologies, I undid my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

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	:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
			:::: Apologies, I will see about undoing my recent changes. And, I like the new field notes, "Necromancers care about this." --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:51, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

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	: These are only relevant (and visible) to [[Necromancer]]s. It's a [[Butchery ritual\|butchery]] thing, relating to gathering parts for [[Risen]]. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:27, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		: These are only relevant (and visible) to [[Necromancer]]s. It's a [[Butchery ritual\|butchery]] thing, relating to gathering parts for [[Risen]]. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:27, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
	:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		:: Ah hah! Thanks for the information. Glad I asked. I will leave those fields alone from now on. That is not an activity I partake in. Should I undo changes that I made? The selections may be wrong. --[[User:VMPHNTRD\|VMPHNTRD]] ([[User talk:VMPHNTRD\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (CDT)
			::: Probably, but it's not the end of the world if you don't. We're still trying to catalog which creatures generate what types of parts. The [[Butchery ritual]] page shows how these get used. --[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 15:42, 2 May 2021 (CDT)