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	:I would take your rhetoric more seriously if your only contribution to the wiki wasn't merely posting on this talk page. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 21:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		:I would take your rhetoric more seriously if your only contribution to the wiki wasn't merely posting on this talk page. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 21:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

	:: Whatever my feelings on "how it should be" the fact is that our personal opinions are less important than things that interfere with running this site. In a perfect world, we'd post everything and anything we want, but it's not a perfect world. Several times before, we've had GMs give us information that would have taken a long time to discover if at all, and thus it behooves us to at least consider their wishes. ~~In addition, we~~ are not DRSecrets, though we do share some of the same information.		:: Whatever my feelings on "how it should be" the fact is that our personal opinions are less important than things that interfere with running this site. In a perfect world, we'd post everything and anything we want, but it's not a perfect world. Several times before, we've had GMs give us information that would have taken a long time to discover if at all, and thus it behooves us to at least consider their wishes. We are not DRSecrets, though we do share some of the same information.
	::In addition, I find it excessive to call it arm twisting. If a doctor does something you don't like, you're not going to refer your friends to him. Likewise, if we post things they don't want us to, they're just not going to point anyone in our direction. Realistically, if they wanted to hurt us, they could do it pretty easily with all the murkiness surrounding wikis and copyright. We go into far more detail than most wikis, and thus we really can't operate without the goodwill of Simutronics.-Moderator [[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon\|talk]])</sup> 23:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		::In addition, I find it excessive to call it arm twisting. If a doctor does something you don't like, you're not going to refer your friends to him. Likewise, if we post things they don't want us to, they're just not going to point anyone in our direction. Realistically, if they wanted to hurt us, they could do it pretty easily with all the murkiness surrounding wikis and copyright. We go into far more detail than most wikis, and thus we really can't operate without the goodwill of Simutronics.-Moderator [[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon\|talk]])</sup> 23:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I would take your rhetoric more seriously if your only contribution to the wiki wasn't merely posting on this talk page. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 21:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		:I would take your rhetoric more seriously if your only contribution to the wiki wasn't merely posting on this talk page. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 21:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

			:: Whatever my feelings on "how it should be" the fact is that our personal opinions are less important than things that interfere with running this site. In a perfect world, we'd post everything and anything we want, but it's not a perfect world. Several times before, we've had GMs give us information that would have taken a long time to discover if at all, and thus it behooves us to at least consider their wishes. In addition, we are not DRSecrets, though we do share some of the same information.
			::In addition, I find it excessive to call it arm twisting. If a doctor does something you don't like, you're not going to refer your friends to him. Likewise, if we post things they don't want us to, they're just not going to point anyone in our direction. Realistically, if they wanted to hurt us, they could do it pretty easily with all the murkiness surrounding wikis and copyright. We go into far more detail than most wikis, and thus we really can't operate without the goodwill of Simutronics.-Moderator [[User:Caraamon\|Caraamon Makdasi]]<sup>([[User talk:Caraamon\|talk]])</sup> 23:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking your ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki with threats and/or a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking your ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki with threats and/or a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

			:I would take your rhetoric more seriously if your only contribution to the wiki wasn't merely posting on this talk page. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 21:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)		:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

	Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking your ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking your ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki with threats and/or a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)		:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

	Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. ~~Your mileage may vary.~~ --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking your ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)		:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

	Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes"? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. Your mileage may vary. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes" (actual quote)? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. Your mileage may vary. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)		:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

	Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes"? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and compromise isn't a Wiki at all'''. Your mileage may vary. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)		Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes"? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and ''compromise'' isn't a Wiki at all'''. Your mileage may vary. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)		:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

			Let me first say that you two (Reene and Armifer) will get what you want. This is due to the fact that most DR players are good people and don't want to antagonize staff that represent the game. I mean, really, ask yourself: Who really wants to go against the "GMs wishes"? If necromancer secrets are posted, Reene says that s/he will stop contributing to the site while Armifer threatens to pull links to Elanthipedia. This amounts to taking ball and going home because you didn't get your way. It's childish and petty. It is my opinion that '''a Wiki without discussion, dialogue, and compromise isn't a Wiki at all'''. Your mileage may vary. --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 12:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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	:I'm uncertain how it can be both something you hope would happen and "outright blackmail" at the same time, but I assume some sort of straw man is involved.		:I'm uncertain how it can be both something you hope would happen and "outright blackmail" at the same time, but I assume some sort of straw man is involved.
	:Regardless, I have only stepped in to make our intentions and request clear, since the confusion over them was a source of The Dramas in a website I think is useful. I do not intend to become involved in what you decide to do with the information now that you have been given it. [[User:Armifer\|Armifer]] 22:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)		:Regardless, I have only stepped in to make our intentions and request clear, since the confusion over them was a source of The Dramas in a website I think is useful. I do not intend to become involved in what you decide to do with the information now that you have been given it. [[User:Armifer\|Armifer]] 22:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

			:I stated my concern plainly and honestly. On a website that has received major contributions and assistance from GMs over the past couple of years, and currently has the presence of one of them on a talk page, you must honestly ask yourself if doing something that annoys or alienates them is in the best interests of the project. This is the only thing to my knowledge that they have expressed an explicit desire to not see posted, and I believe it incredibly unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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	Elanthipedia has more inherent "face value" than DRSecrets or Yahoo due the volume of information that is catalogued here. It should come to no surprise that Armifer would pull posts with links to spoilers. I'd hope the Thief GMs would pull post that link to Thief secrets; Cleric GMs pull posts that link to Cleric secrets; Moon Mage GMs that pull post that link to Moon Mage secrets, and so on. Now, frankly, I don't care whether the info is posted or not, but it slightly annoys me the that people who are working hard on providing info to the players are being arm-twisted (and, in this case, outright blackmailed) to honor the "GM's wishes" (actual quote). --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 15:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)		Elanthipedia has more inherent "face value" than DRSecrets or Yahoo due the volume of information that is catalogued here. It should come to no surprise that Armifer would pull posts with links to spoilers. I'd hope the Thief GMs would pull post that link to Thief secrets; Cleric GMs pull posts that link to Cleric secrets; Moon Mage GMs that pull post that link to Moon Mage secrets, and so on. Now, frankly, I don't care whether the info is posted or not, but it slightly annoys me the that people who are working hard on providing info to the players are being arm-twisted (and, in this case, outright blackmailed) to honor the "GM's wishes" (actual quote). --[[User:Dhidow\|Dhidow]] 15:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

			:I'm uncertain how it can be both something you hope would happen and "outright blackmail" at the same time, but I assume some sort of straw man is involved.
			:Regardless, I have only stepped in to make our intentions and request clear, since the confusion over them was a source of The Dramas in a website I think is useful. I do not intend to become involved in what you decide to do with the information now that you have been given it. [[User:Armifer\|Armifer]] 22:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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