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Armor Anomaly

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	:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
	::I'm almost positive this is not the case, I'll check it later, but taking off a piece of armor takes me from none to light, and then stowing it in a backpack leaves me at light. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 13:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)		::I'm almost positive this is not the case, I'll check it later, but taking off a piece of armor takes me from none to light, and then stowing it in a backpack leaves me at light. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 13:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
			:::Confirmed again last night, putting armor into a worn container does not provide the 45% reduction in effective encumbrance that wearing it does.--[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 14:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Armor Anomaly

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	I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
	:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
			::I'm almost positive this is not the case, I'll check it later, but taking off a piece of armor takes me from none to light, and then stowing it in a backpack leaves me at light. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 13:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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Armor Anomaly

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	I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
			:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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	:To the first question, yes, although I personally haven't tested to see if the rounding works properly.		:To the first question, yes, although I personally haven't tested to see if the rounding works properly.
	:As to your aside, yes it does. When I originally simplified it, I wasn't thinking in terms of spreadsheet formulas and 'ceiling' isn't exactly a common algebraic one. Changed.--[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 20:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)		:As to your aside, yes it does. When I originally simplified it, I wasn't thinking in terms of spreadsheet formulas and 'ceiling' isn't exactly a common algebraic one. Changed.--[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 20:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


			== Armor Anomaly ==

			I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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Higher Levels

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	As an aside, we could ditch the +.8 by replacing floor with ceiling. So 10ceil[2.8(str+sta)] [[User:Antendren\|Antendren]] 10:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)		As an aside, we could ditch the +.8 by replacing floor with ceiling. So 10ceil[2.8(str+sta)] [[User:Antendren\|Antendren]] 10:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
			:To the first question, yes, although I personally haven't tested to see if the rounding works properly.
			:As to your aside, yes it does. When I originally simplified it, I wasn't thinking in terms of spreadsheet formulas and 'ceiling' isn't exactly a common algebraic one. Changed.--[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 20:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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	::Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)		::Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::My guess is beards for both. I did further testing(since original was done with S'kra) A beard and mustache on my halfling added 4 stones (20 coppers worth of weight). With 13 Str/15 Sta, and beard and mustache, went from none to light at exactly 3380 copper (or 676 stones). Once the beard and mustache were removed, as expected went from none to light at 3400, or 680 stones. This also confirms that beards and mustaches DO add to your encumbrance. [[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 14:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)		:::My guess is beards for both. I did further testing(since original was done with S'kra) A beard and mustache on my halfling added 4 stones (20 coppers worth of weight). With 13 Str/15 Sta, and beard and mustache, went from none to light at exactly 3380 copper (or 676 stones). Once the beard and mustache were removed, as expected went from none to light at 3400, or 680 stones. This also confirms that beards and mustaches DO add to your encumbrance. [[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 14:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


			== Higher Levels ==

			What is meant by the statement, "Just add .4 to BOTH multipliers for strength and stamina"? Does this mean that the formula for the number of stones to go from Light to Somewhat is 10floor[2.8(str +sta) + .8]? If so, do you keep incrementing the multiplier for each level? So use 3.2 in the formula for Somewhat to Burdened?

			As an aside, we could ditch the +.8 by replacing floor with ceiling. So 10ceil[2.8(str+sta)] [[User:Antendren\|Antendren]] 10:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

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Kharm - Discussion of accuracy of formla

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	10 * [ 2[[strength (stat)\|STRENGTH]] + 2[[Stamina (stat)\|STAMINA]] + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) ] - Kharm		10 * [ 2[[strength (stat)\|STRENGTH]] + 2[[Stamina (stat)\|STAMINA]] + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) ] - Kharm
	:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
		⚫	::I was a completely naked human when I tested this in the Theren bank. Didn't check for a beard or mustache though. The person with 40/40 str/stam was a Gor'Tog, also completely naked, also don't know about beard etc, but tested in the Crossing bank. We both did coin testing.

		⚫	::Human 27/27 str/stam 6479/6480 coins. 6480/5=1296 Original calculation=1300 My calc=1296
⚫	I was a completely naked human when I tested this in the Theren bank. Didn't check for a beard or mustache though. The person with 40/40 str/stam was a Gor'Tog, also completely naked, also don't know about beard etc, but tested in the Crossing bank. We both did coin testing.
		⚫	::Gor'Tog 40/40 str/stam was 9604/9605 coins. 9605/5=1921 Original calculation=1920 My calc=1920

		⚫	::Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
⚫	Human 27/27 str/stam 6479/6480 coins. 6480/5=1296 Original calculation=1300 My calc=1296
			:::My guess is beards for both. I did further testing(since original was done with S'kra) A beard and mustache on my halfling added 4 stones (20 coppers worth of weight). With 13 Str/15 Sta, and beard and mustache, went from none to light at exactly 3380 copper (or 676 stones). Once the beard and mustache were removed, as expected went from none to light at 3400, or 680 stones. This also confirms that beards and mustaches DO add to your encumbrance. [[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 14:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

⚫	Gor'Tog 40/40 str/stam was 9604/9605 coins. 9605/5=1921 Original calculation=1920 My calc=1920

⚫	Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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	:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

	I was a completely naked human when I tested this in the Theren bank. Didn't check for a beard or mustache though. The person with 40/40 str/stam was a Gor'Tog, also completely naked, also don't know about beard etc, but tested in the Crossing bank. We both did coin testing.		I was a completely naked human when I tested this in the Theren bank. Didn't check for a beard or mustache though. The person with 40/40 str/stam was a Gor'Tog, also completely naked, also don't know about beard etc, but tested in the Crossing bank. We both did coin testing.

	Human 27/27 str/stam 6479/6480 coins. 6480/5=1296 Original calculation=1300 My calc=1296		Human 27/27 str/stam 6479/6480 coins. 6480/5=1296 Original calculation=1300 My calc=1296

	Gor'Tog 40/40 str/stam was 9604/9605 coins. 9605/5=1921 Original calculation=1920 My calc=1920		Gor'Tog 40/40 str/stam was 9604/9605 coins. 9605/5=1921 Original calculation=1920 My calc=1920

	Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)		Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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	10 * [ 2[[strength (stat)\|STRENGTH]] + 2[[Stamina (stat)\|STAMINA]] + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) ] - Kharm		10 * [ 2[[strength (stat)\|STRENGTH]] + 2[[Stamina (stat)\|STAMINA]] + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) ] - Kharm
	:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

			I was a completely naked human when I tested this in the Theren bank. Didn't check for a beard or mustache though. The person with 40/40 str/stam was a Gor'Tog, also completely naked, also don't know about beard etc, but tested in the Crossing bank. We both did coin testing.
			Human 27/27 str/stam 6479/6480 coins. 6480/5=1296 Original calculation=1300 My calc=1296
			Gor'Tog 40/40 str/stam was 9604/9605 coins. 9605/5=1921 Original calculation=1920 My calc=1920
			Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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	10 * [ 2[[strength (stat)\|STRENGTH]] + 2[[Stamina (stat)\|STAMINA]] + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) ] - Kharm		10 * [ 2[[strength (stat)\|STRENGTH]] + 2[[Stamina (stat)\|STAMINA]] + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) + ((STRENGTH+STAMINA)/5) ] - Kharm
			:Interesting that you state that it's only off by .1 at 40 Str/Sta. The formulas result in the SAME value at 40 STA/STA, and additionally, please advise of your testing methods for that result in .1 precision. Coin testing would give you a max precision of .2, not .1. At 35 Str/33 Stam The original is 100% accurate. Tested via 100% naked. 8199 copper: No Encumbrance 8200, Light Burden. Without further info, I will leave the current formula as the correct formula.[[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 17:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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	:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
	::I'm almost positive this is not the case, I'll check it later, but taking off a piece of armor takes me from none to light, and then stowing it in a backpack leaves me at light. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 13:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)		::I'm almost positive this is not the case, I'll check it later, but taking off a piece of armor takes me from none to light, and then stowing it in a backpack leaves me at light. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 13:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
			:::Confirmed again last night, putting armor into a worn container does not provide the 45% reduction in effective encumbrance that wearing it does.--[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 14:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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	I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		I tested this on a Barbarian with leather, chain, and plate pieces, and on an Empath with leather. In every case putting on a piece of armor resulted in a 45% reduction in the encumbrance of the given piece of armor. Unless anyone has a counter case this seems pretty certain to be the reduction for wearing armor. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 05:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
	:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)		:This is the case for anything worn. E.g.You should get the same reduction when putting it into a worn container. --[[User:Evran\|Evran]] 13:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
			::I'm almost positive this is not the case, I'll check it later, but taking off a piece of armor takes me from none to light, and then stowing it in a backpack leaves me at light. --[[User:Seped\|Seped]] 13:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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	::Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)		::Are lirums somehow heavier than kronars? It was my understanding all coins weighed the same. --[[User:Chippkipp\|Chippkipp]] 05:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::My guess is beards for both. I did further testing(since original was done with S'kra) A beard and mustache on my halfling added 4 stones (20 coppers worth of weight). With 13 Str/15 Sta, and beard and mustache, went from none to light at exactly 3380 copper (or 676 stones). Once the beard and mustache were removed, as expected went from none to light at 3400, or 680 stones. This also confirms that beards and mustaches DO add to your encumbrance. [[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 14:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)		:::My guess is beards for both. I did further testing(since original was done with S'kra) A beard and mustache on my halfling added 4 stones (20 coppers worth of weight). With 13 Str/15 Sta, and beard and mustache, went from none to light at exactly 3380 copper (or 676 stones). Once the beard and mustache were removed, as expected went from none to light at 3400, or 680 stones. This also confirms that beards and mustaches DO add to your encumbrance. [[User:VTCifer\|VTCifer]] 14:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


			== Higher Levels ==

			What is meant by the statement, "Just add .4 to BOTH multipliers for strength and stamina"? Does this mean that the formula for the number of stones to go from Light to Somewhat is 10floor[2.8(str +sta) + .8]? If so, do you keep incrementing the multiplier for each level? So use 3.2 in the formula for Somewhat to Burdened?

			As an aside, we could ditch the +.8 by replacing floor with ceiling. So 10ceil[2.8(str+sta)] [[User:Antendren\|Antendren]] 10:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)