Talk:Elanthian time - Revision history

YLZUNG: Fixed typos in previous post

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Fixed typos in previous post

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	Roisan \| 60 Seconds \| 1 Minute		Roisan \| 60 Seconds \| 1 Minute
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	A GM ~~confirmed~~ also recently confirmed it [https://discord.com/channels/619301383451181075/619363874109653000/1104074494181650603 in Discord]<br />		A GM also recently confirmed it [https://discord.com/channels/619301383451181075/619363874109653000/1104074494181650603 in Discord]<br />
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	Cordulia — 05/05/2023 90:57 AM		Cordulia — 05/05/2023 9:57 AM
	Just to confirm:		Just to confirm:

YLZUNG at 07:20, 13 May 2023

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	Is there any interest in the enhancement of the before mentioned time calculator to include solar and lunar events (sunrises, sunsets, and lunar cycles)? --[[User:Dandin\|Dandin]] 02:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)		Is there any interest in the enhancement of the before mentioned time calculator to include solar and lunar events (sunrises, sunsets, and lunar cycles)? --[[User:Dandin\|Dandin]] 02:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

			==Roisan / Minute==
			The change history of this page suggests there is some confusion about how long a roisan is. (1 minute or 15 seconds)<br />
			A [https://elanthipedia.play.net/Post:Roisaen_vs._Minutes_-_08/03/2014_-_02:25 2014 forum post] says that it equals 1 minute, per TIME INFO.<br />
			The TIME INFO command still states that 1 rois = 1 minute.<br />
			<tt>
			Elanthia Time \| Equivalent Units \| Earth Time
			--------------------------------------------------
			Year \| 10 Months \| 100 Days
			Month \| 10 Weeks (Andaen) \| 10 Days
			Week (Andu) \| 4 Days \| 1 Day
			Day \| 12 Anlaen \| 6 Hours
			Anlas \| 30 Roisaen \| 30 Minutes
			Roisan \| 60 Seconds \| 1 Minute
			</tt><br />
			A GM confirmed also recently confirmed it [https://discord.com/channels/619301383451181075/619363874109653000/1104074494181650603 in Discord]<br />
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			Cordulia — 05/05/2023 90:57 AM
			Just to confirm:

			1 roisan = 1 minute = 60 seconds

			The 4:1 ratio is for Elanthian days to IRL days, not all units of time.
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			If you want to test it in game, you can do a minimum prep of ease burden or any other spell that lasts 10 rois at minimum mana.<br />
			Right after casting, using perceive will tell you:<br />
			You sense the Ease Burden spell upon you, which will last for about ten roisaen.

			If 1 rois = 15 seconds, then the spell should fade in 2 minutes, 30 seconds.<br />
			If you wait 2.5 minutes and perceive, you will see:<br />
			You sense the Ease Burden spell upon you, which will last for about seven roisaen.

			GM posts, TIME INFO and in game spell timers all suggest that 1 rois = 1 minute.<br />
			Is there anything in game that does say 1 rois = 15 seconds? If so I believe it should probably be bugged. --[[User:YLZUNG\|Ylzung]] 05/13/2023 7:00 AM UTC

ABSOLON: ABSOLON moved page Talk:Elanthian Time to Talk:Elanthian time

2014-12-25T04:30:04Z

ABSOLON moved page Talk:Elanthian Time to Talk:Elanthian time

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DANDIN: /* Sun Rise/Set Formula */ sexier formulas make for better conversation

2010-12-22T09:28:14Z

Sun Rise/Set Formula: sexier formulas make for better conversation

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	Got it! Rise/set times follow a sine function. An event (rise/set) will occur every 3 hours modified by the sine function. The difference between the rise modifier and the set modifier is a phase shift of pi. The correlation to the IG date is day*(pi/400). The frequency of the changes is 2, the amplitude is the (maximum time shift - minimum time shift)/2, the vertical shift is the average time shift.		Got it! Rise/set times follow a sine function. An event (rise/set) will occur every 3 hours modified by the sine function. The difference between the rise modifier and the set modifier is a phase shift of pi. The correlation to the IG date is day*(pi/400). The frequency of the changes is 2, the amplitude is the (maximum time shift - minimum time shift)/2, the vertical shift is the average time shift.
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			[[Image:Sunrise shift formula.png]]<br />
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			[[Image:Sunrise formula.png]]<br />
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			[[Image:Sunset formula.png]]<br />
			<br />

	f(day) = 0:30 * sin(2(daypi/400)+Xpi/2) + 1:15		f(day) = 0:30 * sin(2(daypi/400)+Xpi/2) + 1:15
	X = 1 for rise time		X = 1 for rise time

ISHARON: moved discussion of OOC terms to the first section

2010-09-13T15:27:26Z

moved discussion of OOC terms to the first section

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	==Units of Time==		==Units of Time==

	===Hours; Systems That Use Earth Time===		===Hours/Minutes; Systems That Use Earth Time===

	Removed by Ysselt: Some old systems (such as repair shops) use Earth time, but this is [[Out of Character\|out of character]].<br>		Removed by Ysselt: Some old systems (such as repair shops) use Earth time, but this is [[Out of Character\|out of character]].<br>
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	::As I said before, the mere use of the term "hour" doesn't make it OOC. "Hour" can be IC or OOC depending on how it is used. There is an Elanthian unit called the hour, which is defined as 15 minutes, and some people also refer to anlaen as "hours" (though this usage is ambiguous.) "Hour" is OOC when it is used to mean 60 minutes.<br><br>		::As I said before, the mere use of the term "hour" doesn't make it OOC. "Hour" can be IC or OOC depending on how it is used. There is an Elanthian unit called the hour, which is defined as 15 minutes, and some people also refer to anlaen as "hours" (though this usage is ambiguous.) "Hour" is OOC when it is used to mean 60 minutes.<br><br>
	::However, the issue of the term "hour" is separate from the fact that Earth time is still used in some systems. (That's why I moved it to a more general section and omitted any reference to "hours.") Most of these are old systems that may have been released before the time system. In other cases, Earth time was chosen for the convenience of the player. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 17:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		::However, the issue of the term "hour" is separate from the fact that Earth time is still used in some systems. (That's why I moved it to a more general section and omitted any reference to "hours.") Most of these are old systems that may have been released before the time system. In other cases, Earth time was chosen for the convenience of the player. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 17:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

		⚫	I personally disagree with the assessment of terms like 'minute' and 'hour' being strictly out of character. They are simply Common/informal terms for concepts more "properly" or formally expressed in Gamgweth. I don't want to edit the article to reflect this without trying to provoke a little discussion first, though. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 04:44, 6 December 2007 (CST)

		⚫	I agree that minutes and hours can't strictly be considered OOC or else every new player would be forced to be OOC simply because of ignorance. --[[User:Kraelyst\|Kraelyst]] 06:40, 6 December 2007 (CST)

	===Andu vs. Day===		===Andu vs. Day===
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	Simple, but it's something. Just took the in game help text and wikified it. There's room to expand the article; needs names of years, and names of months. [[User:Farman\|Farman]] 15:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)		Simple, but it's something. Just took the in game help text and wikified it. There's room to expand the article; needs names of years, and names of months. [[User:Farman\|Farman]] 15:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

⚫	I personally disagree with the assessment of terms like 'minute' and 'hour' being strictly out of character. They are simply Common/informal terms for concepts more "properly" or formally expressed in Gamgweth. I don't want to edit the article to reflect this without trying to provoke a little discussion first, though. [[User:Reene\|Reene]] 04:44, 6 December 2007 (CST)

⚫	I agree that minutes and hours can't strictly be considered OOC or else every new player would be forced to be OOC simply because of ignorance. --[[User:Kraelyst\|Kraelyst]] 06:40, 6 December 2007 (CST)

	According to my original calculations, the DR Epoch (0 years and 0 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer) occurred on 1901-05-26 19:45:00 UTC, or 2,164,853,700 seconds before the UNIX Epoch (1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC) --[[User:Dandin\|Dandin]] 02:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)		According to my original calculations, the DR Epoch (0 years and 0 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer) occurred on 1901-05-26 19:45:00 UTC, or 2,164,853,700 seconds before the UNIX Epoch (1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC) --[[User:Dandin\|Dandin]] 02:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

DANDIN: /* Time Begins */

2010-09-13T02:49:30Z

Time Begins

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	I agree that minutes and hours can't strictly be considered OOC or else every new player would be forced to be OOC simply because of ignorance. --[[User:Kraelyst\|Kraelyst]] 06:40, 6 December 2007 (CST)		I agree that minutes and hours can't strictly be considered OOC or else every new player would be forced to be OOC simply because of ignorance. --[[User:Kraelyst\|Kraelyst]] 06:40, 6 December 2007 (CST)

			According to my original calculations, the DR Epoch (0 years and 0 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer) occurred on 1901-05-26 19:45:00 UTC, or 2,164,853,700 seconds before the UNIX Epoch (1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC) --[[User:Dandin\|Dandin]] 02:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

	==Sun Rise/Set Formula==		==Sun Rise/Set Formula==

DANDIN: /* Time Calculator */

2010-09-13T02:40:17Z

Time Calculator

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	The time calculator linked here is currently down and has been for a few days. I'm currently writing a Genie script to do the conversions for me, but if I change it to a PHP script as well would Elanthipedia be willing to host the page? --[[User:Maje\|Maje]] 01:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)		The time calculator linked here is currently down and has been for a few days. I'm currently writing a Genie script to do the conversions for me, but if I change it to a PHP script as well would Elanthipedia be willing to host the page? --[[User:Maje\|Maje]] 01:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

			Is there any interest in the enhancement of the before mentioned time calculator to include solar and lunar events (sunrises, sunsets, and lunar cycles)? --[[User:Dandin\|Dandin]] 02:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

ISHARON: /* Hours and Systems that Use Earth Time */

2010-05-07T21:28:29Z

Hours and Systems that Use Earth Time

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	==Units of Time==		==Units of Time==

	===Hours ~~and~~ Systems ~~that~~ Use Earth Time===		===Hours; Systems That Use Earth Time===

	Removed by Ysselt: Some old systems (such as repair shops) use Earth time, but this is [[Out of Character\|out of character]].<br>		Removed by Ysselt: Some old systems (such as repair shops) use Earth time, but this is [[Out of Character\|out of character]].<br>

ISHARON: /* Units of Time */

2010-05-07T21:26:59Z

Units of Time

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			===Hours and Systems that Use Earth Time===

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	:[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 01:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		:[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 01:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

	:I don't think you can say an hour is ooc but a minute isn't. We were told those uses weren't OOC - we have to call it something else, in my opinion, not OOC. RL Time pershaps, but not OOC. Also in every instance of the use "minute" or "hour" in game, it's RL time duration. Why isn't it so difficult to say the definition of a IG minute and an IG roisaen aren't the same, but different measurements of length of time but both are equally accepted as being IC. Just don't think you can have it both ways saying minute isn't OOC and then later calling hour OOC when we just had a post saying it wasn't. --[[User:Ysselt\|Ysselt]] 10:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		:I don't think you can say an hour is ooc but a minute isn't. We were told those uses weren't OOC - we have to call it something else, in my opinion, not OOC. RL Time pershaps, but not OOC. Also in every instance of the use "minute" or "hour" in game, it's RL time duration. Why isn't it so difficult to say the definition of a IG minute and an IG roisaen aren't the same, but different measurements of length of time but both are equally accepted as being IC. Just don't think you can have it both ways saying minute isn't OOC and then later calling hour OOC when we just had a post saying it wasn't. --[[User:Ysselt\|Ysselt]] 10:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

	::As I said before, the mere use of the term "hour" doesn't make it OOC. "Hour" can be IC or OOC depending on how it is used. There is an Elanthian unit called the hour, which is defined as 15 minutes, and some people also refer to anlaen as "hours" (though this usage is ambiguous.) "Hour" is OOC when it is used to mean 60 minutes.<br><br>		::As I said before, the mere use of the term "hour" doesn't make it OOC. "Hour" can be IC or OOC depending on how it is used. There is an Elanthian unit called the hour, which is defined as 15 minutes, and some people also refer to anlaen as "hours" (though this usage is ambiguous.) "Hour" is OOC when it is used to mean 60 minutes.<br><br>
	::However, the issue of the term "hour" is separate from the fact that Earth time is still used in some systems. (That's why I moved it to a more general section and omitted any reference to "hours.") Most of these are old systems that may have been released before the time system. In other cases, Earth time was chosen for the convenience of the player. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 17:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		::However, the issue of the term "hour" is separate from the fact that Earth time is still used in some systems. (That's why I moved it to a more general section and omitted any reference to "hours.") Most of these are old systems that may have been released before the time system. In other cases, Earth time was chosen for the convenience of the player. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 17:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

			===Andu vs. Day===

			'''Rangergls's Revision to the Elanthia -> Earth Conversion Chart''': Despite the literal meaning of "andu," an andu is not one day long. The Elanthian andu or week spans four Elanthian days (or one Earth day). See [[Elanthian Calendar, The (book)\|The Elanthian Calendar]]. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 21:26, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

			<blockquote>Each of the months is, as was pointed out above, divided into 10 "weeks" of 4 days each. These groups of 4 days are each named after one of the great divinities of Elanthia. . . . The word "andu" (pl. andaen) literally means "day" in High [[Gamgweth]] but since each of the "days" here is actually four days long, "weeks" is the more common translation.</blockquote>

	==Time Begins==		==Time Begins==

ISHARON: /* Units of Time */

2010-05-06T17:58:01Z

Units of Time

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	:I don't think you can say an hour is ooc but a minute isn't. We were told those uses weren't OOC - we have to call it something else, in my opinion, not OOC. RL Time pershaps, but not OOC. Also in every instance of the use "minute" or "hour" in game, it's RL time duration. Why isn't it so difficult to say the definition of a IG minute and an IG roisaen aren't the same, but different measurements of length of time but both are equally accepted as being IC. Just don't think you can have it both ways saying minute isn't OOC and then later calling hour OOC when we just had a post saying it wasn't. --[[User:Ysselt\|Ysselt]] 10:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		:I don't think you can say an hour is ooc but a minute isn't. We were told those uses weren't OOC - we have to call it something else, in my opinion, not OOC. RL Time pershaps, but not OOC. Also in every instance of the use "minute" or "hour" in game, it's RL time duration. Why isn't it so difficult to say the definition of a IG minute and an IG roisaen aren't the same, but different measurements of length of time but both are equally accepted as being IC. Just don't think you can have it both ways saying minute isn't OOC and then later calling hour OOC when we just had a post saying it wasn't. --[[User:Ysselt\|Ysselt]] 10:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

	::As I said before, the mere use of the term "hour" doesn't make it OOC. "Hour" can be ~~OOC~~ or IC depending on how it's used. There is an Elanthian unit called the hour, which is defined as 15 minutes, and some people also refer to anlaen as "hours" (though this usage is ambiguous.) "Hour" is OOC when it is used to mean 60 minutes.<br><br>		::As I said before, the mere use of the term "hour" doesn't make it OOC. "Hour" can be IC or OOC depending on how it is used. There is an Elanthian unit called the hour, which is defined as 15 minutes, and some people also refer to anlaen as "hours" (though this usage is ambiguous.) "Hour" is OOC when it is used to mean 60 minutes.<br><br>
	::~~There~~ ~~are~~ ~~some~~ ~~old~~ ~~systems~~ ~~that~~ ~~are~~ ~~clearly~~ ~~using~~ Earth time. ~~Some~~ of these systems ~~were~~ released before the time system ~~was released~~. In other cases, Earth time was chosen for the convenience of the player. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 15:24, 6 May 2010 (UTC)		::However, the issue of the term "hour" is separate from the fact that Earth time is still used in some systems. (That's why I moved it to a more general section and omitted any reference to "hours.") Most of these are old systems that may have been released before the time system. In other cases, Earth time was chosen for the convenience of the player. --[[User:Isharon\|Isharon]] 17:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

	==Time Begins==		==Time Begins==