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	: ''This page is about the Sorcery skill. See the main [[Sorcery\|Sorcery page]] for lore and mechanical information.''
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			* This page is about the Sorcery '''skill''' and, intentionally, only has very basic details.
			* See the main [[Sorcery]] page for details about lore, mechanics, and general information.
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	* Listen to a class in Sorcery skill. DO NOT do this in [[Justice]] zones.		* Listen to a class in Sorcery skill. DO NOT do this in [[Justice]] zones.
	* {{com\|CAST}} spells from other mana types that you find on [[scrolls]] or [[runestones]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].<ref>[[Backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.</ref>		* {{com\|CAST}} spells from other mana types that you find on [[scrolls]] or [[runestones]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].<ref>[[Backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.</ref>
	* Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com\|RESEARCH}} {{tt\|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].<ref>The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells</ref>		* Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com\|RESEARCH}} {{tt\|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].<ref>The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from [[:Category:Targeted abilities\|Targeted Magic]] and [[:Category:Debilitation abilities\|Debilitation]] is lower than non-combat spells.</ref>
	* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].		* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].

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	Your [[Sorcery skill]] indicates your ability to use [[Mana]] types that you're unfamiliar with. This is used instead of your [[Primary Magic ~~skill]]~~ to determine if you're able to cast a spell that uses a different mana type. Training this skill is NOT, in and of itself, illegal. However, some spells are still illegal to use in any town's [[Justice]] zones, and if you use them (or explicitly ~~[[Teaching_skill~~\|teach]] Sorcery) you can be charged with [[Justice#Crimes\|Forbidden Practices]].		Your [[Sorcery skill]] indicates your ability to use [[Mana]] types that you're unfamiliar with. This is used instead of your {{skill\|Primary Magic}} to determine if you're able to cast a spell that uses a different mana type. Training this skill is NOT, in and of itself, illegal. However, some spells are still illegal to use in any town's [[Justice]] zones, and if you use them (or explicitly {{com\|teach}} Sorcery) you can be charged with [[Justice#Crimes\|Forbidden Practices]].

	Your Sorcery ranks have three effects:		Your Sorcery ranks have three effects:
	# It serves as an alternate primary magic skill for any off frequency spell. Keep in mind that in most cases, "frequency" is a broader concept than "guild." A [[Bard]] would use Sorcery to power [[Clear Vision]] (a Lunar spell), but use Elemental Magic to power [[Fire Shard]] (an Elemental spell, even though it is not taught by his guild). If there is an extreme difference in skill, a fraction of your PM and Arcana may be used in place of Sorcery, though with none of the other benefits listed below.		# It serves as an alternate primary magic skill for any off frequency spell. Keep in mind that in most cases, "frequency" is a broader concept than "guild." A [[Bard]] would use Sorcery to power [[Clear Vision]] (a Lunar spell), but use Elemental Magic to power [[Fire Shard]] (an Elemental spell, even though it is not taught by his guild). If there is an extreme difference in skill, a fraction of your PM and {{skill\|Arcana\|Arcana}} may be used in place of Sorcery, though with none of the other benefits listed below.
	# It reduces the chance of a [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_Backlash\|sorcerous or necromantic backlash]] occurring.		# It reduces the chance of a [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_Backlash\|sorcerous or necromantic backlash]] occurring.
	# [[Cleric\|Clerics]], [[Moon_Mage\|Moon Mages]] and [[Warrior_Mage\|Warrior Mages]] will need to meet minimum Sorcery requirements to permanently learn their [[Sorcery#High_Sorcery\|guild-based sorceries]].		# [[Cleric\|Clerics]], [[Moon_Mage\|Moon Mages]] and [[Warrior_Mage\|Warrior Mages]] will need to meet minimum Sorcery requirements to permanently learn their [[Sorcery#High_Sorcery\|guild-based sorceries]].
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	* Listen to a Primary Magic class from person with a different mana type (e.g. a Warrior Mage teaching [[Elemental Magic skill]] to a Cleric)		* Listen to a Primary Magic class from person with a different mana type (e.g. a Warrior Mage teaching [[Elemental Magic skill]] to a Cleric)
	* Listen to a class in Sorcery skill. DO NOT do this in [[Justice]] zones.		* Listen to a class in Sorcery skill. DO NOT do this in [[Justice]] zones.
	* {{com\|CAST}} spells from other mana types that you find on [[scrolls]] or [[runestones]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].		* {{com\|CAST}} spells from other mana types that you find on [[scrolls]] or [[runestones]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].<ref>[[Backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.</ref>
	* Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com\|RESEARCH}} {{tt\|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].		* Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com\|RESEARCH}} {{tt\|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].<ref>The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells</ref>
	* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].		* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].

	* [[backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.
	Note: The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells

	==Spells and abilities that boost Sorcery==		==Spells and abilities that boost Sorcery==
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	==Spells and abilities that decrease Sorcery==		==Spells and abilities that decrease Sorcery==
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 Your Sorcery ranks have three effects:
 Sorcery is by definition a MU-only skill: it is the skill of casting outside the magician's frequency and is irrelevant for characters that do not have attunement. NMUs cannot learn or teach Sorcery.
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 * [[backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.
 Note: The [[Magical feats|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells
 ==Spells and abilities that boost Sorcery==

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 * [[backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.
 Note: The [[Magical feats|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells
 ==Mana inefficiency==
 : 100% of mana from sorcery when using the {{com|PREPARE}} command will be used in sorcerous casts, but only a percentage of mana used from {{com|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be applied to the spell even though the mana appears to be used normally.

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Mana inefficiency

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	: 100% of mana from sorcery when using the {{com\|PREPARE}} command will be used in sorcerous casts, but only a percentage of mana used from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be applied to the spell even though the mana appears to be used normally.		: 100% of mana from sorcery when using the {{com\|PREPARE}} command will be used in sorcerous casts, but only a percentage of mana used from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be applied to the spell even though the mana appears to be used normally.
	:The percentage of wasted mana increases as the caster moves further from their native mana type. Because this affects the difficulty of the cast, it is important to understand how much mana to use for training. Use the following chart to determine how much mana from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be used in your spell.		:The percentage of wasted mana increases as the caster moves further from their native mana type. Because this affects the difficulty of the cast, it is important to understand how much mana to use for training. Use the following chart to determine how much mana from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be used in your spell.
			::'''NOTE:''' This inefficiency is reflected even when no mana from [[cambrinth]] or [[harness]] are used in the spell pattern. Casting a spell in your native realm at 100 base prep will take far less attunement than casting a spell outside of your realm at 100 base prep. The amount of wasted mana is commensurate with the chart below.
	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"
	\|+Harness/Cambrinth mana usage		\|+Harness/Cambrinth mana usage

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	* [[backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.		* [[backfire]] and [[backlash]] are independent, in that spell difficulty and spell danger are calculated separately. The amount of mana used in the cast has no impact on backlash chance or severity, only the casting realm and base spell difficulty are calculated for backlash.
	Note: The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells		Note: The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells
	==Mana inefficiency ~~penalty~~==		==Mana inefficiency==
	: 100% of mana from sorcery when using the {{com\|PREPARE}} command will be used in sorcerous casts, but only a percentage of mana used from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be applied to the spell even though the mana appears to be used normally.		: 100% of mana from sorcery when using the {{com\|PREPARE}} command will be used in sorcerous casts, but only a percentage of mana used from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be applied to the spell even though the mana appears to be used normally.
	:The percentage of wasted mana increases as the caster moves further from their native mana type. Because this affects the difficulty of the cast, it is important to understand how much mana to use for training. Use the following chart to determine how much mana from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be used in your spell.		:The percentage of wasted mana increases as the caster moves further from their native mana type. Because this affects the difficulty of the cast, it is important to understand how much mana to use for training. Use the following chart to determine how much mana from {{com\|harness}} or [[cambrinth]] will be used in your spell.

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Mana inefficiency penalty

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	'''Example:''' A warrior mage ~~casts~~ Finesse at 5 mana. Because Lunar Magic is the Most Dangerous realm for a native elemental user, the warrior mage can max out the spell pattern by putting 237 mana in cambrinth and/or harness. (237.4)+5~=100		'''Example:''' A warrior mage prepares the [[Finesse]] spell at 5 mana. Because Lunar Magic is the Most Dangerous realm for a native elemental user, the warrior mage can max out the spell pattern by putting 237 mana in cambrinth and/or harness. (237.4)+5~=100

	==Difficulty multiplier==		==Difficulty multiplier==

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 * {{com|CAST}} spells from other mana types that you find on [[scrolls]] or [[runestones]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash|backlash]].
 * Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com|RESEARCH}} {{tt|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash|backlash]].
-* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash|backlash]]. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells
+* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash|backlash]].
-Note: The [[Magical feats|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research.
+Note: The [[Magical feats|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells
 ==Spells and abilities that boost Sorcery==

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Training Sorcery

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	* Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com\|RESEARCH}} {{tt\|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].		* Through [[magical research]] (e.g. {{com\|RESEARCH}} {{tt\|SORCERY}}). Requires 250 [[Arcana skill]]. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]].
	* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]]. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells		* Targeted Magic spells from different mana types will teach Sorcery if the cast is challenging, rather than if the attack is challenging. Beware of [[Sorcery#Sorcerous_backlash\|backlash]]. The backlash chance from Targeted Magic and Debilitation is lower than non-combat spells
			* 100% of mana from the {{com\|PREPARE}} command will be used in sorcerous casts, but only a percentage of mana used from {{com\|HARNESS}} or [[cambrinth]] will be applied to the spell even though the mana appears to be used normally. {{com\|HARNESS}} has roughly half the penalty that [[cambrinth]] does for these calculations. The percentage of wasted mana increases as the caster moves further from their native mana type. More testing is required to determine the exact percentage of the mana inefficiency penalty.
	* If you have mana issues, try casting with a cambrinth. Casting bless at 20 mana did not train, but casting at 20 mana with 32 in a cambrinth trained better than casting at 35. This can help you train faster too, each cast MIGHT accept more mana than the raw spell, but that is unclear and needs tested. - 230 sorcery, mm with 100th circle magics.
	* There appears to be some threshhold at which training with cambrinth is inefficient. At 150 sorcery, casting ecry at 30 prep yields 3 learning rates. Casting at 1 prep with 29 mana in camb yields 0 learning rates.
	Note: The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research.		Note: The [[Magical feats\|Sorcerous Patterns feat]] will reduce the severity/backlash of {{com\|CAST}} spells, but not from magical research.