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	== Setup ==

	First you want to get a {{ilink\|i\|gem pouch}}, which can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!) Simply "{{com\|ask}} ''<gem buyer> {{tt\|for}} ''<color/material>'' {{tt\|pouch}}".

	In addition, there are also more elaborate gem pouches sold at some festival shops that have a wider variety of materials and colors, as well as being adorned with various symbols (such as your favorite deity). Another type comes with a built in locks.

	Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:
	;If you already collected the gems
	:{{com\|FILL}} {{tt\|MY POUCH WITH MY}} ''<container>''
	;If you still need to collect the gems.
	:Just fill it as you go (can even set the {{com\|STORE}}age for gems to your gem pouch)

	'''''Note:''''' Gem pouches that have locks cannot be used with the {{tt\|fill}} command, due to their coding.

	To save yourself on item count, once you fill your pouch, you can {{com\|tie}} the pouch as well. Doing so makes the entire pouch count as one item, which makes it impossible to get the gems out of the pouch yourself, but it also makes it impossible for [[Thief\|Thieves]] to steal your gems. [[Trader]]s can still sell the entire pouch, so doing so is up to your preference.

	== Where To Go ==

	No-matter where you are, you will need to {{#ask:[[Shop type is:::Category:Gem Shops]]\|?Found on map\|limit=0\|searchlabel=find a gem shop}}. There are two basic types of gem shops, financed and regular. While all regular gem shops have a contract with the Traders guild which allow only Traders to sell pouches at them, the financed shops are generally less frequented by traders and the Trader's Guild "finances" the shops (hence the name) by actually paying to keep them in business.

	At a financed shop, anyone can choose to sell a full pouch, though elsewhere you will need to find a trader.

	Easy ways to find a Trader:
	* Gweth for one.
	* Meet one in your local market and ask them to help you.
	* Find one on duty in the gemshop itself
	* Notice a crier:
	: You hear the voice of a crier outside announce, "Beg pardon and hate to disturb, but ''<Trader Name>'' is at the ''<location>'' if you have need of ''<his/her>'' services."

	== Now What? ==

	So you have found a Trader and have met him or her at the gemshop of your choice. Now what? First depending on your method of finding them you'll want to make sure they are "on duty" or "willing to sell your gem pouch." As with anyone in the realms, people have a chance to fall asleep and its easier to ask than to assume.

	Then you will {{com\|give}} the trader your pouch. This allows the trader to negotiate with the appraiser for a value. Most traders will ask you if a value is ok, if they don't and you want them to, just say so. They will then usually hand you back an empty pouch and your coin from that pouch.

	If you are curious how much a trader has helped you, feel free to ask the appraiser to appraise your whole pouch before handing it off and compare the prices. (See: [[Trader gem selling bonus]] for details)

	== Tip ==

	In general, as with most services in the realms, you will want to {{com\|tip}} a trader for their help. What constitutes a good tip is usually up to you (and the trader). Some common tips that have been witnessed:
	* 50% of the pouch value increase over what the appraiser told you
	* 100% of the pouch value increase over what the appraiser told you
	* 10% of the full value of the pouch
	* ''You can be sure to decide what works for you''

	Generally if you have multiple pouches it is best to wait until all pouches are sold to tip, but how much and how you go about doing it is definitely up to you.

	== FAQ ==

	=== Why would a trader want to do this? ===
	* Selling gem pouches teach one of a Traders primary skills needed to circle '''{{skill\|trading}}''', and some circles require 7 or more ranks of Trading to circle, so definitely a skill Traders want to work on.
	* Less dangerous than trade roads

	=== Why should I use a trader when I have a script to sell my gems easily? ===
	* Traders can earn you a large bonus to your gem worth, and it saves time all around.

	=== I think the trader is trying to scam me, they offered me less than the appraiser offered me ===
	Usually this is the case with traders who are just starting to be able to sell gem pouches in bulk, that ability begins to happen right around 12th circle.<br />
	When anyone, Trader or not sells a pouch there is a random +/-10% of appraisal value factored into what you are offered. Traders get a bonus to that random +/-10%, but it is not until the Traders bonus exceeds 20% that you can be guaranteed to '''never''' get offered a value above what the Trader is offered Still, they are more likely to get a positive value. (When you sell gems individually that +/-10% is applied to each gem rather than whole pouch, so chances are you will STILL get a positive boost)<br />
	For more information on the numbers and reasoning here, see [[Trader gem selling bonus]]

	=== I need some other Trader provided service, can you help? ===
	It is generally accepted to wander into a gemshop and ask a Trader if they can do the thing you want, and if they would be willing to. Traders also get bonuses to selling bundles of skin, selling at the Pawn Shop, and can sell things for you at their Market Tables, or even run an auction among other things. If you need a service just ask!

	[[Category:Tutorials]]

ACYNARIAN: /* Where To Go */

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Where To Go

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	Easy ways to find a Trader:		Easy ways to find a Trader:
	* Gweth for one.		* Gweth for one.
	* Meet on in your local market and ask them to help you.		* Meet one in your local market and ask them to help you.
	* Find one on duty in the gemshop itself		* Find one on duty in the gemshop itself
	* Notice a crier:		* Notice a crier:

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	=== I need some other Trader provided service, can you help? ===		=== I need some other Trader provided service, can you help? ===
	It is generally accepted to wander into a gemshop and ask a Trader if they can do the thing you want, and if they would be willing to. Traders also get bonuses to selling bundles of skin, selling at the Pawn Shop, and can sell things for you at their Market Tables, or even run an auction among other things. If you need a service just ask!		It is generally accepted to wander into a gemshop and ask a Trader if they can do the thing you want, and if they would be willing to. Traders also get bonuses to selling bundles of skin, selling at the Pawn Shop, and can sell things for you at their Market Tables, or even run an auction among other things. If you need a service just ask!

			[[Category:Tutorials]]

CALLEK: /* Where To Go */

2009-01-22T04:18:04Z

Where To Go

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	* Find one on duty in the gemshop itself		* Find one on duty in the gemshop itself
	* Notice a crier:		* Notice a crier:
	: You hear the voice of a crier outside announce, "Beg pardon and hate to disturb, but ''<~~rader~~ Name>'' is at the ''<location>'' if you have need of ''<his/her>'' services."		: You hear the voice of a crier outside announce, "Beg pardon and hate to disturb, but ''<Trader Name>'' is at the ''<location>'' if you have need of ''<his/her>'' services."

	== Now What? ==		== Now What? ==

CARAAMON at 21:13, 21 January 2009

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	First you want to get a {{ilink\|i\|gem pouch}}, which can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!) Simply "{{com\|ask}} ''<gem buyer> {{tt\|for}} ''<color/material>'' {{tt\|pouch}}".		First you want to get a {{ilink\|i\|gem pouch}}, which can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!) Simply "{{com\|ask}} ''<gem buyer> {{tt\|for}} ''<color/material>'' {{tt\|pouch}}".

	In addition, there are also more elaborate gem pouches sold at some festival shops that have a variety of materials and colors as well as symbols of ~~gods~~. ~~Some~~ ~~even~~ ~~come~~ with ~~their~~ ~~own~~ locks.		In addition, there are also more elaborate gem pouches sold at some festival shops that have a wider variety of materials and colors, as well as being adorned with various symbols (such as your favorite deity). Another type comes with a built in locks.

	Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:		Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:

CARAAMON: added a few more notes

2009-01-21T21:11:53Z

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	== Setup ==		== Setup ==

	First you want to get a {{ilink\|i\|gem pouch}}, which can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!)		First you want to get a {{ilink\|i\|gem pouch}}, which can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!) Simply "{{com\|ask}} ''<gem buyer> {{tt\|for}} ''<color/material>'' {{tt\|pouch}}".

			In addition, there are also more elaborate gem pouches sold at some festival shops that have a variety of materials and colors as well as symbols of gods. Some even come with their own locks.

	Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:		Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:
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	:Just fill it as you go (can even set the {{com\|STORE}}age for gems to your gem pouch)		:Just fill it as you go (can even set the {{com\|STORE}}age for gems to your gem pouch)

			'''''Note:''''' Gem pouches that have locks cannot be used with the {{tt\|fill}} command, due to their coding.
⚫	To save yourself on item count, once you fill your pouch you can {{com\|tie}} the pouch as well. Doing so makes it impossible to get the gems out of the pouch yourself ~~though~~, ~~and~~ it also makes it impossible for [[Thief\|Thieves]] to steal your gems. [[Trader]]s can still sell the entire pouch, so doing so is up to your preference.

		⚫	To save yourself on item count, once you fill your pouch, you can {{com\|tie}} the pouch as well. Doing so makes the entire pouch count as one item, which makes it impossible to get the gems out of the pouch yourself, but it also makes it impossible for [[Thief\|Thieves]] to steal your gems. [[Trader]]s can still sell the entire pouch, so doing so is up to your preference.

	== Where To Go ==		== Where To Go ==

CARAAMON: edited as requested

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	== Setup ==		== Setup ==

	First you want to get a ~~[[Item:Gem pouch~~\|gem pouch]], ~~getting a gem pouch is easy can~~ can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!)		First you want to get a {{ilink\|i\|gem pouch}}, which can be done at any gemshop (and you can even [[Item:Gem pouch#Freely_Available_Colors.2FMaterials\|choose your style or color]]!)

	Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:		Once you have a gem pouch, you can then fill it with gems:
	;If you already collected the gems		;If you already collected the gems
	:{{com\|FILL}} MY POUCH WITH MY <~~CONTAINER~~>		:{{com\|FILL}} {{tt\|MY POUCH WITH MY}} ''<container>''
	;If you still need to collect the gems.		;If you still need to collect the gems.
	:Just fill it as you go (can even set the {{com\|STORE}}age for gems to your gem pouch)		:Just fill it as you go (can even set the {{com\|STORE}}age for gems to your gem pouch)

	To save yourself on item count, once you fill your pouch you can {{com\|tie}} the pouch as well. Doing so makes it impossible to get the gems out of the pouch yourself though, it also makes it impossible for ~~thieves~~ to steal your gems. ~~The trader~~ can still sell the entire pouch, so doing so is up to your preference.		To save yourself on item count, once you fill your pouch you can {{com\|tie}} the pouch as well. Doing so makes it impossible to get the gems out of the pouch yourself though, and it also makes it impossible for [[Thief\|Thieves]] to steal your gems. [[Trader]]s can still sell the entire pouch, so doing so is up to your preference.

	== Where to go ==		== Where To Go ==

	No-matter where you are, you will need to {{#ask:[[Shop type is:::Category:Gem Shops]]\|?Found on map\|limit=0\|searchlabel=find a gem shop}}. There are two basic types of gem shops, financed and regular. ~~All~~ regular gem shops have a contract with the ~~traders~~ guild which allow only ~~traders~~ to sell at, the financed shops are generally less frequented by traders, ~~but~~ the ~~Traders~~ Guild "finances" the shops (hence the name) by actually paying to keep them in business.		No-matter where you are, you will need to {{#ask:[[Shop type is:::Category:Gem Shops]]\|?Found on map\|limit=0\|searchlabel=find a gem shop}}. There are two basic types of gem shops, financed and regular. While all regular gem shops have a contract with the Traders guild which allow only Traders to sell pouches at them, the financed shops are generally less frequented by traders and the Trader's Guild "finances" the shops (hence the name) by actually paying to keep them in business.

	At a financed shop anyone can choose to sell a full pouch, though ~~if you are not at a financed shop~~ you will need to find a trader.		At a financed shop, anyone can choose to sell a full pouch, though elsewhere you will need to find a trader.

			Easy ways to find a Trader:
	*Gweth for one.		* Gweth for one.
	*Meet on in your local market and ask them to help you.		* Meet on in your local market and ask them to help you.
	*Find one on duty in the gemshop itself		* Find one on duty in the gemshop itself
⚫	*Notice a crier: ''You hear the voice of a crier outside announce, "Beg pardon and hate to disturb, but '''<~~nowiki>Trader~~ Name~~</nowiki~~>''' is at the ~~Crossing gem shop~~ if you have need of ~~<nowiki>~~<his/her>~~</nowiki>~~ services."''
			* Notice a crier:
		⚫	: You hear the voice of a crier outside announce, "Beg pardon and hate to disturb, but ''<rader Name>'' is at the ''<location>'' if you have need of ''<his/her>'' services."

	== Now ~~what~~ ==		== Now What? ==

	So you have found a Trader. ~~And~~ have met him/her at the gemshop of your choice. Now what? First depending on your method of finding them you'll want to make sure they are "on duty" or "willing to sell your gem pouch". As with anyone in the realms, people have a chance to fall asleep and its easier to ask than to assume.		So you have found a Trader and have met him or her at the gemshop of your choice. Now what? First depending on your method of finding them you'll want to make sure they are "on duty" or "willing to sell your gem pouch." As with anyone in the realms, people have a chance to fall asleep and its easier to ask than to assume.

	Then you will {{com\|give}} the trader your pouch. This allows the trader to negotiate with the appraiser for a value. Most traders will ask you if a value is ok, if they don't and you want them to, just say so. They will then usually hand you back an empty pouch and your coin from that pouch.		Then you will {{com\|give}} the trader your pouch. This allows the trader to negotiate with the appraiser for a value. Most traders will ask you if a value is ok, if they don't and you want them to, just say so. They will then usually hand you back an empty pouch and your coin from that pouch.
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	== FAQ ==		== FAQ ==

	=== Why would a trader want to do this? ===		=== Why would a trader want to do this? ===
	* Selling gem pouches teach one of a Traders primary skills needed to circle '''{{skill\|trading}}''', and some circles require 7 or more ranks of ~~trading~~ to circle, so definitely a skill ~~traders~~ want to work on.		* Selling gem pouches teach one of a Traders primary skills needed to circle '''{{skill\|trading}}''', and some circles require 7 or more ranks of Trading to circle, so definitely a skill Traders want to work on.
	* Less dangerous than trade roads		* Less dangerous than trade roads

	=== Why should I use a trader when I have a script to sell my gems easily? ===		=== Why should I use a trader when I have a script to sell my gems easily? ===
	* Traders can earn you ~~up to~~ a large bonus to your gem worth, and it saves time all around.		* Traders can earn you a large bonus to your gem worth, and it saves time all around.

	=== I think the trader is trying to scam me, they offered me less than the appraiser offered me ===		=== I think the trader is trying to scam me, they offered me less than the appraiser offered me ===
	Usually this is the case with traders who are just starting to be able to sell gem pouches in bulk, that ability begins to happen right around 12th circle.		Usually this is the case with traders who are just starting to be able to sell gem pouches in bulk, that ability begins to happen right around 12th circle.<br />
	When anyone, ~~trader~~ or not sells a pouch there is a +/-10% of appraisal value factored into what you are offered. ~~The traders~~ get a bonus to that +/-10% ~~random~~, it is not until the Traders bonus exceeds 20% that you can be guaranteed to '''never''' get offered a value above what the ~~trader~~ is offered, ~~but~~ they are more likely to get a positive value. (When you sell gems individually that +/-10% is applied to each gem rather than whole pouch, so chances are you will STILL get a positive boost)		When anyone, Trader or not sells a pouch there is a random +/-10% of appraisal value factored into what you are offered. Traders get a bonus to that random +/-10%, but it is not until the Traders bonus exceeds 20% that you can be guaranteed to '''never''' get offered a value above what the Trader is offered Still, they are more likely to get a positive value. (When you sell gems individually that +/-10% is applied to each gem rather than whole pouch, so chances are you will STILL get a positive boost)<br />
	For more information on the numbers and reasoning here, see [[Trader gem selling bonus]]		For more information on the numbers and reasoning here, see [[Trader gem selling bonus]]

	=== I need some other ~~trader~~ provided service, can you help? ===		=== I need some other Trader provided service, can you help? ===
	It is generally accepted to wander into a gemshop and ask a ~~trader~~ if they can do the thing you want, and if they would be willing to, ~~traders~~ also get bonuses to ~~Bundle~~ of ~~Skin~~ selling, Pawn ~~Selling~~, and can ~~Open~~ Market Tables, run an auction among other things. If you need a service just ask!		It is generally accepted to wander into a gemshop and ask a Trader if they can do the thing you want, and if they would be willing to. Traders also get bonuses to selling bundles of skin, selling at the Pawn Shop, and can sell things for you at their Market Tables, or even run an auction among other things. If you need a service just ask!

CALLEK at 18:20, 21 January 2009

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	== Setup ==		== Setup ==

CALLEK at 18:19, 21 January 2009

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 == Where to go ==
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 If you are curious how much a trader has helped you, feel free to ask the appraiser to appraise your whole pouch before handing it off and compare the prices. (See: [[Trader gem selling bonus]] for details)