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		<title>SCHULTZS3: Created page with &quot;{{Post |a=DR-SOCHARIS |t=Re: Backstab |d=01/24/2013 10:54 AM CST |n=1269 |f=The Thieves/General Discussions - Thieves |c=m |p=&#039;&#039;&gt;&gt;Thank you! And thanks for all the work on Bac...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{Post |a=DR-SOCHARIS |t=Re: Backstab |d=01/24/2013 10:54 AM CST |n=1269 |f=The Thieves/General Discussions - Thieves |c=m |p=&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Thank you! And thanks for all the work on Bac...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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|p=&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Thank you! And thanks for all the work on Backstab experience, it&amp;#039;s much more enjoyable to train now than it was in 2.0. Still think it could use a damage increase though as it doesn&amp;#039;t seem to hit very hard.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just FYI, the amount of backstab experience you get right now is a lot higher than intended. I made some fixes to backstab to grant its experience using the same difficulty curves that combat does, but I accidentally left in a bug that caused it to be a lot more. In general, when BACKSTAB is used, it should be training in roughly the same range as a weapon. If you&amp;#039;re learning at a normal rate right now, you&amp;#039;re going to learn worse once I fix the bug, and you&amp;#039;ll need to find something that&amp;#039;s at-level for your backstab. There IS a tradeoff, though - Backstab will grant more experience per second than a normal attack, but it will only grant on a hit.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Subsequent backstabs lose part of #3, but continue to see the bonus from 1 and 2.&lt;br /&gt;
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Given my earlier comment, this is no longer the case. No reason for the stealth diminishing returns reductions when you&amp;#039;re killing your target.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;If you&amp;#039;re outclassing your opponent, attack the right eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does this grant you more experience because you&amp;#039;re forcing yourself to miss?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;you could, from hiding, attack (body part), and learn backstab. I believe it lacked a lot of the bonuses of backstab, but it made the skill trainable, and didn&amp;#039;t force theives to hunt 1 single sub type which is typically sparsley populated throught the ranks, and rarely skinnable.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;It sounds like this is now either disabled, or not granting the backstab exp it used to.&lt;br /&gt;
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This... seems like a terribly monstrous hack that&amp;#039;s the result of a narrow design for Backstab. While it&amp;#039;ll probably make it back in the short term, know that finding a more holistic solution is near the top of my list.&lt;br /&gt;
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