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		<title>CARAAMON at 03:54, 24 November 2013</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 22:54, 23 November 2013&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Perhaps related: The term &quot;Children of Grazhir&quot; implies a distinction. Is the distinction between Elanthian seers and Elanthian non-seers, or is it broader than that? For example, in the first instance, one could interpret &quot;Children&quot; as a reference to all Elanthians, and &quot;Children of Grazhir&quot; as a reference to those with a connection to the plane of probability. In the second instance, all Elanthians could be the interpreted meaning of &quot;Children of Grazhir,&quot; while races on some other crazy planet are &quot;Children of Jabberwocky.&quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Perhaps related: The term &quot;Children of Grazhir&quot; implies a distinction. Is the distinction between Elanthian seers and Elanthian non-seers, or is it broader than that? For example, in the first instance, one could interpret &quot;Children&quot; as a reference to all Elanthians, and &quot;Children of Grazhir&quot; as a reference to those with a connection to the plane of probability. In the second instance, all Elanthians could be the interpreted meaning of &quot;Children of Grazhir,&quot; while races on some other crazy planet are &quot;Children of Jabberwocky.&quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Children of Grazhir is an archaic term for prophets (Note: I would say lunar magicians here, but with traders getting lunar magic in the near future I need to clean up my terminology. Traders would not qualify).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;My thought was that there is no way &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;{{PRel|Taramaine}}] could maintain his position otherwise (due to intra-sect power struggles or external politics).&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;My thought was that there is no way &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;{{PRel|Taramaine}}] could maintain his position otherwise (due to intra-sect power struggles or external politics).&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The explaination for &quot;Children of Grazhir&quot; has been clarified by [[Post:Background - 10/07/2013 - 16:25]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>CARAAMON: Created page with &quot;{{Post |a=DR-RAESH |t=Re: Background |d=10/07/2013 03:09 PM CDT |n=744 |f=The Moon Mages \ Guild Events |c=r |p=&#039;&#039;&gt;&gt;How about more on G&#039;nar Peth then? Dothrein said some i...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{Post |a=DR-RAESH |t=Re: Background |d=10/07/2013 03:09 PM CDT |n=744 |f=The Moon Mages \ Guild Events |c=r |p=&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;How about more on &lt;a href=&quot;/G%27nar_Peth&quot; title=&quot;G&amp;#039;nar Peth&quot;&gt;G&amp;#039;nar Peth&lt;/a&gt; then? Dothrein said some i...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{Post&lt;br /&gt;
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|p=&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;How about more on [[G&amp;#039;nar Peth]] then? Dothrein said some interesting stuff that&amp;#039;s up on Elanthipedia, but it&amp;#039;s from 2001. Was/is G&amp;#039;nar an entity? An idea? Mortal?&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Perhaps related: The term &amp;quot;Children of Grazhir&amp;quot; implies a distinction. Is the distinction between Elanthian seers and Elanthian non-seers, or is it broader than that? For example, in the first instance, one could interpret &amp;quot;Children&amp;quot; as a reference to all Elanthians, and &amp;quot;Children of Grazhir&amp;quot; as a reference to those with a connection to the plane of probability. In the second instance, all Elanthians could be the interpreted meaning of &amp;quot;Children of Grazhir,&amp;quot; while races on some other crazy planet are &amp;quot;Children of Jabberwocky.&amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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Children of Grazhir is an archaic term for prophets (Note: I would say lunar magicians here, but with traders getting lunar magic in the near future I need to clean up my terminology. Traders would not qualify).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;My thought was that there is no way &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;{{PRel|Taramaine}}] could maintain his position otherwise (due to intra-sect power struggles or external politics).&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Keep in mind he&amp;#039;s a [[Braun]]. That&amp;#039;s like being a Kennedy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Who is the guild&amp;#039;s most gifted &amp;quot;interpreter&amp;quot; in contemporary times? If a vision has to be interepreted by midnight or the Dragon wakes up, who does the guild call?&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don&amp;#039;t know that there&amp;#039;s one singular answer for this - the study of prophecy is a vast and important one to the guild. Many mages dedicate their lives to understanding, cataloging, recording and interpreting predictions. If I had to take a stab in the dark I&amp;#039;d say [[Lomtaun]] has the most experience with prophecy among the Guildleaders (He&amp;#039;s easily the oldest), but he&amp;#039;s just one man and their are other powerful seer&amp;#039;s with less demands on their time. There are entire branches of the [[Celestial Compact|Compact]] and [[Heritage House]] (in particular) that deal with prediction research exclusively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;I wasn&amp;#039;t playing a moon mage during those events, but the [[Y&amp;#039;shai]] have always been interesting to me. Maybe I&amp;#039;m misremembering but I thought [[Kreich]] was around more recently too (last 4 years or so) and was causing some tension because of his disagreement with [[Kssarh]] (or someone official) about pursuing the Children.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If it was, that&amp;#039;s before my time and I have no recording of it. Are you thinking of [[Daldruk]]?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Are there factions within the guild that are sympathetic to the {{PRel|Children of Kaelstraum|Children}}, or is support for [[Karosti]] basically equivalent to support for the guild&amp;#039;s destruction?&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not really, no. There are certainly players who are sympathetic towards them, but this doesn&amp;#039;t reflect the guild at large. They are, literally, terrorists and views on how to handle them are divergent but it&amp;#039;s really a &amp;quot;with us&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;against us&amp;quot; deal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-[[Raesh]]&lt;br /&gt;
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