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TK-421: /* Troubleshooting Missing Creatures */

2021-07-22T06:37:44Z

Troubleshooting Missing Creatures

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	* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.		* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.
	* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).		* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).
⚫	* For the region-specific hunting ladders, ~~ensure~~ ~~that that~~ a location ~~has been correctly~~ populated~~. It needs~~ both the province and the nearest city/landmark.

	Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.		Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.

		⚫	The region-specific hunting ladders also require a location populated (both the province and the nearest city/landmark).
⚫	Once ~~it's~~ ~~fixed,~~ refresh the hunting ladder page by using the "Refresh" option in the "More" dropdown at the top of the page (next to the watchlist star icon).

		⚫	Once all required fields are populated: refresh the hunting ladder page by using the "Refresh" option in the "More" dropdown at the top of the page (next to the watchlist star icon).

	Beyond that? The ladder queries are designed to ignore rare creatures ([[:Category:Quest creatures\|quest]] and [[:Category:Invasion creatures\|invasion]] stuff) and (in some cases) [[flex]] creatures, too.<br>--[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		Beyond that? The ladder queries are designed to ignore rare creatures ([[:Category:Quest creatures\|quest]] and [[:Category:Invasion creatures\|invasion]] stuff) and (in some cases) [[flex]] creatures, too.<br>--[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

TK-421: /* Troubleshooting Missing Creatures */

2021-07-22T06:33:29Z

Troubleshooting Missing Creatures

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	* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.		* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.
	* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).		* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).
	* For the region-specific hunting ladders, ensure that that a location has been correctly populated. It needs both the province and the nearest city.		* For the region-specific hunting ladders, ensure that that a location has been correctly populated. It needs both the province and the nearest city/landmark.

	Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.		Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.

TK-421: /* Troubleshooting Missing Creatures */

2021-07-22T06:33:07Z

Troubleshooting Missing Creatures

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	Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.		Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.

			Once it's fixed, refresh the hunting ladder page by using the "Refresh" option in the "More" dropdown at the top of the page (next to the watchlist star icon).

	Beyond that? The ladder queries are designed to ignore rare creatures ([[:Category:Quest creatures\|quest]] and [[:Category:Invasion creatures\|invasion]] stuff) and (in some cases) [[flex]] creatures, too.<br>--[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 May 2021 (CDT)		Beyond that? The ladder queries are designed to ignore rare creatures ([[:Category:Quest creatures\|quest]] and [[:Category:Invasion creatures\|invasion]] stuff) and (in some cases) [[flex]] creatures, too.<br>--[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

TK-421: /* Troubleshooting Missing Creatures */

2021-07-22T06:28:24Z

Troubleshooting Missing Creatures

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	* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.		* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.
	* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).		* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).
			* For the region-specific hunting ladders, ensure that that a location has been correctly populated. It needs both the province and the nearest city.

	Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.		Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.

TK-421 at 18:58, 2 May 2021

2021-05-02T18:58:52Z

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			==Accuracy==
	How accurate are the hunting ladders? Like, the hunting ladders SAY that you can learn from musk hogs up to 35, but my bow skill is only 30--yet I'm not learning bows from hogs anymore. And pale grey death squirrels stopped teaching me bows when my skill hit 28.		How accurate are the hunting ladders? Like, the hunting ladders SAY that you can learn from musk hogs up to 35, but my bow skill is only 30--yet I'm not learning bows from hogs anymore. And pale grey death squirrels stopped teaching me bows when my skill hit 28.

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	:In short, feel free to correct any data that is no longer accurate. (You can use the "edit with form" button to help with formatting.) --[[User:ISHARON\|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON\|talk]]) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (CDT)		:In short, feel free to correct any data that is no longer accurate. (You can use the "edit with form" button to help with formatting.) --[[User:ISHARON\|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON\|talk]]) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (CDT)


	== Switch to appraisal values? ==		== Switch to appraisal values? ==

	Rather than setting max = hard cap of highest skill and min = approximately safe defenses, would it make more sense to score creatures via their appraisal? This could be:		Rather than setting max = hard cap of highest skill and min = approximately safe defenses, would it make more sense to score creatures via their appraisal? This could be:

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	''Do you have a creature that should be showing up one of the tables but is not?''		''Do you have a creature that should be showing up one of the tables but is not?''
	* Double-check that it has a [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.		* Double-check that it has an [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.
	* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).		* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).

TK-421: /* Troubleshooting Missing Creatures */ new section

2021-05-02T18:57:29Z

Troubleshooting Missing Creatures: new section

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	[[User:RCANINE\|RCANINE]] ([[User talk:RCANINE\|talk]]) 11:51, 19 November 2017 (CST)		[[User:RCANINE\|RCANINE]] ([[User talk:RCANINE\|talk]]) 11:51, 19 November 2017 (CST)

			== Troubleshooting Missing Creatures ==

			All of the various ladders are dynamic <code>#ask</code> queries.

			''Do you have a creature that should be showing up one of the tables but is not?''
			* Double-check that it has a [[Property:Overall relative creature level is\|Overall Creature Level]] populated.
			* Double-check that it has the player-gathered rank ranges populated ([[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MinCap]] and [[Property:MinSkillCap is\|MaxCap]]).

			Most of the hunting ladders are trying to sort the results by these three values. If something's missing... that's likely your issue.

			Beyond that? The ladder queries are designed to ignore rare creatures ([[:Category:Quest creatures\|quest]] and [[:Category:Invasion creatures\|invasion]] stuff) and (in some cases) [[flex]] creatures, too.<br>--[[User:TK-421\|TK-421]] ([[User talk:TK-421\|talk]]) 13:57, 2 May 2021 (CDT)

RCANINE: /* Switch to appraisal values? */

2017-11-19T17:51:57Z

Switch to appraisal values?

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	This has the benefit of being concrete numbers, which will not vary by guild. This will make monsters far easier to maintain, and make it more likely random players will keep monsters up to date.		This has the benefit of being concrete numbers, which will not vary by guild. This will make monsters far easier to maintain, and make it more likely random players will keep monsters up to date.

			[[User:RCANINE\|RCANINE]] ([[User talk:RCANINE\|talk]]) 11:51, 19 November 2017 (CST)

RCANINE: Added suggestion for changing monsters to use appraisal values

2017-11-19T17:51:37Z

Added suggestion for changing monsters to use appraisal values

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	:In short, feel free to correct any data that is no longer accurate. (You can use the "edit with form" button to help with formatting.) --[[User:ISHARON\|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON\|talk]]) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (CDT)		:In short, feel free to correct any data that is no longer accurate. (You can use the "edit with form" button to help with formatting.) --[[User:ISHARON\|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON\|talk]]) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (CDT)


			== Switch to appraisal values? ==

			Rather than setting max = hard cap of highest skill and min = approximately safe defenses, would it make more sense to score creatures via their appraisal? This could be:

			Offense: the range (or median value) at which the creature the creature trains weapons acceptably
			Defense: the range (or median value) at which the creature trains defensive skills acceptably

			Monster level would be the average of the two values.

			This has the benefit of being concrete numbers, which will not vary by guild. This will make monsters far easier to maintain, and make it more likely random players will keep monsters up to date.

ISHARON at 08:23, 14 September 2017

2017-09-14T08:23:19Z

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	Is it possible that the numbers need to be updated? [[User:GEHAYI]] 12:00 a.m., 12 September 2017 (EDT)		Is it possible that the numbers need to be updated? [[User:GEHAYI]] 12:00 a.m., 12 September 2017 (EDT)
			:The number we use for maximum ranks is the hard cap of the highest skill that can be learned here. Generally, weapons cap before defenses. (So if a creature stops giving any weapon experience at 28 ranks but awards armor experience through 35 ranks, the value is 35.)

			:The minimum rank is intended to be the defenses when you could reasonably expect to survive when hunting at level. This is admittedly subjective, as your survivability depends on stats, special abilities, gear, and other factors.

			:The teaching ranges have been narrowed since 3.0 went live, so it is likely that many creatures need to be updated. This is a slow process for a number of reasons:
			:*The wiki is only updated by a small percentage of players.
			:*One of those players has to have a character who is in the sweet spot for testing that creature's rank ranges.
			:*Less popular creatures (ones in remote locations, ones that can't be skinned or don't drop boxes, etc.) are less likely to be hunted enough for testing.

			:In short, feel free to correct any data that is no longer accurate. (You can use the "edit with form" button to help with formatting.) --[[User:ISHARON\|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON\|talk]]) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (CDT)

GEHAYI at 03:54, 12 September 2017

2017-09-12T03:54:48Z

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	How accurate are the hunting ladders? Like, the hunting ladders SAY that you can learn from musk hogs up to 35, but my bow skill is only 30--yet I'm not learning bows from hogs anymore. And pale grey death squirrels stopped teaching me bows when my skill hit 28.		How accurate are the hunting ladders? Like, the hunting ladders SAY that you can learn from musk hogs up to 35, but my bow skill is only 30--yet I'm not learning bows from hogs anymore. And pale grey death squirrels stopped teaching me bows when my skill hit 28.

	Is it possible that the numbers need to be updated?		Is it possible that the numbers need to be updated? [[User:GEHAYI]] 12:00 a.m., 12 September 2017 (EDT)