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Talk:Mapmakers timeline

2009-04-13T00:18:38Z

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The link for "Osirian’s House of Maps – City focused maps" is broken. (AOL Hometown closed) Not sure how to indicate that. Apologies if I did this wrong, I am clueless.

Also- Phaedra's Archive doesn't appear to have any actual maps, and Wyrblade's page is gone.

Talk:Mapmakers timeline

2009-04-13T00:10:38Z

DREDDED: Created page with 'The link for "Osirian’s House of Maps – City focused maps" is broken. (AOL Hometown closed) Not sure how to indicate that. Apologies if I did this wrong, I am clueless.'

The link for "Osirian’s House of Maps – City focused maps" is broken. (AOL Hometown closed) Not sure how to indicate that. Apologies if I did this wrong, I am clueless.

Metal

2009-04-12T15:24:53Z

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{{RTOC}}
==Rare Types==
===Anlora-avtoma===
Rare and bluish-white in color. May be [[Elothean]] in origin. Reputedly resistant to magic.

===Damite===
In its raw form, this is black, sort of like granite, only not as pretty, and very difficult to work with. In large quantities, it's even harder to work with. It isn't at all suited to jewelry use, but makes for nice weapons and maybe even armor, or so the rumor goes. 
Availability: Very rare. 
Forging Properties: Very hard, very flexible, and extremely heavy

===Glaes===
This is a gorgeous metal -- sort of a glossy, near-translucent blue-black. If a smith is god-like in his abilities, it will go white in the forging process, at which point it can be colored with crushed gems. It is found in veins of lava, in extremely tiny quantities. 
Availability: Extremely rare 
Forging Properties: extremely hard, extremely flexible, extremely heavy

===Kertig===
These are tiny blobs of silvery-black metal that comes from meteors and comets, so keep your eyes on the skies! Or, since it weighs a lot more than lead, maybe keep digging deeper, because when this hits the ground, it usually ends up several feet below it. Beautiful enough to be used for (weighty) jewelry, this extremely rare metal is much more commonly used by forgers. 
Availability: Extremely rare. 
Forging Properties: absurdly hard, fairly flexible, very heavy

===Lumium===
Looks sort of like the dull side of tin foil. Not very pretty, and not used much for jewelry purposes, because, well, it looks like cheap silver, and if you're going to have something that looks like cheap silver, you might as well just have silver, get it scuffed up, and use this in a weapon anyway! 
Availability: Very rare 
Forging Properties: very soft, extremely rigid, extremely light

===Niniam===
This is a sort of sedimentary substance, sort of like the limestone you'd find in the cracks of old igneous rocks. Its crystal form is a white powder, while its metal form is a dark blue-grey. It takes a LOT of heat to work with, and isn't in the least suitable for jewelry. 
Availability: Very rare 
Forging Properties: hard, somewhat brittle, very light

===Oravir===
A silvery-white metal used by the [[Vykathi]], in the form of {{ilink|i|Oravir sliver}}s.

==Values==
{{GemTableStart}}
{{Gems| Bronze Bar | | | 33 | 45 | 85 | 123 | 125 | 196 | 201 | 310}}
{{Gems| Bronze Nugget | | | 25 | 48| 52 | 96| 135 | 185| 199 | 303}}
{{Gems| Copper Nugget| | | || || || 20 | 20}}
{{Gems| Gold Bar | 32 | 1,186 | 139 | 2,715 | 5,701 | 5,701 | | | | }}
{{Gems| Gold Nugget| 41 | 1,492| 1,180 | 3,907| | | | | | }}
{{Gems| Platinum Bar | 278 | 11,203 | 13,132 | 43,857 | | | | | | }}
{{Gems| Platinum Nugget| 330 | 5,307| | | | | | | | }}
{{Gems| Silver Bar | 18 | '''112''' | 127 | 490 | 503 | 1,182 | 1,251 | 1,995 | 2,235 | 2,838}}
{{Gems| Silver Nugget| 41 | 113| 110 | 495| 502 | 1,196| 1,262 | 1,977| 2,077 | 2,197}}
{{TableEnd}}

User talk:Naeya

2007-04-05T12:52:18Z

DREDDED: /* Disambiguating an Article */

== In Charge of Wiki Development ==

I am wondering whom is in charge of this wiki. I will assume that to be you and ask a few questions here. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I am simply the most active sysop at the moment. [[User:Trel|Trel]] is hosting the wiki now and can work with more of the server/extension side issues, though I can do everything sysop related and forward information to him.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I am the [[User:Trel|Trel]] that [[User:Naeya|Naeya]] talks so much about. :) I see this being handled in a divided way. The community of editors will set down acceptable policies for in game secrets or creation of templates. Legal issues such as licenses are best referred back to me. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Content Copyright ==

There is no associated copyright of the content here that I can (easily) find, such as a Creative Commons, Open Documentation Licence, etc. This, imo, hurts the viability of this endeavor. As well as my willingness to contribute. (as I can *not* really guarantee what others can do with my words and vice versa). --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I will look into getting this information to you as soon as I speak with Trel.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::The problem here is many, you (elanthipedia people) cannot simply change the copyright attribution here without asking permission from ALL contributors of ALL pages you do it to. So it might be best to restrict editing until such time as people agree. And then there's me. Where I have many edits I'd like to actually make (in many areas), but would NOT want to leave the ambiguity of copyright of my edits out there. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:26, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I guess I'm not really sure what you are looking for here. Something like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU]? It's not like we're suddenly going to close the wiki down, change to a "regular" website, and claim all the contributions as our own. I say "our" though I mean Trel, I suppose, since he's hosting it. I'm a contributor and the only reason I have admin status is that I've been the most active contributor and "moderator" as we should say, since the new year and now new hosting.

:::I have to say I guess I'm just trusting in nature, as I had no clue about needing most of these issues addressed. I apologize for that.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 13:36, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Its a bit of an enigma really. I trust Trel, you, and really many people until I am given a reason not to trust them. But without a clear copyright notice, any material here cannot be used elsewhere by any means, as tracking down EVERY contributor to an article is hard. Its also equally hard to include *any* GNU Documentation stuff in an article here, or a Creative Commons document here, etc. It is more of a "how is my content going to be used" and "I don't mind it used this way". Some people don't like changes to their own words, while by editing in a wiki that should be assumed, it *is* a valid point. And the copyright on the wiki should show this point. My personal recomendation for a copyright is that as detailed on http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/MDC:Copyrights ... To summarize that page, [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Creative Commons: Attribution Share-Alike licence] for the content. And in any and all places that a ''script'' is used (if they are allowed here) to follow that of the [http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/LICENSES/mit.license MIT Licence]. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Part of The problem is without a copyright policy for contributions though, the contributions are SOLELY the copyright of the author. And said authors really retain any and all copyrights they wish to enforce, including rights to keep the material solely where they first publihed it, (rangerrawb.com anyone?) And where they would rather not have anyone edit their own words, (see: [[Triage_Explained]] for a page written exactly as an Article which '''might''' be assumed to be self-contained for the author only) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Well true. Everytime an edit is made, users will see this info "Please note that all contributions to Elanthipedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here.
:::::"You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details). DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!" That is just part of the editing page with MediaWiki. I'll look into beefing up what's in the [[Project:Copyrights]] page to cover some of your points--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 14:44, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::IMO using one of the official Copyright docs such as the Creative Commons, or GNU such that stuff can be copied off if need be, in other words, a more tried and true copyright mechanic (or have a lawyer look at it and write on for elanthipedia). --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 15:04, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::: The GNU Free Documentation License or Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License might be appropriate here. This wiki will largely deal with content that is written by contributers here or used under Fair Use guidelines in the United States. Either license would be appropriate (in my opinion) for content contributed by editors here. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Wiki Policies ==

The Privacy Policy and Disclaimer appears to have been lifted from another webservice with the concept that "Elanthipedia" is in fact a legal entity. Should it not be, you would *legally* need to represent "Elanthipedia" as a person, with a real-world contact address. Or simply munge your privacy policy to ensure that elanthipedia is in-fact not a legal entity. As it stands, if a Privacy issue as expressed there is broken, there is no legal entity expressed on these pages to point any claim. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Again, Trel set that up. It can easily be changed.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:: This bears more investigation. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Wiki Policies (DR Related) ==

You also do not express any policies on the inclusion of any "In Game" (or "In Forum") secrets. As there are things that are IG secrets, but not In Forum Secrets. And then there is "open information". Which asset does the wiki here allow. Am I able to post anything and everything about thief "cookies" or even mention their names (like on the boards). How about the quest to enter Hara. Or a Warrior Mage Pathway Quest solution. No information regarding this. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't care if the spoilers are added as long as they are clearly marked and on a separate page perhaps, even in different color font so you have to actively highlight the text in order to see the data. The thief info is another matter, and I'm not sure if/when we'll even consider disclosing that information. Again, at this point, this is just my opinion as a player.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
== Spam Policy ==

Non-Existent. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Noted, and put on my list of "what to email Trel about."--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Wiki Extensions ==

The only one employed is <code><nowiki><imagemap></nowiki></code> (and the quasi-built in one <nowiki><pre></nowiki>) Might I suggest <code><nowiki><cite></nowiki></code> and the *spamblacklist* extension as a starter. Then also include my suggestion for: CategoryTree. All of these are on the wikipedia site (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version Special:Version of Wikipedia]) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Seconded. Also could we get [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] installed for this wiki? If you look in the history of the At a Glance template you'll see where I tried to use it...would make the template handle empty variables better. (I also see [[User:Farman]] was trying to use #expr in one of his edits). --[[User:Grindinghalt|Grindinghalt]] 12:36, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thank you for your suggestions, will be looking into all of them.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SpamBlacklist_extension SpamBlackList], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions], and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newuserlog Newuserlog] are now installed. We tried Cite, but it caused some problems.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 21:13, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Wiki Configuration ==

If at all possible, it could be good to post the contents of LocalSettings.php on here (NOT counting the local-filepath <nowiki>[$IP]</nowiki> and NOT counting the DB User/Pass) So that we, the elanthipedia users, can suggest changes. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto above.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::[[LocalSettings.php]]--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 21:13, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Site Favicon ==

I would also like to ask that elanthipedia do NOT use the simu play.net (dr) icon, as it only serves to confuse when multiple sites from different companies use the same icon (even Google uses different icons for different services) :-) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I truly wasn't aware he had incorporated that icon. I definitely wouldn't have.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Thinking on this now, perhaps we can come up with an original logo as well as a matching favicon. I'm not artistic by any means, but perhaps I can come up with something.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 13:41, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::If I had any artistic talent (with original works anyway) I'd help here, but alas, I do not. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::: I believe the favicon.ico file was copied across when I saved images from Play.net for use here. It has been removed. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Contributor Group ==

I know that most DR Groups/Lists have been with eGroups/YahooGroups (and oneList before that), but I have found Google Groups to be more robust and effecient since then, and I would suggest looking into using that rather than Yahoo for the contributors group before things get big there, but that is purely a personal recomendation/observation. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 15:08, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I'll look into the Google Groups. Will let you guys know.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 17:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::Wow, I do like the Google Groups better. New group is here. Sorry Glimmereyes! You were the only member besides my husband who had joined so far. Hehe. New group is at here: [http://groups.google.com/group/elanthipedia-contributors Elanthipedia Contributors]. I thought it would be a good idea. My talk page can only get so big!--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Spell Template ==

Hey Naeya, I'll get the spell template in soon as I can (within the week I hope). I'm still training my wiki skill and need to learn more about how to format a nice bordered table from scratch. The existing resources are a bit incomplete and difficult to wade through, I am finding. [[User:Farman|Farman]] 16:46, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

== Disambiguating an Article ==

Seeing how you handled Holy Warrior, I do agree it needed to be disambiguated. But might I suggest in the future to MOVE the original Article to its new name (so as to keep revision history with the original article), and then edit the old page-name (which is now a new article with #REDIRECT) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:10, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
:Noted for future reference, and thank you --[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:17, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

"Disambiguating" - I love it. I'm adding it to my dictionary exceptions. :-) --[[User:Dredded|Dredded]] ([[User talk:Dredded|talk]]) 08:51, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

== title template ==

hey, I created, (for the most part) a title template

I was getting sick of having duplicated information...

See [[User:Callek/Sandbox]] and [[User:Callek/Sandbox2]] '''Note''' links used there are wrong, only because of User namespace.

"What do you think"?

::Looks good to me. Would definitely make keeping things consistent easier. Go ahead and implement the template. --[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 09:23, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

== Shop templates ==

I see you're starting on the shop revamp, do you think you've finalized the shop templates? I was going to go through some of the shops in Ilithi that I did a while back, but don't want to start editing them unless you're done. --[[User:Grindinghalt|Grindinghalt]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Naeya

2007-04-05T12:33:16Z

DREDDED: /* Contributor Group */

== In Charge of Wiki Development ==

I am wondering whom is in charge of this wiki. I will assume that to be you and ask a few questions here. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I am simply the most active sysop at the moment. [[User:Trel|Trel]] is hosting the wiki now and can work with more of the server/extension side issues, though I can do everything sysop related and forward information to him.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I am the [[User:Trel|Trel]] that [[User:Naeya|Naeya]] talks so much about. :) I see this being handled in a divided way. The community of editors will set down acceptable policies for in game secrets or creation of templates. Legal issues such as licenses are best referred back to me. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Content Copyright ==

There is no associated copyright of the content here that I can (easily) find, such as a Creative Commons, Open Documentation Licence, etc. This, imo, hurts the viability of this endeavor. As well as my willingness to contribute. (as I can *not* really guarantee what others can do with my words and vice versa). --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I will look into getting this information to you as soon as I speak with Trel.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::The problem here is many, you (elanthipedia people) cannot simply change the copyright attribution here without asking permission from ALL contributors of ALL pages you do it to. So it might be best to restrict editing until such time as people agree. And then there's me. Where I have many edits I'd like to actually make (in many areas), but would NOT want to leave the ambiguity of copyright of my edits out there. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:26, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I guess I'm not really sure what you are looking for here. Something like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU]? It's not like we're suddenly going to close the wiki down, change to a "regular" website, and claim all the contributions as our own. I say "our" though I mean Trel, I suppose, since he's hosting it. I'm a contributor and the only reason I have admin status is that I've been the most active contributor and "moderator" as we should say, since the new year and now new hosting.

:::I have to say I guess I'm just trusting in nature, as I had no clue about needing most of these issues addressed. I apologize for that.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 13:36, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Its a bit of an enigma really. I trust Trel, you, and really many people until I am given a reason not to trust them. But without a clear copyright notice, any material here cannot be used elsewhere by any means, as tracking down EVERY contributor to an article is hard. Its also equally hard to include *any* GNU Documentation stuff in an article here, or a Creative Commons document here, etc. It is more of a "how is my content going to be used" and "I don't mind it used this way". Some people don't like changes to their own words, while by editing in a wiki that should be assumed, it *is* a valid point. And the copyright on the wiki should show this point. My personal recomendation for a copyright is that as detailed on http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/MDC:Copyrights ... To summarize that page, [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Creative Commons: Attribution Share-Alike licence] for the content. And in any and all places that a ''script'' is used (if they are allowed here) to follow that of the [http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/LICENSES/mit.license MIT Licence]. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Part of The problem is without a copyright policy for contributions though, the contributions are SOLELY the copyright of the author. And said authors really retain any and all copyrights they wish to enforce, including rights to keep the material solely where they first publihed it, (rangerrawb.com anyone?) And where they would rather not have anyone edit their own words, (see: [[Triage_Explained]] for a page written exactly as an Article which '''might''' be assumed to be self-contained for the author only) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Well true. Everytime an edit is made, users will see this info "Please note that all contributions to Elanthipedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here.
:::::"You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details). DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!" That is just part of the editing page with MediaWiki. I'll look into beefing up what's in the [[Project:Copyrights]] page to cover some of your points--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 14:44, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::IMO using one of the official Copyright docs such as the Creative Commons, or GNU such that stuff can be copied off if need be, in other words, a more tried and true copyright mechanic (or have a lawyer look at it and write on for elanthipedia). --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 15:04, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::: The GNU Free Documentation License or Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License might be appropriate here. This wiki will largely deal with content that is written by contributers here or used under Fair Use guidelines in the United States. Either license would be appropriate (in my opinion) for content contributed by editors here. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Wiki Policies ==

The Privacy Policy and Disclaimer appears to have been lifted from another webservice with the concept that "Elanthipedia" is in fact a legal entity. Should it not be, you would *legally* need to represent "Elanthipedia" as a person, with a real-world contact address. Or simply munge your privacy policy to ensure that elanthipedia is in-fact not a legal entity. As it stands, if a Privacy issue as expressed there is broken, there is no legal entity expressed on these pages to point any claim. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Again, Trel set that up. It can easily be changed.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:: This bears more investigation. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Wiki Policies (DR Related) ==

You also do not express any policies on the inclusion of any "In Game" (or "In Forum") secrets. As there are things that are IG secrets, but not In Forum Secrets. And then there is "open information". Which asset does the wiki here allow. Am I able to post anything and everything about thief "cookies" or even mention their names (like on the boards). How about the quest to enter Hara. Or a Warrior Mage Pathway Quest solution. No information regarding this. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't care if the spoilers are added as long as they are clearly marked and on a separate page perhaps, even in different color font so you have to actively highlight the text in order to see the data. The thief info is another matter, and I'm not sure if/when we'll even consider disclosing that information. Again, at this point, this is just my opinion as a player.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
== Spam Policy ==

Non-Existent. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Noted, and put on my list of "what to email Trel about."--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Wiki Extensions ==

The only one employed is <code><nowiki><imagemap></nowiki></code> (and the quasi-built in one <nowiki><pre></nowiki>) Might I suggest <code><nowiki><cite></nowiki></code> and the *spamblacklist* extension as a starter. Then also include my suggestion for: CategoryTree. All of these are on the wikipedia site (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version Special:Version of Wikipedia]) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Seconded. Also could we get [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] installed for this wiki? If you look in the history of the At a Glance template you'll see where I tried to use it...would make the template handle empty variables better. (I also see [[User:Farman]] was trying to use #expr in one of his edits). --[[User:Grindinghalt|Grindinghalt]] 12:36, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thank you for your suggestions, will be looking into all of them.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SpamBlacklist_extension SpamBlackList], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions], and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newuserlog Newuserlog] are now installed. We tried Cite, but it caused some problems.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 21:13, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Wiki Configuration ==

If at all possible, it could be good to post the contents of LocalSettings.php on here (NOT counting the local-filepath <nowiki>[$IP]</nowiki> and NOT counting the DB User/Pass) So that we, the elanthipedia users, can suggest changes. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto above.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::[[LocalSettings.php]]--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 21:13, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Site Favicon ==

I would also like to ask that elanthipedia do NOT use the simu play.net (dr) icon, as it only serves to confuse when multiple sites from different companies use the same icon (even Google uses different icons for different services) :-) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I truly wasn't aware he had incorporated that icon. I definitely wouldn't have.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Thinking on this now, perhaps we can come up with an original logo as well as a matching favicon. I'm not artistic by any means, but perhaps I can come up with something.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 13:41, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::If I had any artistic talent (with original works anyway) I'd help here, but alas, I do not. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::: I believe the favicon.ico file was copied across when I saved images from Play.net for use here. It has been removed. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Contributor Group ==

I know that most DR Groups/Lists have been with eGroups/YahooGroups (and oneList before that), but I have found Google Groups to be more robust and effecient since then, and I would suggest looking into using that rather than Yahoo for the contributors group before things get big there, but that is purely a personal recomendation/observation. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 15:08, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I'll look into the Google Groups. Will let you guys know.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 17:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::Wow, I do like the Google Groups better. New group is here. Sorry Glimmereyes! You were the only member besides my husband who had joined so far. Hehe. New group is at here: [http://groups.google.com/group/elanthipedia-contributors Elanthipedia Contributors]. I thought it would be a good idea. My talk page can only get so big!--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Spell Template ==

Hey Naeya, I'll get the spell template in soon as I can (within the week I hope). I'm still training my wiki skill and need to learn more about how to format a nice bordered table from scratch. The existing resources are a bit incomplete and difficult to wade through, I am finding. [[User:Farman|Farman]] 16:46, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

== Disambiguating an Article ==

Seeing how you handled Holy Warrior, I do agree it needed to be disambiguated. But might I suggest in the future to MOVE the original Article to its new name (so as to keep revision history with the original article), and then edit the old page-name (which is now a new article with #REDIRECT) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:10, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
:Noted for future reference, and thank you --[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:17, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

== title template ==

hey, I created, (for the most part) a title template

I was getting sick of having duplicated information...

See [[User:Callek/Sandbox]] and [[User:Callek/Sandbox2]] '''Note''' links used there are wrong, only because of User namespace.

"What do you think"?

::Looks good to me. Would definitely make keeping things consistent easier. Go ahead and implement the template. --[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 09:23, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

== Shop templates ==

I see you're starting on the shop revamp, do you think you've finalized the shop templates? I was going to go through some of the shops in Ilithi that I did a while back, but don't want to start editing them unless you're done. --[[User:Grindinghalt|Grindinghalt]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Naeya

2007-04-05T12:31:19Z

DREDDED: /* Spam Policy */

== In Charge of Wiki Development ==

I am wondering whom is in charge of this wiki. I will assume that to be you and ask a few questions here. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I am simply the most active sysop at the moment. [[User:Trel|Trel]] is hosting the wiki now and can work with more of the server/extension side issues, though I can do everything sysop related and forward information to him.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I am the [[User:Trel|Trel]] that [[User:Naeya|Naeya]] talks so much about. :) I see this being handled in a divided way. The community of editors will set down acceptable policies for in game secrets or creation of templates. Legal issues such as licenses are best referred back to me. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Content Copyright ==

There is no associated copyright of the content here that I can (easily) find, such as a Creative Commons, Open Documentation Licence, etc. This, imo, hurts the viability of this endeavor. As well as my willingness to contribute. (as I can *not* really guarantee what others can do with my words and vice versa). --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I will look into getting this information to you as soon as I speak with Trel.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::The problem here is many, you (elanthipedia people) cannot simply change the copyright attribution here without asking permission from ALL contributors of ALL pages you do it to. So it might be best to restrict editing until such time as people agree. And then there's me. Where I have many edits I'd like to actually make (in many areas), but would NOT want to leave the ambiguity of copyright of my edits out there. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:26, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I guess I'm not really sure what you are looking for here. Something like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU]? It's not like we're suddenly going to close the wiki down, change to a "regular" website, and claim all the contributions as our own. I say "our" though I mean Trel, I suppose, since he's hosting it. I'm a contributor and the only reason I have admin status is that I've been the most active contributor and "moderator" as we should say, since the new year and now new hosting.

:::I have to say I guess I'm just trusting in nature, as I had no clue about needing most of these issues addressed. I apologize for that.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 13:36, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Its a bit of an enigma really. I trust Trel, you, and really many people until I am given a reason not to trust them. But without a clear copyright notice, any material here cannot be used elsewhere by any means, as tracking down EVERY contributor to an article is hard. Its also equally hard to include *any* GNU Documentation stuff in an article here, or a Creative Commons document here, etc. It is more of a "how is my content going to be used" and "I don't mind it used this way". Some people don't like changes to their own words, while by editing in a wiki that should be assumed, it *is* a valid point. And the copyright on the wiki should show this point. My personal recomendation for a copyright is that as detailed on http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/MDC:Copyrights ... To summarize that page, [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Creative Commons: Attribution Share-Alike licence] for the content. And in any and all places that a ''script'' is used (if they are allowed here) to follow that of the [http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/LICENSES/mit.license MIT Licence]. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Part of The problem is without a copyright policy for contributions though, the contributions are SOLELY the copyright of the author. And said authors really retain any and all copyrights they wish to enforce, including rights to keep the material solely where they first publihed it, (rangerrawb.com anyone?) And where they would rather not have anyone edit their own words, (see: [[Triage_Explained]] for a page written exactly as an Article which '''might''' be assumed to be self-contained for the author only) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Well true. Everytime an edit is made, users will see this info "Please note that all contributions to Elanthipedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here.
:::::"You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details). DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!" That is just part of the editing page with MediaWiki. I'll look into beefing up what's in the [[Project:Copyrights]] page to cover some of your points--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 14:44, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::IMO using one of the official Copyright docs such as the Creative Commons, or GNU such that stuff can be copied off if need be, in other words, a more tried and true copyright mechanic (or have a lawyer look at it and write on for elanthipedia). --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 15:04, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::: The GNU Free Documentation License or Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License might be appropriate here. This wiki will largely deal with content that is written by contributers here or used under Fair Use guidelines in the United States. Either license would be appropriate (in my opinion) for content contributed by editors here. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Wiki Policies ==

The Privacy Policy and Disclaimer appears to have been lifted from another webservice with the concept that "Elanthipedia" is in fact a legal entity. Should it not be, you would *legally* need to represent "Elanthipedia" as a person, with a real-world contact address. Or simply munge your privacy policy to ensure that elanthipedia is in-fact not a legal entity. As it stands, if a Privacy issue as expressed there is broken, there is no legal entity expressed on these pages to point any claim. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Again, Trel set that up. It can easily be changed.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:: This bears more investigation. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Wiki Policies (DR Related) ==

You also do not express any policies on the inclusion of any "In Game" (or "In Forum") secrets. As there are things that are IG secrets, but not In Forum Secrets. And then there is "open information". Which asset does the wiki here allow. Am I able to post anything and everything about thief "cookies" or even mention their names (like on the boards). How about the quest to enter Hara. Or a Warrior Mage Pathway Quest solution. No information regarding this. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't care if the spoilers are added as long as they are clearly marked and on a separate page perhaps, even in different color font so you have to actively highlight the text in order to see the data. The thief info is another matter, and I'm not sure if/when we'll even consider disclosing that information. Again, at this point, this is just my opinion as a player.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
== Spam Policy ==

Non-Existent. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Noted, and put on my list of "what to email Trel about."--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Wiki Extensions ==

The only one employed is <code><nowiki><imagemap></nowiki></code> (and the quasi-built in one <nowiki><pre></nowiki>) Might I suggest <code><nowiki><cite></nowiki></code> and the *spamblacklist* extension as a starter. Then also include my suggestion for: CategoryTree. All of these are on the wikipedia site (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version Special:Version of Wikipedia]) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Seconded. Also could we get [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] installed for this wiki? If you look in the history of the At a Glance template you'll see where I tried to use it...would make the template handle empty variables better. (I also see [[User:Farman]] was trying to use #expr in one of his edits). --[[User:Grindinghalt|Grindinghalt]] 12:36, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thank you for your suggestions, will be looking into all of them.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SpamBlacklist_extension SpamBlackList], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions ParserFunctions], and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newuserlog Newuserlog] are now installed. We tried Cite, but it caused some problems.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 21:13, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Wiki Configuration ==

If at all possible, it could be good to post the contents of LocalSettings.php on here (NOT counting the local-filepath <nowiki>[$IP]</nowiki> and NOT counting the DB User/Pass) So that we, the elanthipedia users, can suggest changes. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:22, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto above.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::[[LocalSettings.php]]--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 21:13, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Site Favicon ==

I would also like to ask that elanthipedia do NOT use the simu play.net (dr) icon, as it only serves to confuse when multiple sites from different companies use the same icon (even Google uses different icons for different services) :-) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I truly wasn't aware he had incorporated that icon. I definitely wouldn't have.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:48, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:Thinking on this now, perhaps we can come up with an original logo as well as a matching favicon. I'm not artistic by any means, but perhaps I can come up with something.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 13:41, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::If I had any artistic talent (with original works anyway) I'd help here, but alas, I do not. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 13:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::: I believe the favicon.ico file was copied across when I saved images from Play.net for use here. It has been removed. -- [[User:Trel|Trel]]

== Contributor Group ==

I know that most DR Groups/Lists have been with eGroups/YahooGroups (and oneList before that), but I have found Google Groups to be more robust and effecient since than, and I would suggest looking into using that rather than Yahoo for the contributors group before things get big there, but that is purely a personal recomendation/observation. --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 15:08, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
:I'll look into the Google Groups. Will let you guys know.--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 17:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
::Wow, I do like the Google Groups better. New group is here. Sorry Glimmereyes! You were the only member besides my husband who had joined so far. Hehe. New group is at here: [http://groups.google.com/group/elanthipedia-contributors Elanthipedia Contributors]. I thought it would be a good idea. My talk page can only get so big!--[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

== Spell Template ==

Hey Naeya, I'll get the spell template in soon as I can (within the week I hope). I'm still training my wiki skill and need to learn more about how to format a nice bordered table from scratch. The existing resources are a bit incomplete and difficult to wade through, I am finding. [[User:Farman|Farman]] 16:46, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

== Disambiguating an Article ==

Seeing how you handled Holy Warrior, I do agree it needed to be disambiguated. But might I suggest in the future to MOVE the original Article to its new name (so as to keep revision history with the original article), and then edit the old page-name (which is now a new article with #REDIRECT) --[[User:Callek|Callek]] 12:10, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
:Noted for future reference, and thank you --[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 12:17, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

== title template ==

hey, I created, (for the most part) a title template

I was getting sick of having duplicated information...

See [[User:Callek/Sandbox]] and [[User:Callek/Sandbox2]] '''Note''' links used there are wrong, only because of User namespace.

"What do you think"?

::Looks good to me. Would definitely make keeping things consistent easier. Go ahead and implement the template. --[[User:Naeya|Naeya]] ([[User talk:Naeya|talk]]) 09:23, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

== Shop templates ==

I see you're starting on the shop revamp, do you think you've finalized the shop templates? I was going to go through some of the shops in Ilithi that I did a while back, but don't want to start editing them unless you're done. --[[User:Grindinghalt|Grindinghalt]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

Chezarek

2007-04-05T12:24:05Z

DREDDED: Chezarek

Elven Emperor 847-841 BL (after Gredge and before Moliko.) Bloodworm Comet appeared in the stars of the Mongoose the year after Chezarek's reign began. The release of a Shadowmaster Lord in 841 BL killed Chezarek, heralding the second reign of Elothean Empress Moliko the Balance.