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Sekhmet's Barbarian new player guide

2017-01-25T19:32:51Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* I like to plan for the future; endgame ideas */

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This is the guide for new and returning Barbarians. If you haven't familiarized yourself with the [[General new player guide]], it is highly recommended.

==Getting Started==

===Who Are We===
The first thing that needs explaining is what the Barbarian Guild stands for, in short, weapons.

The Barbarian Guild is primarily focused on fighting battles through mundane attacks and relying on the inner power known as Inner Fire. They have a full set of self-improvement abilities, and a narrow number of roars that can affect your enemies. If you're looking for a guild which doesn't have to rely on the waxing and waning of mana or blowing themselves up with spells, then the Barbarian Guild can be your home.

===First Steps===
First you are going to need to name your character and pick a race. When you log in you will be prompted on how to create your character.

Any race has potential to make a great barbarian. However, when picking a barbarian's race, its generally easiest to play a race with a strength and/or stamina bonus. Many of our abilities rely on a FEAR contest which leans heavily on Charisma, and Strength. Discipline is also an important ability to consider when picking a race. If you are very new to the game a Gor'Tog, Human, Kaldar, Dwarf or S'kra Mur will probably be the easiest barbarian out of the gate.

===Getting to the guild===

Now that you've picked your race its time to go talk to a barbarian guild leader and ask him to JOIN the guild.

If you are feeling lost remember you can type DIR BARBARIAN and it will begin to give you directions. I'd also recommend taking a look at a [[RanikMap1|map of the Crossing]] and possibly printing it out for reference.

Once you get there and try to join, Agonar may say certain STATs are lacking when you try to join the guild. If you want Agonar can train these stats for you (it is slightly more expensive to take this route). For now let's just accept Agonar's training and listen to his words of wisdom.

==The Guild==
===Inner Fire===
Lets first talk a little bit about Inner Fire.

Inner fire is our power, its what fuels all our abilities. It is also a trainable skill, which we will specifically differentiate by calling the Inner Fire skill. Our four main supernatural abilities that we can train are Warding, Augmentation, Debilitation, and Inner Fire.

Inner Fire replenishes very slowly over time, but will never entirely fill in a passive state. In order to get more Inner Fire a barbarians need to fight and kill stuff, though once they slacken in their killing, it will start to drain towards the passive maximum.

===First Ability===
The first ability you receive is Mediate Flame, and you get it for free. When using this ability, it will give you some basic information about you, such as how full your Inner Fire pool is (based on the size of the fire), how many learning slots you have, and how many you've learned from various paths.

Now it's time to select your first optional ability. At the start it is best to choose a Berserk or a Form, because this will allow us to train TWO of our four supernatural abilities. The first couple circles (we call levels circles) will go fast and we will be able to choose a roar soon, don't worry.

One of the favorite starting choices is Berserk Avalanche, which will help you not get so tired when you are swinging away crushing face. In order to choose berserk Avalanche try to type {{tt|STUDY AGONAR}} and it will explain the commands that can be used. If it is too confusing, then simply type {{tt|CHOOSE AVALANCHE}}.

Let's start it up. Try typing {{tt|BERSERK AVALANCHE}} or just {{tt|bers ava}} if you are into brevity.

As long as that berserk is running you will periodically see some messaging of the effect. Berserk avalanche periodically refreshes your fatigue, which can drop severely when attacking quickly or with heavy weapons.

Also type EXP and see that you are now training two supernatural abilities (Inner Fire skill and Augmentation). Be careful though, running abilities will eat up our precious Inner Fire. The good news is we can get more Inner Fire doing what barbarians do best, and that is killing stuff!

If you ever need to remember which abilities you have, type ''<ability type>'' {{tt|list}}, for example: {{tt|berserk list}} to see your berserks.

===Gearing Up===

Depending on your race choice you probably have a mishmash of gear and potentially a funny looking hat.

You should follow the [[General new player guide#General Walkthrough after Character Creation|General new player guide, Gear and Preparation Walkthrough]] to understand how to exchange gear at the Veteran, buy equipment, and what pieces you need to fill the gaps left by free armor.

There are four types of trainable armor, you can look them up in more detail in other areas of the website. The four armors are LIGHT, CHAIN, BRIGANDINE, and PLATE.

Generally speaking newer barbarians should consider starting in lighter armor. Stick to chain, leather, or chain/leather combo unless you are a more experienced player and want to train Plate and Brigandine. Also, don't forget to get a small shield.

When you ask a barbarian what weapon to train, you'll receive ten different answers. In the end, most players eventually train all of them to some degree, but starting out only experienced players try for more than three or four. If you type {{tt|EXP WEAPON 0}}, you see there are quite a few weapon options available, early on we are required to train at least two different types of weapons. Remember WEAPONS are our PRIMARY skill-set this means you learn weapons faster than any other guild in the game. Take advantage and train em. Its also fun to try new things out from time to time. OK time to train our stats. I'd recommend picking a nice trusty broadsword and a scimitar to start.

===Stat Training===
Let's first get your stats rounded out. To start out with, you can type {{tt|INFO}} to see what your current stats are. Right near the middle you should see a line that says TDPs, which stands for Time Developement Points, or how many points you currently have to improve your stats.

You should go research all the various attributes and think about how you want your Barbarian to train. However, its really important early on to get some decent strength and stamina. Barbarians hunt, and they hunt a lot. This makes for lots of wounds, and lots of wound making. Stamina protects the intrepid Barbarian from dying as the wounds pile up, as well as letting them swing weapons for long. Strength helps the Barbarian hold and wield bigger weapons, as well as outright enhancing the damage they do.

Stat training is very RACE dependent, however, generally speaking I would try to get your strength and stamina both to 20. Do this first. Gor'Togs may even go to 24 in each. Early on I generally recommend neglecting Charisma as a Barbarian. Charisma is a very important skill later on for our roars and most importantly PvP, but if you had to pick a stat to neglect for the first couple circles Charisma is a good one to skimp on early.

One of the more popular ways to train is to train whats cheapest first. If you are a Gor'Tog you train Strength and Stamina. Set milestones, such as all skills to 30. Bring your cheapest ones there first, followed by your middle ones, followed by your most expensive. An entire guide could be spent on how to spend your TDPs, for now just pump some Strength and Stamina so you can kill stuff.

==Training==
===Combat===
This is best explained in the [[general new player guide#Walkthrough of your first Combat|general new player guide]].

===Supernatural Skills===

Supernatural skills are surprisingly easy for us to keep moving. The key is to remember that approximately five minutes after activation, both Berserks and Forms cease to teach, and must be restarted for learning.

Augmentation, Inner Fire, Warding are all taught by using the continuous abilities.

Debilitation is learned via Roars and can only be learned in combat, and only when used against something that is challenging.

==Advanced Subjects==

===Abilities===
There are five categories of abilities: Forms, Berserks, Meditations, Roars, and Masteries.

All abilities have two kinds of requirements, the number of slots they cost, and how many previous abilities in the path must be known. For example,

* Berserks are one of the more expensive abilities, requiring a large chunk of Inner Fire at start and periodically draining more. They tend to be powerful and short.
* Forms
* Meditations
* Roars are one of the few offensive abilities we have, attempting to scare our opponents to various effects. They take a negligible amount of Inner Fire to work, but they also pull from another pool, the voice pool, which has a limited amount. Over time the voice pool will passively fill, so through pacing roar timing it is possible to keep roaring throughout an entire combat.
* Masteries are entirely passive abilities that require a large number of other abilities to get. Unlike all other abilities, Masteries are only taught by [[Pit Masters]], and not the guildleaders.

===Ability Progression===
I hope you had fun slaughtering rats and what have you. Eventually in between the carnage and bloodshed, you will want to map out some type of plan for your barbarian. Many of our abilities are really really nice, unfortunately we will never be able to choose all of our abilities so tough decisions have to be made!

Early on we have some good choices, this is the order I generally choose my skills. Sooner or later later you are going to need to select a roar so you can train your Debilitation skill. Also you need to work towards getting a skill that trains Warding. Personally I don't love the first Warding skill available, famine, so I tend to skip that one and gun for either Swan or Flashflood. Its cheaper to go towards Flashflood (you can get there using less ability slots) and the skills leading up to it are very valuable even at the end game. (Furthermore, many people at endgame have little use for swan.)

# Berserk Avalanche - Pulsing fatigue regeneration.
# Everild's Rage - an easy early roar choice, debuffs opponents defense.
# Berserk Tornado - Shield skill and Stamina bonus.
# Form Eagle - Bonuses held bow, crossbow, or throwing weapon.
# Berserk Flashflood - an anti stun berserk, but most importantly a good warding trainer.

After this point the Skill Trees are wide open for you to do what you want. There are other areas on this site that list everything out with nifty flow charts. Using my starting points; you have a debilitaation Trainer in Everild's Rage, you have a Warding/Inner Fire trainer in Berserk Flashflood, all the other skills train Augmentation/Inner Fire.

===EXPERTISE and you===

Barbarians have a unique skill called EXPERTISE, you can see it by typing exp expertise. We need to train this skill as a circle requirement

There are two ways to train expertise, ANALYZE and MANEUVERS

Barbarians have a unique set of tactical combat using the ANALYZE verb. You can look up a list of these moves in other areas of this site. The one you want to start with is Analyze flame.

Lets go to shiprats and try it out. If you haven't found the shiprats in the crossing they are a little SW of the temple, you have to go through the gate to get in there. I'll wait till you get there.

Found it? Great. Ok now while holding the broadsword we bought earlier type ANALYZE FLAME. What happened? You need to do each of the moves in that order, whether they land or not, after you complete the moves you will get a nice chunk of expertise learning.

Another way to train Expertise is to use Maneuvers. You can look up what weapon type uses what maneuver later. For now lets try CLEAVE. Still holding the broadsword, type MANEUVER CLEAVE. Woa! pretty cool right. Keep smashing.

===THE FIGHT!===

A couple thoughts on our favorite thing in the whole wide world of Elanthia, fighting!

Since we are currently in ship rats, lets stay here and play with them a bit. By now you probably have your armor experience ticking up, Evasion, Shield, Parry. All good stuff. There is a whole bunch of ways to fight in DragonRealms and this guide isn't meant to cover those details. Here are a few tips however that will have you top barbarianing in no time.

A. Early on always keep up at least one berserk or form. Preferably two, one that is Augmentation, and one that is Warding.

2. As soon as you get your first Roar, use it! Use it every couple of minutes. Personally I like to ROAR QUIET RAGE every 3 minutes or so. Roar quiet means it hits all critters engaged with you at pole and melee range. Its important to train debilitation and this is the best way to do it. You can learn it from listening to other players classes but then what fun is that?

d. Maneuver often! Also use the analyze verb to keep that expertise pumping.

j. Play with your stances a bit, you should make sure shield, parry and evasion are training roughly equally. Type STANCE. You can shift the numbers around, Try to start with Evasion 100, Shield 40, and Parry 40. To do this simply type Stance Evasion 100, Stance Shield 40, Stance Parry 40. There is a maximum amount of points you can allow, and you may have to lower one to get your stance in another one set. Now lets save that stance as our custom stance. Type STANCE CUSTOM SAVE. Great! Now if we want to play around we can always just get back to our 100/40/40 stance by typing stance custom.

==I like to plan for the future; endgame ideas==

OHI you metagamer you. You look cute in that shirt. So here is what I think is a pretty solid late game build

From the path of the Horde you know the Masteries: Titan and Strategos.
From the path of the Flame you know the Masteries: Powermonger.
From the path of the Predator you know the Masteries: Tribalist.

From the path of the Horde you know the Berserks: Wildfire.
From the path of the Flame you know the Berserks: Famine and Cyclone.
From the path of the Predator you know the Berserks: Tornado and Flashflood.

From the path of the Horde you know the Roars: Anger the Earth, Death's Embrace, Serpent's Hiss and Wail of Torment.
From the path of the Flame you know the Roars: Death's Shriek.
From the path of the Predator you know the Roars: Everild's Rage.

From the path of the Horde you know the Forms: Dragon and Python.
From the path of the Flame you know the Forms: Monkey, Bear, Turtle and Swan.
From the path of the Predator you know the Forms: Piranha, Eagle, Owl, Wolverine and Panther.

From the path of the Horde you know the Meditations: Tenacity.
From the path of the Flame you know the Meditations: Flame, Power, Contemplation and Serenity.

This build leaves 8 points free... add it to dervish mastery or warstomp or something else, or add more magic resistance forms that are more specific. Hey the world is your oyster.


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Buuwl

2016-11-08T13:22:58Z

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| Race = Gor'Tog
| Gender = Male
| Guild = Barbarian
| Instance = Prime

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 ''"Are we human or are we dancer?"''   

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== <code>''Description''</code> ==
You see Buuwl Mad'uuwl, a Gor'Tog.
He has wild daring cobalt-blue eyes. He has sparkling smooth midnight green skin and an athletic build.
He appears to be an adult.
You are in good shape.

He is wearing a felted brown hat with rounded bear ears, a witch ball, a witch ball, a witch ball, a cross-strapped korograth-hide baldric anchored by a wide abdominal strap, a dusky black hunting kilt layered with wide leather sections and a pair of battle-worn diamond-hide boots lined with threadbare fur.

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[[File:Buuwl_Character2.png|thumb|250px|left|Sensible Buuwl Mad'uuwl]][[File:Gortog.gif|thumb|250px|right|'Tog Baller, Shot Caller]]Buuwl can prove to 1997. He is a personable, generally helpful tog who drinks heavily and spends plats like a baller. If you need to contact me outside of the game, or have any general questions regarding drinking, barbarianing, or the like... feel free to hit me up on AIM @ drbuuwl.

== <code>''Not All Togs Who Wander Are Lost...''</code> ==

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Talk:Policy:Player vs player conflict

2016-10-12T17:06:13Z

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==Discussion==
I would like there to be clear and consistent rules regarding aggressive but non-damaging magic/abilities. We say kicking, punching, slapping grants consent to be engaged in PvP by the "injured." Thumping also grants consent when the sole consequence is the inability to speak for a time, yet stunning, sleeping, and paralyzing renders the person incapable of ANY action for a time and they seem to be generally allowed and do not grant consent. Likewise, non-damaging hostile magic like debuffs have had fuzzy rules set to them.

Regarding the changes to depart/grip mechanics, I like this change. I question though if grave-robbing is necessary at all in this game. It is a relic of a 20 year old policy written when 99% of items were replaceable. Today with all the custom, altered, raffle, auction, rare-material items out there, it can pretty much ruin your entire gaming experience to have your things taken. Is there the possibility of eliminating grave-robbing entirely? It doesn't seem really that necessary anymore.

Consistency and sensibility about what can be forcibly wedged into consent could also use a bit of cleaning up. You don't own a room and can't commit violence to someone for being in 'your' hunting spot if they're not interfering, taking your loot or killing your critters - however, apparently you CAN commit violence if against someone if you give them clear warning you will kill them for doing actions such as speaking or gwething and this has been upheld as allowed. On a similar vein, you can of course kill an empath who is healing your opponent or others who are aiding her or him, but I've also witnessed it be allowed to kill clerics for raising a dead body or empaths for healing a dead body. These can be grey areas for sure, but is there a reason they need to be? --[[User:NECKHOFF|NECKHOFF]] ([[User talk:NECKHOFF|talk]]) 01:09, 2 September 2016 (CDT)

:I agree with NECKHOFF on all accounts. I would very much like to see grave-robbing removed entirely because, as stated, the proliferation of valuable items has made it too punitive. Other death/resurrection mechanics to increase death's difficulty would be welcome, although we should consider them carefully. I'm especially concerned that if death causes too much permanent damage it will make griefing more prevalent. As for the clarity of the rules, it would be nice to have some kind of chart somewhere. Finally, I would especially like to see some clarity on the rules of harassment. I realize that what constitutes harassment may be best left as a judgment call, but some kind of general guideline about how often one person can attack another would be welcome. --[[User:PRIMEQ|PRIMEQ]] ([[User talk:PRIMEQ|talk]]) 21:04, 3 September 2016 (CDT)

:"I question though if grave-robbing is necessary at all in this game. It is a relic of a 20 year old policy written when '''99% of items were replaceable. Today with all the custom, altered, raffle, auction, rare-material items out there, it can pretty much ruin your entire gaming experience to have your things taken.''' Is there the possibility of eliminating grave-robbing entirely? It doesn't seem really that necessary anymore." "I would very much like to see grave-robbing removed entirely because, as stated, '''the proliferation of valuable items has made it too punitive.'''" While it's true that altered and otherwise exotic items are exponentially more common today than 20 years ago, the conclusion is invalid. 20 years ago losing any significant item was much more painful because the likelihood of replacement was slim. Furthermore the time spent to earn any item was relatively much higher. Put simply there are more items now but both the value and rarity of those items is considerably lower. Perhaps more significant is that being graverobbed now requires a great deal of carelessness. Since the latest safeguards were put into place I've seen very little graverobbing of anything meaningful. The few instances that occurred involved unexplained mismatches between the quality of items carried by the character and the experience of the player. Redesigning important game systems to fit characters who, uh, receive extravagant gifts from strangers, would be counterproductive. Games that are both overly easy and lack dynamic content quickly become boring. DR is a resource-limited, slow-changing game with a comparative dearth of both content and players. Removing graverobbing would end one of the few dynamic and challenging aspects of the game. Leave it alone.--[[User:MRTSCR|MRTSCR]] ([[User talk:MRTSCR|talk]]) 23:32, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

::I'm skeptical that something as safeguarded and secure and idiot-proof as you argue it has become still provide any kind of dynamic challenge. As you mentioned, it's really something that inexperienced people suffer more than anything. At that point, why bother having it there at all? Who does it benefit? It fails to create a challenge for those who want more risk or danger, and it fails to create anything exciting and fun for people who dislike losing their stuff. --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 02:48, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

I agree that there should be clearly defined and consistent rules surrounding PvP and consent policy. The details of the consent policy should be made completely available via the POLICY verb and not something that also requires the browsing of multiple NEWS items to supplement the information. PvP stances should be updated and the GUARDED stance should be removed completely. If a CLOSED player initiates an attack on an OPEN player their stance should be set to OPEN for a set period of time. If a CLOSED player attacks another CLOSED player the stance should not be changed as it should be considered RP conflict. Likewise, if an OPEN player initiates an attack on a CLOSED player for any reason it would not affect their stance, even if they choose to retaliate (within "X" minutes, preferably). --[[User:WHITEBEAUTY|WHITEBEAUTY]] ([[User talk:WHITEBEAUTY|talk]]) 23:57, 16 September 2016 (CDT)

:I agree with this. Closed/guarded players attacking only when they're assured victory by a massive rank difference is a longstanding problem. "Consent" with constant GM mediation was never a great way to manage PvP. But now there are fewer and fewer GMs online, and their time could be much better spent elsewhere. It's clearly time for something new.--[[User:MRTSCR|MRTSCR]] ([[User talk:MRTSCR|talk]]) 23:32, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

:[[User:WHITEBEAUTY|WHITEBEAUTY]], one problem I see with the proposed mechanics change to switch a player's PvP stances based on triggers is that an open profile character may perform non-combat actions (e.g. slap/kick/thump) or insult the closed-profile player into attacking and still be within the grounds of consent which shouldn't trigger an automatic opening of profile per the gist of your proposal. --[[User:UNFINISHED-USERNAM|UNFINISHED-USERNAM]] ([[User talk:UNFINISHED-USERNAM|talk]]) 21:51, 27 September 2016 (CDT)

'''I personally wish the PVP could be tweaked as follows.'''

Your combat stance also dictates how you see others in the game.

For example if you are guarded or closed and attack an open without a consent, that open player is allowed to report you if they wish. In other words, your PVP stance keeps you beholden to your choices. A Guarded/Closed character should always be at risk for getting reported if they attack without consent. This would remove the first strike many Guarded/Closed enjoy versus opens. Furthermore, it would help put an end to the guarded/closed baiting of opens. Opens would still be stuck with the same rules they currently have to follow. They would be able to attack other opens, but would have to gain consent to attack guarded/closed. I feel like its far more fair to make Guarded/Closed characters play and adhere to the very policy they are choosing. --[[User:DISCOTEQ21|DISCOTEQ21]] ([[User talk:DISCOTEQ21|talk]]) 07:33, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

One of the main problems the game faces today, in regards to PVP: GMs don't know the difference between CONSENT and Unconsented PVP. If I AIM at someone, ADVANCE on someone, or cast a spell on them, I've given them consent to attack me, but I haven't attacked them in regards to un-consented PVP. Just because I've done an action that grants someone else consent on my character, doesn't mean I've PVP'ed them in an unconsented manner.

Also, PVP ON/OFF. If you're PVP ON, then you attack other PVP ON no problem, and can not attack PVP OFF. If you're PVP OFF, you're saying I don't want physical violence whatsoever. However, if a PVP OFF attacks ANYONE, they are set to PVP ON. Nice and clear cut, easy peasy. --[[User:WILLN1|WILLN1]] ([[User talk:WILLN1|talk]]) 08:00, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

How does this ON/OFF plan address a person who is actively harassing and acting like a jerk if their PVP OFF?
--[[User:DISCOTEQ21|DISCOTEQ21]] ([[User talk:DISCOTEQ21|talk]]) 12:06, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

This ^. So much this. The current GM's seem clueless about the difference between what a CONSENTABLE action is, and a what a REPORTABLE action is. Non-damaging spells are NOT reportable currently, but they do grant consent. Simplifying the policy will make this less of an issue, but GM's understanding whatever policy is in place, and enforcing it properly is still key. --[[User:IVORYTOWERNECRO|IVORYTOWERNECRO]] ([User talk:IVORYTOWERNECRO|talk]) 8:28, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

Talk:Policy:Player vs player conflict

2016-10-12T12:33:55Z

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Talk:Policy:Player vs player conflict

2016-10-12T12:33:10Z

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==Discussion==
I would like there to be clear and consistent rules regarding aggressive but non-damaging magic/abilities. We say kicking, punching, slapping grants consent to be engaged in PvP by the "injured." Thumping also grants consent when the sole consequence is the inability to speak for a time, yet stunning, sleeping, and paralyzing renders the person incapable of ANY action for a time and they seem to be generally allowed and do not grant consent. Likewise, non-damaging hostile magic like debuffs have had fuzzy rules set to them.

Regarding the changes to depart/grip mechanics, I like this change. I question though if grave-robbing is necessary at all in this game. It is a relic of a 20 year old policy written when 99% of items were replaceable. Today with all the custom, altered, raffle, auction, rare-material items out there, it can pretty much ruin your entire gaming experience to have your things taken. Is there the possibility of eliminating grave-robbing entirely? It doesn't seem really that necessary anymore.

Consistency and sensibility about what can be forcibly wedged into consent could also use a bit of cleaning up. You don't own a room and can't commit violence to someone for being in 'your' hunting spot if they're not interfering, taking your loot or killing your critters - however, apparently you CAN commit violence if against someone if you give them clear warning you will kill them for doing actions such as speaking or gwething and this has been upheld as allowed. On a similar vein, you can of course kill an empath who is healing your opponent or others who are aiding her or him, but I've also witnessed it be allowed to kill clerics for raising a dead body or empaths for healing a dead body. These can be grey areas for sure, but is there a reason they need to be? --[[User:NECKHOFF|NECKHOFF]] ([[User talk:NECKHOFF|talk]]) 01:09, 2 September 2016 (CDT)

:I agree with NECKHOFF on all accounts. I would very much like to see grave-robbing removed entirely because, as stated, the proliferation of valuable items has made it too punitive. Other death/resurrection mechanics to increase death's difficulty would be welcome, although we should consider them carefully. I'm especially concerned that if death causes too much permanent damage it will make griefing more prevalent. As for the clarity of the rules, it would be nice to have some kind of chart somewhere. Finally, I would especially like to see some clarity on the rules of harassment. I realize that what constitutes harassment may be best left as a judgment call, but some kind of general guideline about how often one person can attack another would be welcome. --[[User:PRIMEQ|PRIMEQ]] ([[User talk:PRIMEQ|talk]]) 21:04, 3 September 2016 (CDT)

:"I question though if grave-robbing is necessary at all in this game. It is a relic of a 20 year old policy written when '''99% of items were replaceable. Today with all the custom, altered, raffle, auction, rare-material items out there, it can pretty much ruin your entire gaming experience to have your things taken.''' Is there the possibility of eliminating grave-robbing entirely? It doesn't seem really that necessary anymore." "I would very much like to see grave-robbing removed entirely because, as stated, '''the proliferation of valuable items has made it too punitive.'''" While it's true that altered and otherwise exotic items are exponentially more common today than 20 years ago, the conclusion is invalid. 20 years ago losing any significant item was much more painful because the likelihood of replacement was slim. Furthermore the time spent to earn any item was relatively much higher. Put simply there are more items now but both the value and rarity of those items is considerably lower. Perhaps more significant is that being graverobbed now requires a great deal of carelessness. Since the latest safeguards were put into place I've seen very little graverobbing of anything meaningful. The few instances that occurred involved unexplained mismatches between the quality of items carried by the character and the experience of the player. Redesigning important game systems to fit characters who, uh, receive extravagant gifts from strangers, would be counterproductive. Games that are both overly easy and lack dynamic content quickly become boring. DR is a resource-limited, slow-changing game with a comparative dearth of both content and players. Removing graverobbing would end one of the few dynamic and challenging aspects of the game. Leave it alone.--[[User:MRTSCR|MRTSCR]] ([[User talk:MRTSCR|talk]]) 23:32, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

::I'm skeptical that something as safeguarded and secure and idiot-proof as you argue it has become still provide any kind of dynamic challenge. As you mentioned, it's really something that inexperienced people suffer more than anything. At that point, why bother having it there at all? Who does it benefit? It fails to create a challenge for those who want more risk or danger, and it fails to create anything exciting and fun for people who dislike losing their stuff. --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 02:48, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

I agree that there should be clearly defined and consistent rules surrounding PvP and consent policy. The details of the consent policy should be made completely available via the POLICY verb and not something that also requires the browsing of multiple NEWS items to supplement the information. PvP stances should be updated and the GUARDED stance should be removed completely. If a CLOSED player initiates an attack on an OPEN player their stance should be set to OPEN for a set period of time. If a CLOSED player attacks another CLOSED player the stance should not be changed as it should be considered RP conflict. Likewise, if an OPEN player initiates an attack on a CLOSED player for any reason it would not affect their stance, even if they choose to retaliate (within "X" minutes, preferably). --[[User:WHITEBEAUTY|WHITEBEAUTY]] ([[User talk:WHITEBEAUTY|talk]]) 23:57, 16 September 2016 (CDT)

:I agree with this. Closed/guarded players attacking only when they're assured victory by a massive rank difference is a longstanding problem. "Consent" with constant GM mediation was never a great way to manage PvP. But now there are fewer and fewer GMs online, and their time could be much better spent elsewhere. It's clearly time for something new.--[[User:MRTSCR|MRTSCR]] ([[User talk:MRTSCR|talk]]) 23:32, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

:[[User:WHITEBEAUTY|WHITEBEAUTY]], one problem I see with the proposed mechanics change to switch a player's PvP stances based on triggers is that an open profile character may perform non-combat actions (e.g. slap/kick/thump) or insult the closed-profile player into attacking and still be within the grounds of consent which shouldn't trigger an automatic opening of profile per the gist of your proposal. --[[User:UNFINISHED-USERNAM|UNFINISHED-USERNAM]] ([[User talk:UNFINISHED-USERNAM|talk]]) 21:51, 27 September 2016 (CDT)

I personally wish the PVP could be tweaked as follows.

Your combat stance also dictates how you see others in the game.

For example if you are guarded or closed and attack an open without a consent, that open player is allowed to report you if they wish. In other words, your PVP stance keeps you beholden to your choices. A Guarded/Closed character should always be at risk for getting reported if they attack without consent. This would remove the first strike many Guarded/Closed enjoy versus opens. Furthermore, it would put an end to the guarded/closed baiting of opens. Opens would still be stuck with the same rules they currently have to follow. They would be able to attack other opens, but would have to gain consent to attack guarded/closed. I feel like its far more fair to make Guarded/Closed characters play and adhere to the very policy they are choosing. --[[User:DISCOTEQ21|DISCOTEQ21]] ([[User talk:DISCOTEQ21|talk]]) 07:33, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

Talk:Policy:Player vs player conflict

2016-10-12T12:30:19Z

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==General Comments==
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==Discussion==
I would like there to be clear and consistent rules regarding aggressive but non-damaging magic/abilities. We say kicking, punching, slapping grants consent to be engaged in PvP by the "injured." Thumping also grants consent when the sole consequence is the inability to speak for a time, yet stunning, sleeping, and paralyzing renders the person incapable of ANY action for a time and they seem to be generally allowed and do not grant consent. Likewise, non-damaging hostile magic like debuffs have had fuzzy rules set to them.

Regarding the changes to depart/grip mechanics, I like this change. I question though if grave-robbing is necessary at all in this game. It is a relic of a 20 year old policy written when 99% of items were replaceable. Today with all the custom, altered, raffle, auction, rare-material items out there, it can pretty much ruin your entire gaming experience to have your things taken. Is there the possibility of eliminating grave-robbing entirely? It doesn't seem really that necessary anymore.

Consistency and sensibility about what can be forcibly wedged into consent could also use a bit of cleaning up. You don't own a room and can't commit violence to someone for being in 'your' hunting spot if they're not interfering, taking your loot or killing your critters - however, apparently you CAN commit violence if against someone if you give them clear warning you will kill them for doing actions such as speaking or gwething and this has been upheld as allowed. On a similar vein, you can of course kill an empath who is healing your opponent or others who are aiding her or him, but I've also witnessed it be allowed to kill clerics for raising a dead body or empaths for healing a dead body. These can be grey areas for sure, but is there a reason they need to be? --[[User:NECKHOFF|NECKHOFF]] ([[User talk:NECKHOFF|talk]]) 01:09, 2 September 2016 (CDT)

:I agree with NECKHOFF on all accounts. I would very much like to see grave-robbing removed entirely because, as stated, the proliferation of valuable items has made it too punitive. Other death/resurrection mechanics to increase death's difficulty would be welcome, although we should consider them carefully. I'm especially concerned that if death causes too much permanent damage it will make griefing more prevalent. As for the clarity of the rules, it would be nice to have some kind of chart somewhere. Finally, I would especially like to see some clarity on the rules of harassment. I realize that what constitutes harassment may be best left as a judgment call, but some kind of general guideline about how often one person can attack another would be welcome. --[[User:PRIMEQ|PRIMEQ]] ([[User talk:PRIMEQ|talk]]) 21:04, 3 September 2016 (CDT)

:"I question though if grave-robbing is necessary at all in this game. It is a relic of a 20 year old policy written when '''99% of items were replaceable. Today with all the custom, altered, raffle, auction, rare-material items out there, it can pretty much ruin your entire gaming experience to have your things taken.''' Is there the possibility of eliminating grave-robbing entirely? It doesn't seem really that necessary anymore." "I would very much like to see grave-robbing removed entirely because, as stated, '''the proliferation of valuable items has made it too punitive.'''" While it's true that altered and otherwise exotic items are exponentially more common today than 20 years ago, the conclusion is invalid. 20 years ago losing any significant item was much more painful because the likelihood of replacement was slim. Furthermore the time spent to earn any item was relatively much higher. Put simply there are more items now but both the value and rarity of those items is considerably lower. Perhaps more significant is that being graverobbed now requires a great deal of carelessness. Since the latest safeguards were put into place I've seen very little graverobbing of anything meaningful. The few instances that occurred involved unexplained mismatches between the quality of items carried by the character and the experience of the player. Redesigning important game systems to fit characters who, uh, receive extravagant gifts from strangers, would be counterproductive. Games that are both overly easy and lack dynamic content quickly become boring. DR is a resource-limited, slow-changing game with a comparative dearth of both content and players. Removing graverobbing would end one of the few dynamic and challenging aspects of the game. Leave it alone.--[[User:MRTSCR|MRTSCR]] ([[User talk:MRTSCR|talk]]) 23:32, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

::I'm skeptical that something as safeguarded and secure and idiot-proof as you argue it has become still provide any kind of dynamic challenge. As you mentioned, it's really something that inexperienced people suffer more than anything. At that point, why bother having it there at all? Who does it benefit? It fails to create a challenge for those who want more risk or danger, and it fails to create anything exciting and fun for people who dislike losing their stuff. --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 02:48, 12 October 2016 (CDT)

I agree that there should be clearly defined and consistent rules surrounding PvP and consent policy. The details of the consent policy should be made completely available via the POLICY verb and not something that also requires the browsing of multiple NEWS items to supplement the information. PvP stances should be updated and the GUARDED stance should be removed completely. If a CLOSED player initiates an attack on an OPEN player their stance should be set to OPEN for a set period of time. If a CLOSED player attacks another CLOSED player the stance should not be changed as it should be considered RP conflict. Likewise, if an OPEN player initiates an attack on a CLOSED player for any reason it would not affect their stance, even if they choose to retaliate (within "X" minutes, preferably). --[[User:WHITEBEAUTY|WHITEBEAUTY]] ([[User talk:WHITEBEAUTY|talk]]) 23:57, 16 September 2016 (CDT)

:I agree with this. Closed/guarded players attacking only when they're assured victory by a massive rank difference is a longstanding problem. "Consent" with constant GM mediation was never a great way to manage PvP. But now there are fewer and fewer GMs online, and their time could be much better spent elsewhere. It's clearly time for something new.--[[User:MRTSCR|MRTSCR]] ([[User talk:MRTSCR|talk]]) 23:32, 11 October 2016 (CDT)

:[[User:WHITEBEAUTY|WHITEBEAUTY]], one problem I see with the proposed mechanics change to switch a player's PvP stances based on triggers is that an open profile character may perform non-combat actions (e.g. slap/kick/thump) or insult the closed-profile player into attacking and still be within the grounds of consent which shouldn't trigger an automatic opening of profile per the gist of your proposal. --[[User:UNFINISHED-USERNAM|UNFINISHED-USERNAM]] ([[User talk:UNFINISHED-USERNAM|talk]]) 21:51, 27 September 2016 (CDT)

I personally wish the PVP could be tweaked as follows.

Your combat stance also dictates how you see others in the game.

For example if you are guarded or closed and attack an open without a consent, that open player is allowed to report you if they wish. In other words, your PVP stance keeps you beholden to your choices. A Guarded/Closed character should always be at risk for getting reported if they attack without consent. This would remove the first strike many Guarded/Closed enjoy versus opens. Furthermore, it would put an end to the guarded/closed baiting of opens. Opens would still be stuck with the same rules they currently have to follow. They would be able to attack other opens, but would have to gain consent to attack guarded/closed. I feel like its far more fair to make Guarded/Closed characters play and adhere to the very policy they are choosing.

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Qij

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== Character pages ==

Please do not create player character pages for characters that are not your own, and especially not joke ones. This is not kosher.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 11:31, 2 May 2015 (CDT)

Qij asked me to make a page for him. Please don't be so heavy handed with your deletions.

User talk:ABSOLON

2015-05-02T17:24:13Z

DISCOTEQ21:

==QIJ page==

I started the page for him as a birthday present, please put the page back as it was. He was happy with it and I was JUST GOING over how he can edit it.

==Automatic Item Tagging==

This is going to sound like a strange question, but would you have any interest in the weapon, shield, armor, and item page templates automatically generate material, color, and symbol tags? This is by far the most time-consuming part of adding item pages. (I wrote a script that does everything else. It attempts to create tags as well, but it requires a lot of cleaning up and error checking.) Tags are literally the reason that I have text files of hundreds of Elanthipedia item forms that I have not yet posted. 
 
For example, this item from Tildi's Flowers has this mind-boggling array of tags: 
 
<pre>|name=fragile wirework crown displaying shimmering chaos chalcedony lantana flowers
|noun=crown
|look=Thin palladium wires form an elaborate knotwork of interlocking loops. Twists of the silvery-white metal curl out and upwards from the headband, creating the base for each flowering cluster comprised of tiny gemstone florets. Dramatically varying in coloration, the naturally formed combination of hawk's and tiger's eye displays a wide range of colors from pale to dark blue, streaked with chaotic swirls of rusty red, gold and rich brown hues, ensuring each flower is unique in appearance.
|MTag=palladium, chaos chalcedony, chalcedony, hawk's eye, tiger's eye
|CTag=rust red, rust, red, rich brown, brown, gold, yellow, dark blue, blue, silvery-white, silver, white
|STag=lantana flower, knotwork</pre>
 
[[Elanthipedia:Manual of Style/Items|Manual of Style's standards for item tags]]: As you can see, we currently tag both the more specific version and the more general version (e.g., "chaos chalcedony" gets tagged "chaos chalcedony, chalcedony"). The same goes for colors. This makes the item search feature work for both general and specific queries. It also creates extra work. 
 
Let me know if you're interested; I don't have the wiki-fu to undertake something like this myself. I have lists of commonly seen materials, colors, symbols, etc. My AIM is IsharonDR. --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 18:35, 21 June 2014 (CDT)
:I have to wrap my head around how best to go about this. It should be able to be done, but I'm not sure my wiki-fu is entirely up to the task either. I think similar to how Item Properties work, a separate template ItemTags would be included in each of the Item, Weapon, Armor and Shield templates that matches the description and item name for a list of descriptors should do the trick... but I'd have to think how that would interact or interfere with the ability to manually add or edit tags.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 22:07, 21 June 2014 (CDT)
:: It could be done. It actually wouldn't be all that complicated, just time consuming. You'd basically use the #pos parser function to check the name and look for each item for every item you want cataloged. Problem is a) you'd have to add in everything you wanted it to catch, and b) I have no idea how resource intensive it would be. I suspect it would be pretty bad, compounded by the fact we have a LOT of item pages. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 00:29, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
:: Actually, I just had an idea. Would a form you could cut and paste the name and look into, run it, then cut and paste the output from into the item form be useful? That would cut down needing to run it in the background every time an item is edited or refreshed. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 00:31, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
:::I was thinking that myself actually. Basically the same thing as the script Isharon is already using, but a part of elanthipedia so that anyone could make use of it without needing a separate tool.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 00:35, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
:::P.S. it would also need the READ in addition to the LOOK and TAP.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 00:43, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
::::The form idea could work. I'm happy to share what my Elanthipedia Items script already looks for. However, because there are so many "false positives," I'm actually thinking about editing my script to create fewer automated tags. (For example, currently, if the script sees the word "ebony", there is no way for the script to know whether ebony is a material or just a color. Right now, the script fills out ebony for both the material and the color, requiring me to go and remove any inappropriate tags. This can add up to a lot of work.) Basically, what I am thinking is to produce a list that would check for only unambiguous terms, requiring less intensive error-checking. The downside is that it would increase work on the other end (requiring me to manually add more missing tags). Sometimes I wonder if we should simplify our tagging standards. --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 19:53, 26 June 2014 (CDT)
Re: ambiguous tags. It could still check for these, but automatically mark them as ambiguous. E.g. MTag, CTag, STag, and ATag. Manually editing them would be easier that way at least, since you wouldn't have to compare the tag lists to find duplicates manually. The ATag could even simply exist in the item entry without needing to display it on the page, except perhaps flagging the item as an 'Item with Ambiguous Tags.' Then you could still post your items without having to worry about backlog and just go through and move ambiguous tags to the appropriate tags at your or someone else's leisure.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 03:59, 27 June 2014 (CDT)
:Thanks for the idea. I think I'll try something like that. --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 23:10, 28 June 2014 (CDT)
::Let me know what you do with your script and I can get the template to work with your new output in the meantime. E.g. if you decide to just do an ATag, I can make the template flag the item so it's easier to track it down later.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 09:03, 29 June 2014 (CDT)
:::Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I saw it when I was on your TALK page for the herb stuff. Historically, when fests come around, I seem to be one of the folks adding a lot of the game prizes to the wiki. Unfortunately, I don't always get them added how the moderators want them and someone ends up having to make little tweaks to 100 things I added the night before. If there was a script to add things that could make life easier on you guys, I'd be more than happy to use that instead of the FORM pages. With the HE coming up, I imagine there will be a few new batches of items I'll be adding, plus I still have a couple bags of prizes on an alt from the Mega-Safari I need to clear out. --[[Kythryn]] 15:18, 21 October 2014 (CDT)
::::If you use Genie there's two scripts for this.:
::::1. [[Elanthipedia_Shops_(script)]] - This script outputs shop info in template form, although there is still a bit of editing necessary.
::::2. [[Elanthipedia_Items_(script)]] - This script outputs item info in template form, although there is a fair amount of editing necessary, especially surrounding tags.
::::I am not aware of any non-Genie options, unfortunately. Regardless, no script is going to perfectly create an item template every time, so there probably wouldn't be a lot of difference in how many minor things need editing just from using a script. One suggestion I have when you have a lot of items to enter would be to enter a handful of items and then wait to see what someone fixes on them, and then enter the rest with the fix in place now that you know what it is. (The most common example is not setting 'sourcetype' to '-' when there's no non-automatically populated sources, for example.) The downside to that is it might be a while before someone gets around to checking for fixes.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 16:25, 21 October 2014 (CDT)

==So....==
How'd you like to be a moderator? You seem to have a pretty good understanding of everything we need, and we can always use more hands. Gimmie an IM if you're interested. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 23:39, 18 June 2014 (CDT)
: Welcome aboard, don't screw it up. ;P -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 00:32, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
::Thanks! Glad to be aboard.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 00:37, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
::: Congrats! --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 11:22, 22 June 2014 (CDT)
::: Congratulations! --[[User:BLADEDBUTTERFLY|BLADEDBUTTERFLY]] ([[User talk:BLADEDBUTTERFLY|talk]])

== Warrior Mage 3.1 graphical spell tree ==

Just a heads up that I noticed the graphical spell tree has Arc Light listed as costing 3 spell slots, but the Shard Guildmistress as well as DISCERN say it's 2. Thanks for all your hard work! [[User:JACOBS77|JACOBS77]] ([[User talk:JACOBS77|talk]]) 02:22, 4 August 2014 (CDT)
:Fixed.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 14:49, 4 August 2014 (CDT)

== Cleric 3.1 graphical spell tree ==

Hey again. Hand of Tenemlor is 2 spell slots. I'm willing to correct it, but don't want to step on any toes. --[[User:JACOBS77|JACOBS77]] ([[User talk:JACOBS77|talk]]) 12:57, 11 August 2014 (CDT)
:Oops, totally missed seeing this message until just now. Will fix it later tonight. Thanks for the heads up.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 18:46, 1 October 2014 (CDT)
:Fixed. You may need to refresh the page to see the change.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 02:33, 2 October 2014 (CDT)

== Help with minor Khri project ==

I merged what I thought was still relevant information over to the category page, and formatted it. I'm new to wikis so I'm not comfortable enough to mess with the tree images, so if you want to update the one on the category page then feel free to. --[[User:NINEVAH1|NINEVAH1]] ([[User talk:NINEVAH1|talk]]) 11:46, 4 September 2014 (CDT)
:Thanks! I can finish it up from there. I just didn't know what information was still correct or not.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 01:56, 5 September 2014 (CDT)

== Herb Foraging ==

You commented on the forums that you were hoping someone would take on the task of working on a foraging compendium of sorts. I have quite a bit of data and I regularly gather more. I have a sortable spreadsheet which would allow one to either find a location and discover what herbs are there or to find every place on could find, say, Yelith Root. The problem I have is how to translate that into a functional format for Elanthipedia (which I have yet to figure out). I suppose I could just create a sortable table but I imagine there is a more user friendly way. Do you have any suggestions or guidance? [[User:GNIKOLEYCHUK|Ithrios]] ([[User talk:GNIKOLEYCHUK|talk]]) 15:46, 1 October 2014 (CDT)
:Gimme a few days to put a template together for individual herb pages. I'll probably have time to get to it on Saturday. Then you can fill out the template data from your database with things like what each heals, locations, special properties, etc on each herb's page. From that we can pull information together for tables like with the spell category pages or possibly queries like with the bestiary search. Unless you have a better suggestion? Out of curiosity, how detailed is your information on location? General, such as 'in boar clan' or 'on the NTR' or is it more along the lines of room no.'s 1, 14, and 26? --[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2014 (CDT)
::It is detailed down to a specific room. Quite often two rooms in the same area have different herbs available and, in general, I try and find a room in an area with the most variety. When I have tried to read between the lines from what the GMs have said it seems that they have specific settings for rooms that allow a group of herbs to be foraged in the same room (for example, nuloe and aevaes are almost always found together and qun is only found in deserts). I have tried to guess what these settings are with the goal of being able to classify a room as "boreal forest type 3" or "coastal grassland type 1" but have had only limited success up to this point.[[User:GNIKOLEYCHUK|Ithrios]] ([[User talk:GNIKOLEYCHUK|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2014 (CDT)
::I just figured you would need the categories of information I have for each herb to create the template. Currently each has: area healed (body location and internal/external), preparation type (crush or dry), wether it is forageable during the day, night or both (currently all herbs are forageable during the day, some cannot be found at night), what seasons it is forageable in (some herbs cannot be foraged in the winter) and the general terrain types it is found in. This is in addition to the specific locations, of course. Would it be easiest to track specific locations on their own page where I could fill in what herbs can be found and use the queries to fill in a table on the yelith root page? This would make the location equivalent to a spell and the herb equivalent to a spell list. This would require adding each room as its' own page, unfortunately. The upside is we could link those to specific locations on the maps.[[User:GNIKOLEYCHUK|Ithrios]] ([[User talk:GNIKOLEYCHUK|talk]]) 09:59, 2 October 2014 (CDT)
:::Yeah, each room having its own page is a bit much. I think specific locations are best stored on each herb's own page. The at a glance table could easily provide general biome details which would be enough to give a good idea, and if someone wants specifics they can follow a link. As for the rest, I'm working on getting a more official set of biome and terrain settings, but no guarantees there. At the very least I'll set up what you have indicated above, so regardless of what gets created, you should be able to just enter the appropriate details where needed.
:::Could you shoot me an AIM so I have it? XyngleburtDR.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 10:32, 2 October 2014 (CDT)
:::This should mostly be done except for the data entry and some tweaking as people provide suggestion for improvement. It is set up to work for both healing herbs and plain old foraged items, but since there's not much call for information on general foraged items we're going to just leave it at herbs for now until some issues with Item pages get worked out.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 03:56, 18 October 2014 (CDT)
::::With Absolon's update of the wiki pages, it got me thinking about the information over on Olwydd's foragaing database (http://www.olwydd.com/herbs/forage.php). From the sounds of it, a lot of that information mirrors the information that Ithrios is also compiling. I still add to that DB because there wasn't really anything else around, but it is a PIA. I have a spreadsheet and a key for all the cities, herbs, etc. Then, when I get some new items to add, I email Olwydd a copy of that SS and he uploads it when he gets time. Obviously, he doesn't really play anymore, so it's kind of neat he keeps that site running and helps with updates, but it is still a more involved process than just "hey, I found qun pollen here, cool...let me put that in the DB quick". That all being said, would you like me to email him and see if he has any problem with us migrating that stuff over here? Looking at the master SS, as of July 2014 there are 12796 separate listings, which includes herbs, woods and misc. foraged items. We'd need to tag in terrain types and drop some site-specific stuff, but IMO it would be nice to just have a single DB/table/whatever going for this stuff. --[[Kythryn]] 12:32, 20 October 2014 (CDT)
::::::The eventual plan is to include all foraged items and to have them be actual Item:Item_name pages. Due to issues with properties in the Item namespace right now, this isn't currently feasible unfortunately. I talked it over with Caraamon and we decided that limiting our data to herbs right now is best, because most people aren't going to need to find information about the various random non-herb foraged items and it saves us from having to convert 100+ pages once the Item namespace issues are resolved. As for woods, those don't currently have much of a meaningful purpose and lumberjacking is coming soon so we're holding off until it is released. That system will likely be much more like mining anyway and not be tied into the foraging system at all.
::::::The other thing is that the database as you have it on Olwydds wouldn't be able to exist in the same form here. On-demand filtered lists like that are not a wiki's strength. I.e. even if we were to include all of your information from there it wouldn't be as easy to access for users here. That said, I do like having elanthipedia being as complete as possible. I think the best solution would be to (eventually, as per above) have all of the foraged items as an entry in our database with the most commonly found or easiest to access locations in each province and then include a link to olwydd's for more detailed information.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 18:06, 20 October 2014 (CDT)
:::::::While we obviously could just filter out for just the healing herbs, there are still a TON of entries for those in there. I also think that it would great to have everything in a single location but unless we could set up some sort of DB that can be accessed similarly by the wiki so it could be sorted down by the user to a manageable list on each use, just having tables of that information on each page will get unmanageable fast. Maybe it is something to keep in mind for future projects though, I imagine a number of things would make use of a database format vs. long tables (looking at you, crafted item pages...heh). --[[Kythryn]] 15:10, 21 October 2014 (CDT)

== Help with Picked Flora project ==

heya ABSOLON! I was hoping if you had some time I could get you to help me with getting the wiki-code to do what I want with the next project Linett & I are going to tackle, the picked flowers and foods. I'm starting off with the roses ([[Rose]]), since there are so many different variations and other things that need to be sorted OUT of the picked flower list. I'm using as my "test picked rose" the [[Hodierna's Blush rose]]. What we're currently thinking about doing is for each individual flower/food page, assign it the itype "picked flora", and then have a table or search populate on the common name page for that flower. If you'll notice on the [[Rose]] page there are various sub-headings now for each rose "type", and under the "Flowers" section there is a table query to look for those.
:Where I am stuck though is how, on the next section (Store & Festival Purchases) to exclude the roses that have the itype "picked flora".
:Also, I would welcome any ideas on how to make these pages more streamlined and wiki-friendly. I know from the TALK on the [[healing herbs]] page, you mentioned some server caching issues with tables. If there is a more efficient way for doing a search (ie. with the MSearch, ISearch, etc.) I know we aren't tied to any particular way of presenting the information. Obviously, we'll have a few picked items already in the database we'll need to to back and update, however we have a TON of new ones to add, so if there is a better way to do things now is the time to make the conceptual change...heh.
::Thanks in advance! --[[Kythryn]] 06:37, 22 November 2014 (CST)

== Augstawne family page ==

Hey there, I wanted you to know that I went ahead and moved the information from the "Augstawne family" page back over to "Augstawne Girene Dzirta" and here's why. A pack for the Rakash is a unique collection of individuals or entire families that have gathered together in a group. Likewise, the Augstawne Girene Dzirta is not just the Augustawne family but a number of other families which have all pledged service to the group. Because of this, it's not correct to simply label it the "Augstawne family" though I could see where confusion might come about because it is the Augstawne who lead the group and whom the group is named after. I kept the catagories you've added to the page in place, so that it will show up in the correct spaces where it is needed. But, again, I've went ahead and reverted the name back to it's original page.--[[User:HEXEDBYTHENET|HEXEDBYTHENET]] ([[User talk:HEXEDBYTHENET|talk]]) 23:45, 10 February 2015 (CST)
:Multi-family structures still fall under the purview of a family structure even if it racially based, and other racial groups such as clans/houses/prides/etc. have to follow the page name guidelines for consistency in searches. Being a Rakash group with a Rakash name does not exempt any group just like being one of those other racial groups does not, and unfortunately we have to be consistent in applying the same page name rules for all groups. I can understand why you would feel your page should retain the same name, but we had the same discussion about the Contraire Empire's page name being changed to the Contraire family and the same reasons apply in this case. I.e. it is not an attempt to control what your group is called, but a standardization of page names to maintain consistency for search tables. There is still a redirect from your original page name, and any links from the original name remain in place and have no problem being listed as such. Searches for either term will likewise still lead to the family page. Also, none of the content of the page needs to be changed, so it is still quite clear what the in-game name of your group is.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 00:21, 11 February 2015 (CST)
:One suggestion I have if your group is active enough is to try and get a folder in the unofficial groups folder on the forums. Groups who have a folder there can use the folder's group name as their page name on the wiki. I think you have to maintain a minimum level of posting within the folder to maintain it - something like at least once a month or somesuch - but as long as the group is even moderately active that shouldn't be much of an issue.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 01:04, 11 February 2015 (CST)
::You know.. I don't have a bone in this but, you're basically in the name of consistency homogenizing a good thing. This is stupid, revert it. Copying this over to Caraamon.--[[User:ELRIIC|ELRIIC]] ([[User talk:ELRIIC|talk]]) 01:52, 11 February 2015 (CST)
::The group has had a folder on the play.net forums in the past. When we did have said folder it used the correct name which is "Augstawne Griene Dzirta" the folder was removed because we don't use the play.net/dr forums for conversation.--[[User:HEXEDBYTHENET|HEXEDBYTHENET]] ([[User talk:HEXEDBYTHENET|talk]]) 10:34, 11 February 2015 (CST)
:::Why not list Rakash packs and Prydaen hubs as primarily Cultural organizations and use that naming convention? We already do this for S'Kra Mur [[ru'at]] (a S'Kra Mur's inner circle), since membership is traditionally limited to a particular race and is not necessarily defined by family ties. --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 10:52, 11 February 2015 (CST)
::::<blockquote>[[:Category:Cultural organizations]]: groups that promote particular cultures, religious beliefs, and/or political ideologies (this includes race-based groups such as S'Kra Mur [[ru'at]]). This category may serve as a catch-all for groups that do not fit into the above three functions.</blockquote>
:::::Page name convention is separate from categorization convention. If a ru'at group were to be created that was family based it would be named after their family name and categorized as a cultural organization as well. If a Rakash pack were created that didn't follow a family structure it would follow non-family page name guidelines.
::::::Right, but we have two different [[Elanthipedia:Manual_of_Style/PCs#Page_Names|page name conventions]], dependent on whether the group is primarily a family-based group or something else: --[[User:ISHARON|ISHARON]] ([[User talk:ISHARON|talk]]) 16:05, 11 February 2015 (CST)
::::::<blockquote>
::::::*Family-based groups will have the page name Fancypants family.
::::::*Non-family groups will have the same name that their Play.net folder has. If there is no Play.net folder, the page name will be their in-game designation unless there is a good reason not to do so.</blockquote>
:::::I'm also not quite understanding the resistance here, since the translation of the group's name into English is the Augstawne family pack so the page name Augstawne family is not an inaccurate description of the scope of the group. For another example of a similar situation, please refer to the [[Silvermist family]] which is known by the Silvermist name despite being made up of additional pledged families and was also changed from House Silvermist to Silvermist family according to the same guidelines.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 11:30, 11 February 2015 (CST)
Again, it is a collection of families and idividuals. Rakash do not have plural words so there was no use of "families" within the game. By changing the name to "Augstawne family" it has become incorrect because it is not only the Augstawne who are involved. More to the point, we've been operating for years with our naming convention and have never encountered resistance to it or any attempt to make us adopt any other naming convention. The simple fact is that it is a Pack, which is made up of multiple families and individuals and not a single family. As such, the "Augstawne family" is completely incorrect because it alludes to only the ruling family within the pack.
I appreciate what you're doing in trying to keep things organized, and I understand many of the changes to other pages. But, I think you may not quite grasp what some of the racial groups are built upon and how this oversimplification or generalization might be a slap in the face to that. More so when the group has been around longer than this site has and have a history of being known as one thing and not the other.
I do not mind the addition of categories to pages and changing some names to be "family" like the Seords and Silvermist, but as Isharon said, I think racial groups should keep their naming convention. Regardless, I've requested we have our play.net folder reinstated on the forums so that I can just put this matter behind me and continue on as I always have.--[[User:HEXEDBYTHENET|HEXEDBYTHENET]] ([[User talk:HEXEDBYTHENET|talk]]) 11:49, 11 February 2015 (CST)
:::::As an fyi, I am looking into one thing so let's put this discussion on hold for the time being. Thanks for your patience.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2015 (CST)

== PC Template Changes ==

The new PC template now defaults to "S'Kra Mur" when there is a space between the equals sign and the race. I think this (https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Template:PC&diff=prev&oldid=401365) is why, but didn't just want to revert the change. Was this intentional?
:Hmm. No, give me a bit to take a look. The change was just to parse the different spelling of S'Kra Mur to the correct one.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2015 (CDT)
:Okay, fixed. It was a brain fart and I used #if instead of #ifeq. It should have only affected characters who are using the old deprecated <nowiki>{{Player character}}</nowiki> template. Refreshing the page should work to fix your display if it is still showing the S'Kra Mur race.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 16:52, 24 March 2015 (CDT)

User talk:CARAAMON

2015-02-10T21:35:28Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Contraire changes */

{{RTOC}}
Click here for the [[User talk:Caraamon/Archive|Archive]].

== theme music ==

Are we allowed to add theme music to a wiki page... or rolling credits?

== Crafting material pages ==

So I thought I was making up the BONE item pages the same as how you'd made up the METAL item pages, but now I see you're starting to do re-directs on them to other page names. First off, sorry! Guess I should have just done one and gotten you to look it over first. So, with that in mind, do you want to go ahead and do the first leather item up (right now, looks like Antelope skin), so I have a template to do the other leather items that way too so that you won't have to go back and fiddle them later? Not trying to make more work for you...:) --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 14:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
: Actually, I'm still testing it, trying to find the way that makes the most sense. Metals and stones are fairly simple, as they always are obvious what they are. Skin and bones isn't always quite so straightforward. I list them in stack form for a couple reasons:
::# So people can easily match what's in their pack to crafting stats.
::# Because some skin/bones we can't actually attribute to a specific creature yet or come from multiple creatures.
::# Because some skin/bones is very oddly named.
::# Because some similarly named items might end up being very different (Snow Goblin bones might end up different than Elven Pixie Forest and Plains Goblin bones) and so having a Goblin Bone page could cause issues.
: That being said, this is a wiki and not my personal little fiefdom, so if you think you have a better way to do it, PLEASE give it a shot. I watch all the changes on the site (or at least try), so even if I disagree and change it, some part of your idea may end up being far better. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 19:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::You may not claim the title, but we all know: You're king of the Elanthipedia Kingdom...:).
:::So, on the stack vs. no-stack thing, I see where you're coming from. But, on the flip side of that, if you're looking to match what is in a pack, why not lumium shard or silk cloth or onyx rock? I mean, the only thing you can (currently) pick up from it's name is a prepared healing herb (ie. crushed belradi moss becomes crushed belradi), everything else you see as a "cloth" or an "ingot" or whatever. (not trying to be difficult here, but seems like the other materials already have their "qualifier" stripped off, so why not with Bone & Leather too).
:::And, we do already have Goblin Bone and Pale Goblin Bone (thanks to [[Antendren]] checking a snow goblin question I had) so I do suspect that if the GM's release something from 2 similar creatures, they will give it a separate name. Hopefully. Probably. Maybe.
:::At the end of the day, I don't really care how we proceed with this, I'm happy to help populate everything. --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 00:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::And because I'm just itching to do something with this tonight it seems, I have been playing around with [[Caracal-pelt Leather]], including the base pelt and made a test table under the COMMON LEATHER section on the Crafting Materials page. Let me know what you think, make changes, etc. Thanks! --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 03:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::: Perfect! -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 06:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::ugh, sorry I didn't get all those leather crafting supplies finished up yet but I did guilt Anuind into getting me samples of all the remaining common leather skins and have them tanned. So, I am (hoping!) to finish that up this coming weekend. That being said, I'd posted on the forums, and will add this to the "crafting feedback" page too, but since there are currently 2 common skins that turn into "some azure-scale leather", each with different stats, should I go ahead and make "some azure-scale leather (1)" and "some azure-scale leather (2)", and a master "disambig" page like this link for both?
:::http://www.elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Weapon:Black-bladed_bastard_sword_with_a_silver_gryphon_atop_the_cross-guard
::--[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 06:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Works for me. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 12:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Ugh, looks like some red-links are still on the crafting materials page from the server transfer. Also, there are some naming things going on when you look at the [[Crafting Materials#Rare Leather]], sometimes it is an ''item'' other times it is just a page. I don't think I'll be re-visiting this in the near future, however if you want to let me know the page naming standard you want for things, if it hasn't been done by the time I motivate, I'll be happy to go through and standardize and follow-up on the red-links. --[[Kythryn]] 15:33, 25 January 2015 (CST)

== Crossing Temple Festival ==

So, when I was working on the [[choryu cake]] page, I found an archived folder on my backup drive that had a bunch of documents I'd made from various festivals over years before sweet, sweet epedia came along (heh). I'll work my way through updating things over the next week from them, but I found one that epedia doesn't have (I don't think anyhow, I couldn't find anything with searches) a category and/or festival page set up for yet. In 2001, the "new" Crossing temple was opened and there were about 15 merchants that set up on the grounds. Did you want to set that category & festival page up? Or create the red-links here and I'll populate them next time I sit down to document? Thanks! --[[Kythryn]] 10:52, 13 January 2015 (CST)
: Yeah, I think it was too early for Epedia and too late for DFP, or something around there. Just keep 'em redlinked until you put something in there. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 16:11, 13 January 2015 (CST)
:: Whew, your TALK page is getting long! Popular fella...:). Going to put a quick note on these sub-topics I've addressed so you can clean your "inbox" up if you want.
:: Linett got me motivated to finish this, I think she dug up the Sputkin tent or something. So, I guess this is done pending edits: [[Temple Reopening]]. --[[Kythryn]] 15:14, 25 January 2015 (CST)

== Hib Barbarian shop ==

Heya! I'm updating some of the Hib stuff, and in the Barbarian guild, there is a door that looks like is Barb-only and it looks to be a shop.
:>look door
:Polished into the brushed bronze of the door are letters that spell out, "Kvaren's".
:It is open.
:>go doo
:A large hand reaches out from behind the curtain and blocks your entrance. A burly guard mutters to you, "Just where, do you think yer goin? This shop is fer members of the Guild only."
I don't know how often you get out of Crossing, but if you're ever out this way, or you know a Barb in the area, might have them pop over and document the stuff? From the street, go boulder, go door, go grey arch, east, SE, east. That puts you in the room to GO DOOR to the shop. --[[Kythryn]] 16:06, 31 January 2015 (CST)

User talk:CARAAMON

2015-01-25T14:34:35Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Crafting material pages */

{{RTOC}}
Click here for the [[User talk:Caraamon/Archive|Archive]].

== Contraire changes ==

Why can unoficial groups be houses but not empires. Please change the header back from family to Empire, or make ALL unofficial houses clans etc. Families. Also my revisions were approved by solomon, you had no reason to make additional changes.

== Crafting material pages ==

So I thought I was making up the BONE item pages the same as how you'd made up the METAL item pages, but now I see you're starting to do re-directs on them to other page names. First off, sorry! Guess I should have just done one and gotten you to look it over first. So, with that in mind, do you want to go ahead and do the first leather item up (right now, looks like Antelope skin), so I have a template to do the other leather items that way too so that you won't have to go back and fiddle them later? Not trying to make more work for you...:) --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 14:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
: Actually, I'm still testing it, trying to find the way that makes the most sense. Metals and stones are fairly simple, as they always are obvious what they are. Skin and bones isn't always quite so straightforward. I list them in stack form for a couple reasons:
::# So people can easily match what's in their pack to crafting stats.
::# Because some skin/bones we can't actually attribute to a specific creature yet or come from multiple creatures.
::# Because some skin/bones is very oddly named.
::# Because some similarly named items might end up being very different (Snow Goblin bones might end up different than Elven Pixie Forest and Plains Goblin bones) and so having a Goblin Bone page could cause issues.
: That being said, this is a wiki and not my personal little fiefdom, so if you think you have a better way to do it, PLEASE give it a shot. I watch all the changes on the site (or at least try), so even if I disagree and change it, some part of your idea may end up being far better. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 19:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::You may not claim the title, but we all know: You're king of the Elanthipedia Kingdom...:).
:::So, on the stack vs. no-stack thing, I see where you're coming from. But, on the flip side of that, if you're looking to match what is in a pack, why not lumium shard or silk cloth or onyx rock? I mean, the only thing you can (currently) pick up from it's name is a prepared healing herb (ie. crushed belradi moss becomes crushed belradi), everything else you see as a "cloth" or an "ingot" or whatever. (not trying to be difficult here, but seems like the other materials already have their "qualifier" stripped off, so why not with Bone & Leather too).
:::And, we do already have Goblin Bone and Pale Goblin Bone (thanks to [[Antendren]] checking a snow goblin question I had) so I do suspect that if the GM's release something from 2 similar creatures, they will give it a separate name. Hopefully. Probably. Maybe.
:::At the end of the day, I don't really care how we proceed with this, I'm happy to help populate everything. --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 00:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::And because I'm just itching to do something with this tonight it seems, I have been playing around with [[Caracal-pelt Leather]], including the base pelt and made a test table under the COMMON LEATHER section on the Crafting Materials page. Let me know what you think, make changes, etc. Thanks! --[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 03:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::::: Perfect! -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 06:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::ugh, sorry I didn't get all those leather crafting supplies finished up yet but I did guilt Anuind into getting me samples of all the remaining common leather skins and have them tanned. So, I am (hoping!) to finish that up this coming weekend. That being said, I'd posted on the forums, and will add this to the "crafting feedback" page too, but since there are currently 2 common skins that turn into "some azure-scale leather", each with different stats, should I go ahead and make "some azure-scale leather (1)" and "some azure-scale leather (2)", and a master "disambig" page like this link for both?
:::http://www.elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Weapon:Black-bladed_bastard_sword_with_a_silver_gryphon_atop_the_cross-guard
::--[[User:Kythryn|Kythryn]] 06:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Works for me. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 12:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

==I broke it==
I did something weird to the ranger spell page. I think I must have had one of the lines out of order. I tried reversing my changes but it still looks weird. Halp. --[[User:GAMERGIRL151|GAMERGIRL151]] ([[User talk:GAMERGIRL151|talk]]) 21:14, 22 June 2014 (CDT)

== Order Gifts ==

So, I was thinking about all those gifts from different events over the years. Many of them are already in the database, just floating around here and there, and I was wondering if there was any way to list them on the pages for the groups they came from. Could this be done at the bottom of the pages, or would this be something that would be better on its own page with a link placed on the group's page? --[[User:Hexedbythenet|hexedbythenet]] 16:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
: You can either set them up on the page for the organization they came from, the event they came from, or a generic page for gifts from that organization, depending on what data you have and how you'd like to set it up. Use the {{tlink|sloot}} template to ensure they autosource. -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 07:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not familiar with exactly how to do that. :D So, any chance you can show me what you mean using this page as an example [[Thick_leather_liquor_sack_stitched_with_a_pink_war_mammoth]] --[[User:Hexedbythenet|hexedbythenet]] 14:57, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
: See [http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tavern_Troupe_Performing_Order&action=historysubmit&diff=273139&oldid=272671 Change] -Moderator [[User:Caraamon|Caraamon Makdasi]]([[User talk:Caraamon|talk]]) 11:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Error when uploading image ==

I'm trying to upload a .png file of the new 3.1 Moon Mage spell tree and it is returning these errors: 
*Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/41". 
*Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/4/41/3.1_Moon_Mage_Spells.png". 
I've tried various sizes of files thinking it might be a file size issue, but no luck. I've tried both creating a new upload as well as a new version of an existing upload. Not sure what else to try. --[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 10:05, 14 May 2014 (CDT)
: Yeah, there's a technical issue with uploading images right now. So hold off till we nail it down. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 17:04, 14 May 2014 (CDT)

== GMs and Approval ==

More a housekeeping thing, but I'm guessing that GM accounts shouldn't need to have their edits reviewed? I noticed that all of [[User:DR-MELETE]]'s edits are on the patrol list, for example. --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 10:54, 16 May 2014 (CDT)
: I prefer it for 2 reasons. 1) I like to see what the GMs add, and 2) not all of them are extensively wiki fluent (not that I'd expect them to be), so I prefer to do a quick check over. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 22:18, 16 May 2014 (CDT)
:: Makes sense! --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 23:08, 16 May 2014 (CDT)

== Possible category or category restructuring for spell scrolls ==

Over in [http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Abilities,%20Skills%20and%20Magic/Magic%20-%20Suggestions,%20Discussions%20and%20Thoughts/thread/1638465 this thread] on the forums, there is a discussion about what to do with a list of spells that are possible to be found on scrolls that is in an [[Category_talk:Non-Signature_Spells|odd spot]]. Short version: One suggestion is to either create a category for it or repurpose the current [[:Category:Scroll_Spells]] with a sub-category for Scroll Only Spells. I was hoping to get your feedback on whether this is a good idea or not. I will make any necessary changes whichever direction is decided upon.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 10:08, 1 June 2014 (CDT)
:Started poking around and realized that spell templates would have to be adjusted to factor this stuff in, so while the page is set up I'm leaving the rest to Caraamon himself. --[[User:TEVESHSZAT|TEVESHSZAT]] ([[User talk:TEVESHSZAT|talk]]) 11:40, 1 June 2014 (CDT)
::I have made adjustments to the spell template before, specifically the adjustment to make it track spells via intro, basic, advanced, and esoteric rather than first, second, third, and fourth tier, so if you're willing I could go ahead and do that myself. The grunt work will be updating each individual spell's page once the template is in place.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 11:59, 1 June 2014 (CDT)
::I've gone ahead and done a quick edit of the template to add the new Scroll Only Spells category as an option for source= and making sure the scroll graphic displays for the new category instead of the old repurposed one. I also edited [[Tangled Fate]] to test it. I'm holding off on doing more until I get the go ahead to continue just in case I didn't do it quite right or it should be done in a slightly different way. One thing I'm noticing is that Tangled Fate is showing correctly on the new [[:Category:Scroll Only Spells]] page, but it isn't populating on the [[:Category:Scroll Spells]] page despite it being a parent category. What is the best way to handle this?--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 12:42, 1 June 2014 (CDT)
:::After doing some testing I've come to the conclusion that Tangled Fate is just not populating correctly, since I just updated [[Tezirah's Veil]] and it is displaying as expected. It probably has to do with the order I made the edits to the template and category pages and it will likely correct itself eventually. Since Tezirah's Veil is working properly I will go ahead and start updating every spell's page to properly reflect the new source categorization.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 00:19, 2 June 2014 (CDT)
::::Project completed, aside from filling out missing information and confirming existing information is correct.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 03:03, 2 June 2014 (CDT)
::::: I am seriously sick (not the dying kind, just the kind where you kinda wish you were), so I won't be responding too quickly. Let me know if you run into any issues. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 03:56, 2 June 2014 (CDT)

== Database error ==

I think this is something the office will have to resolve, but there is a sql database error on the [[Item Hider]] page: 
<code>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: 
::(SQL query hidden) 
from within function "SMW::getQueryResult". Database returned error "126: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_586f_0.MYI'; try to repair it (wikisql2.simutronics.com)". </code>--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 11:40, 21 June 2014 (CDT)
: Yeah, I've made them aware of it, but it's out of my hands. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 13:17, 21 June 2014 (CDT)
:: Looking into it... Caraamon, are you on Skype? --[[User:SIMU-NOVA|SIMU-NOVA]] ([[User talk:SIMU-NOVA|talk]]) 15:06, 16 July 2014 (CDT)
::: I'd be totally willing to be, but I have no webcam, so I don't know how much use that'd be. Usually I handle stuff like this on AIM, but I don't know if that's suitable for you. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 16:40, 16 July 2014 (CDT)
::: Actually, I just remembered I have one buried somewhere, so that could work too. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 16:45, 16 July 2014 (CDT)

== Categories ==

I have noticed a strange problem I can't seem to figure out. The spell categories pages seem to be collecting spells in a strange way. For example, [[Gar Zeng]] is listed in [[Multistrike Spells]] rather than [[:Category:Multistrike Abilities|Multistrike Abilities]]. [[Fire Shard]] is listed in [[:Category:Multistrike Abilities|Multistrike Abilities]] rather than [[Multistrike Spells]]. As near as I can tell there is no difference in the wikicode. I have noticed some other spells that inexplicably don't show up in the proper categories like [[Dazzle]] not showing up in [[:Category:Debilitation_Abilities]] -or- [[Debilitation Spells]] but likewise can't see any difference compared to [[Compel]] that is. I would be happy to chase these down and fix them if you have any idea how to do it.[[User:GNIKOLEYCHUK|Ithrios]] ([[User talk:GNIKOLEYCHUK|talk]]) 10:44, 7 August 2014 (CDT)
:There's two things happening here. First, the entries on a category page only update when each individual entry is updated thereby resetting it's cache. This does happen automatically over time, but can be quite unpredictable as to when it will happen. You can force it to update on the category list by editing the individual page and saving it without changing anything.
:The second is related, but works in the reverse. The spell tables on the spell category pages don't automatically repopulate when you update a spell, but rather only repopulate when the table itself is updated. Editing the category page and saving it without an edit should force this.
:On occasion you might need to do both in order to get a spell/ability to show up in a table, so do a no-change edit/save of the page followed by the same for the category. Don't worry about spamming the recent changes either, since no-change edits don't register a history at all.
:P.S. You don't want to know how many times I've had to do this to every single spell page when converting everything over to 3.0 standards. ^^;;--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 11:22, 7 August 2014 (CDT)
:: Pretty much what Absolon said. Sometimes there's a lag time between when something is changed in a template, and when that change registers on pages that use that template. If something is every acting odd, the first thing to do is edit, make no changes, then save. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 14:15, 7 August 2014 (CDT)
:::So, yeah, I fixed it. I have even *more* respect for Absolon and the work he has done with spells if he has done that more than once. As a follow up question (now that I seem to be ripping my way through the magic pages and updating them), is it feasible (and desirable, I suppose) to add additional categories to some of the spell types like singe-shot targeted spells, integrity/potency/ablative/non-ablative wards and so forth? The latter, especially, is useful information if you want to stack wards (you are better off stacking two integrity wards that one of each, for example).[[User:GNIKOLEYCHUK|Ithrios]] ([[User talk:GNIKOLEYCHUK|talk]]) 15:52, 7 August 2014 (CDT)
:::: Is it possible? Sure. But more categories means going back over every spell or ability, and either manually adding links/categories or rewriting the template to automatically do it, then rewrite the individual entries to update the infobox. And the question is whether a sufficient number of people would find it useful to be worth the effort. It is entirely possible to excessively categorize and label things. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 16:21, 7 August 2014 (CDT)

== Titles 3.0 ==

Is there a specific way we should update titles for 3.0? I'm just not really seeing how we are differentiating what reqs on a page are from 2.0 or are verified as being 3.0. Take [[title:Far_Seer|Far Seer]] for example. I found in 3.0 that it still requires 500 Astro exactly like the 2.0 title, though it no longer requires 350 Perception skill, and if it does require perception it is 300 or less ranks. The spell req is still unknown if it is the same or not. Would it be best to make a note in the title's discussion page, or perhaps in the title's page add 3.0 req fields and still keep the old 2.0 reqs for reference, or create a new 3.0 title page for said title or somehow put a checkmark or the word 3.0 VERIFIED or something next to verified 3.0 reqs, or a question mark after old 2.0 unverified reqs? I rambled on there a bit, but I figure that there should be some way to make it known if a req is 3.0 verified or not, just not sure how to do it. -[[User:SYDNEE|SYDNEE]] ([[User talk:SYDNEE|talk]]) 17:34, 9 August 2014 (CDT)
: Hmmmm, let me dig up the old code and see if I can't do something simple. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 21:20, 9 August 2014 (CDT)
: Okay, added something. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 02:08, 10 August 2014 (CDT)

== Bestiary - Missing Creature? ==

I noticed that [[Faenrae Assassin]]s aren't on the bestiary page. It this because the skill caps have ? at the end? If so, is there a way to display all creatures, even if the exact skill isn't known? Alternately, should we just remove the '?'? -DRSCOTT
: Yes, the ? make the page throw up an error which means as far as the system is concerned, those properties are blank. This causes some issues with the dynamic table. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 13:06, 11 August 2014 (CDT)

== Player Organizations Page ==

I noticed a few missing links on the Player Organizations Page. Therengia Cavalry is among the missing organizations needing to be listed on that page, and Therengia Cavalry has had a page to link to on Elanthipedia for many years. I also wanted to suggest a Player Militias link on the main page, so the page listing all Provincial Militias can be accessed easily, instead of having to search for each one individually, and listing Official Order Militias along with them. I see the Inactive official Positions is actually the front page to which all active pages are linked, which should be changed to Official Positions, with the Inactive page link found on the bottom of that page. Thanks! Gwenddolyn
: Okay, go ahead and fix them. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 15:57, 31 August 2014 (CDT)

== Converting my guide ==

I'm going to gradually be moving the bulk of my guide for WM's over to the newbie contest thinger, but I plan to keep the spell reviews on the current page to prevent information bloat. When the time comes, would it be possible to rename that page to something like "Warrior Mage Spell Recommendations" or something? I am not strong in wiki-fu.
: Shouldn't be a problem. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 17:30, 28 October 2014 (CDT)

== "Item Tester" page ==

So this never made it over to the new server...it was where you could copy/paste the contents of your container into the box and it would show which ones were still red links (http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Item_Tester). I found some junk bags of stuff when I was looking for other bags of stuff and am grumbling about going through them all 1 by 1...hehe. --[[Kythryn]] 00:35, 30 October 2014 (CDT)
: Oh gods. That was NOT a simple piece of code. Uh... lemmie see what I can do. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 14:03, 30 October 2014 (CDT)
::It isn't a huge deal, it was just pretty useful for those of us who tend to throw everything into a bag to "sort later" and stumble over said bags years after the fact. But, if you DO get it going again, that'd be awesome! Thanks for checking into it. --[[Kythryn]] 14:25, 30 October 2014 (CDT)
:::Do you guys mean this page? [[Item_Tester]] If so, then it made the transfer just fine.--[[User:ABSOLON|ABSOLON]] ([[User talk:ABSOLON|talk]]) 14:38, 30 October 2014 (CDT)
::::That's the one! Thanks Absolon! I had just changed the link information from the old elanthipedia.org to elanthipedia.play.net and when the link came up broken, I thought it was a victim of the transfer. --[[Kythryn]] 14:48, 30 October 2014 (CDT)
:::::Whew. I was not looking forward to trying to recreate it. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 17:48, 30 October 2014 (CDT)

== Diminutive cambrinths ==

I've got a bunch of these, and before adding them all and possibly needing to go back and change all the listings, I put one up to see how you want them sourced. The one I added is [[Item:Diminutive cambrinth reaver]]. These are items from the [[Choryu cake]] random prizes. Do you want me to do an "sloot" list on the cake page so that the diminutive's source populates from that, or just manually enter in the cake information on the form SOURCE section as I've done with the reaver? Thanks! --[[Kythryn]] 14:06, 28 November 2014 (CST)
: Yeah, do the sloot list off the cake. Understand that due to broken systems, the sourcing won't show up properly any time soon, so don't worry if it doesn't look like it's working. If you also want to manually add the source, that's up to you.
: Another thing to look at is if all the figures are the same except for the creature. For example, if the LOOK and TAP are identical except for creature, make a single article for all of them under [[Item:Diminutive cambrinth creature]] and redirect any specific ones to that. An example of how we've done that in the past would be the [[Item:Gnomic bolt]] page.-[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 18:03, 28 November 2014 (CST)
::Thanks Caraamon, I'll do the re-direct thing when I do another day of cambrinth additions. Also, I noticed that when a moderator checks the addition pages, some moderators leave (or add) cambrinth as a MTag, and some remove it. Should cambrinth be considered a material or should I stop adding it to the MTag? --[[Kythryn]] 20:13, 4 January 2015 (CST)
::: The system automatically tags any cambrinth item as having cambrinth material, but I personally prefer to be overly cautious and add it. Either is fine, just be consistent. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 21:39, 4 January 2015 (CST)

== Stand-alone food & drink ==

heya! I put this question on a [[Item_talk:Seasoned_lamb_stew|TALK]] page but I realized it might have gotten lost in the shuffle. There are a fair number of food & drink items in the game that aren't found in notable places. For instance, the stew in the link above is found in a building near Corik's Wall that doesn't do anything else (no shop, no housing, etc.). Since red-links are the enemy, it sucks to see it on the SOURCE for that item, but it also seems weird to make a page for just that room when it doesn't have anything else going on.
:That being said, I can totally do that for the SOURCE rooms. If I do that, do you want me to put a quick "note" about where the location is relevant to something notable, since it doesn't have any indicator on the corresponding Ranik map that it is there? For instance, on this particular place I might put something like:
::note: this building is found W, SW from the [[Corik's Wall]] gate.
Anyhow, let me know how you'd like these handled. --[[Kythryn]] 20:09, 4 January 2015 (CST)
::: If it's a source for something, I'd rather have a page made for it. If it needs directions from a major landmark on the page, go for it. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 21:44, 4 January 2015 (CST)
::::Ok, thanks for the feedback Caraamon. I made up a SOURCE page for this example: [[Corik's Wall, Refectory]]. Could you take a look over it and make any changes you want to see on formatting, etc. when you get a chance please.
::::Also, do you feel this is the way to proceed with the picked flora/fauna stuff too? I've held off adding any flowers, fruits, etc. that you can pick since most are like this; not found where they can be tied into a housing area, shop, whatever. Thanks!--[[Kythryn]] 22:37, 4 January 2015 (CST)
::::: I would consider merging that particular one with [[Corik's Wall]]. But aside from that, yeah, if you need to make random and otherwise unlinked pages for sources, go for it.
::::: And yeah, I would also do that for flowers and fruit, unless you can think of a better way to do it. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 01:52, 5 January 2015 (CST)
:::::: I've got a page started for the [[House of the Gilded Longleaf]], there is a ton of refreshments and picked flowers there. I've done a couple rooms. Could you take a look over it, esp. the [[Item:Bright red geranium]] page, and let me know if you have any more feedback on things to add, improve, etc. Sorry to be so "needy" on this, but as I'm sure you can imagine, there are a kazillion flowers out there, and it would suck for someone to have to go back through and edit half of them before a mistake was caught. The one thing I wasn't 100% comfortable with on the flower was the IType; I put it as JEWELRY since it is worn, but I'm not sure that's the best one for it. Thanks! --[[Kythryn]] 03:18, 5 January 2015 (CST)
::::::: My only major edit I would do is to separate the organization from the location in two separate pages, even though they share the same name. I've also changed the fruit/flower listing to something I think looks better, though it's up to you if you want to use it. Lastly, if it's purely fluff and wearable, it's marked as jewelry, so no worries there. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 17:20, 5 January 2015 (CST)
:::::::: Ok, I'll break those into 2 pages when I re-visit the grounds. Any particular way you want the new page named? I guess leave [[House of the Gilded Longleaf]] as the org. page and maybe [[House of the Gilded Longleaf (location)]] for the new page? --[[Kythryn]] 03:40, 6 January 2015 (CST)
::::::::: Nope. The standard we have is that the original page would be a disambiguous page, and then you'd set up two daughter pages such as [[House of the Gilded Longleaf (location)]] and [[House of the Gilded Longleaf (group)]]. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 15:43, 6 January 2015 (CST)
:::::::::: Ok, great, thanks! Split those up as recommended. On the "location" page, right now I am just adding in rooms that have items to find (food or flowers). I remember Linett had documented all the rooms of the GM houses for the recent Christmas showings. Do you want all the rooms documented here too? It might not be so bad for some of the other Houses, but the Longleaf grounds have almost 30 public and member-only rooms. It'll make for a pretty long page, but if that's ok, I'm happy to go back and put in those other rooms too. --[[Kythryn]] 12:39, 10 January 2015 (CST)
::::::::::: With that many rooms, just put the rooms that produce stuff. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 17:11, 10 January 2015 (CST)

== Fang Cove "sand" ==

So, I first found this sand you could search for shells and stuff in the housing area [[The Enclave at Fang Cove]], made sense to put it on that page (even though there are multiple rooms, looks like the same loot pool from each). However, it appears there is also (at least) one more room outside the housing area that has this going on too. It kind of reminds me of the [[Sandbox]] game from HE festivals, so I was thinking maybe make up a game page instead of having it on the housing page? If that sounds right, then I'm kind of stumped on what to name it. Fang Cove beach combing? Fang Cove shells? Any thoughts you have would be appreciated! --[[Kythryn]] 03:38, 6 January 2015 (CST)
: Fang Cove beach combing sounds fine to me. Here's an example of how I did it with another game-ish thing: [[Excavation sites]] -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 17:10, 10 January 2015 (CST)

== Crossing Temple Festival ==

So, when I was working on the [[choryu cake]] page, I found an archived folder on my backup drive that had a bunch of documents I'd made from various festivals over years before sweet, sweet epedia came along (heh). I'll work my way through updating things over the next week from them, but I found one that epedia doesn't have (I don't think anyhow, I couldn't find anything with searches) a category and/or festival page set up for yet. In 2001, the "new" Crossing temple was opened and there were about 15 merchants that set up on the grounds. Did you want to set that category & festival page up? Or create the red-links here and I'll populate them next time I sit down to document? Thanks! --[[Kythryn]] 10:52, 13 January 2015 (CST)
: Yeah, I think it was too early for Epedia and too late for DFP, or something around there. Just keep 'em redlinked until you put something in there. -[[User:CARAAMON|CARAAMON]] ([[User talk:CARAAMON|talk]]) 16:11, 13 January 2015 (CST)

Contraire family

2015-01-25T14:25:37Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our glorious rise to power */

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== Our glorious rise to power the forming of the CONTRAIRE EMPIRE==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners at the local balls.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and sealed their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The glam fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, snake charmer, part-time dancer, dessert chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, Winner of the Miss Gwethdesuan pageant and inducted into the Miss Gweth hall of fame on the 55th day of the 2nd month of Ka'len the Sea Drake in the year of the Golden Panther.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, wielder of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge fishing charter and party planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom door expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat. meeeeooooowwwww. Check meowt.

Aayveia Contraire - The daughter mother, cupcaked crusader, Lalouisa's competition for best Elanthian milkshake.

Zalan Contraire - He can dance, and if you don't dance, you're no friend of his bow and arrow. His groove is in the heart.

Evro Contraire - Hammerer of Divine Creme Puffs, this pastry chef will leave you on your knees craving more.

Nurvembarr Contraire - He who keeps the rhythm. Burning star in the night. Wears two shoes. Triangles are his favorite shape.

== Notable peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation. Better call Klausette.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable. Full Conty imminent.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with a jar of peanut butter next to a shot glass full of vodka suspended over a coiled whip.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

{{Cat|Player families,Player organizations}}

Contraire family

2015-01-24T05:07:52Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our Glorious Rise to Power */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners at the local balls.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and sealed their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, snake charmer, part-time dancer, dessert chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, Winner of the Miss Gwethdesuan pageant and inducted into the Miss Gweth hall of fame on the 55th day of the 2nd month of Ka'len the Sea Drake in the year of the Golden Panther.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, wielder of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge fishing charter and party planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom door expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat. meeeeooooowwwww. Check meowt.

Aayveia Contraire - The daughter mother, cupcaked crusader, Lalouisa's competition for best Elanthian milkshake.

Zalan Contraire - He can dance, and if you don't dance, you're no friend of his bow and arrow. His groove is in the heart.

Evro Contraire - Hammerer of Divine Creme Puffs, this pastry chef will leave you on your knees craving more.

Nurvembarr Contraire - He who keeps the rhythm. Burning star in the night. Wears two shoes.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation. Better call Klausette.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable. Full Conty imminent.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with a jar of peanut butter next to a shot glass full of vodka suspended over a coiled whip.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Talk:Contraire family

2015-01-23T16:11:03Z

DISCOTEQ21:

This whole page needs to be un-innuendo-ed.
[[User:SIMU-SOLOMON|SIMU-SOLOMON]] ([[User talk:SIMU-SOLOMON|talk]]) 11:20, 22 January 2015 (CST)

I went through and made the necessary changes should be OK now

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2015-01-23T16:10:18Z

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I went through it and made the necessary changes should be OK now.

Contraire family

2015-01-23T16:08:51Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, Winner of the Miss Gwethdesuan pageant and inducted into the Miss Gweth hall of fame on the 55th day of the 2nd month of Ka'len the Sea Drake in the year of the Golden Panther.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, wielder of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat. meeeeooooowwwww. Check meowt.

Aayveia Contraire - The daughter mother, cupcaked crusader, Lalouisa's competition for best Elanthian milkshake.

Zalan Contraire - He can dance, and if you don't dance, you're no friend of his bow and arrow. His groove is in the heart.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation. Better call Klausette.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable. Full Conty imminent.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with a jar of peanut butter next to a shot glass full of vodka suspended over a coiled whip.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-23T16:07:36Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our Glorious Rise to Power */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod. Winner of the Miss Gwethdesuan pageant and inducted into the Miss Gweth hall of fame on the 55th day of the 2nd month of Ka'len the Sea Drake in the year of the Golden Panther.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat. meeeeooooowwwww. Check meowt.

Aayveia Contraire - The daughter mother, cupcaked crusader, Lalouisa's competition for best Elanthian milkshake.

Zalan Contraire - He can dance, and if you don't dance, you're no friend of his bow and arrow. His groove is in the heart.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation. Better call Klausette.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable. Full Conty imminent.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with a jar of peanut butter next to a shot glass full of vodka suspended over a coiled whip.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-23T16:06:29Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Crest */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod. Winner of the Miss Gwethdesuan pageant and inducted into the Miss Gweth hall of fame on the 55th day of the 2nd month of Ka'len the Sea Drake in the year of the Golden Panther.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat. meeeeooooowwwww. Check meowt.

Aayveia Contraire - The daughter mother, cupcaked crusader, Lalouisa's competition for best Elanthian milkshake.

Zalan Contraire - He can dance, and if you don't dance, you're no friend of his bow and arrow. His groove is in the heart.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation. Better call Klausette.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable. Full Conty imminent.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with a jar of peanut butter next to a shot glass full of vodka suspended over a coiled whip.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-20T19:15:57Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat. meeeeooooowwwww.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-19T22:41:41Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger. Gnomish snowball fighter.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn Razi - Super notable.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-19T21:31:11Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Notable Peeps */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

Long story short, peeps be jelly of our donuts.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

Zehira Contraire - Our honeypot, might get stung if you get too close, don't say we didn't warn you.

Helikaon Contraire - The first Prydaen. That's right dawg, we let in a cat.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires......well most.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

Riverlynn - Super notable. Full Conty imminent.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-18T05:56:39Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric. Siegery set avenger.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-18T05:53:45Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a barge ride and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, the supreme fashion adviser to the empire, and inventor slash door to door saleswoman of the vibrating self mixing stirring rod. Siegery set avenger.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-16T16:23:14Z

DISCOTEQ21:

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, and the supreme fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Keep Calm and Contraire On.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-16T04:55:26Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Motto */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear. The memory of that night is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Later one night Contrejour and Lalousia were shoping for vibrating stirring rods. They ran into an super cute young elf named Lolianna. They immediately new she was their sister from another mister and totes had to adopt her into their glam fam. It all worked out and Lolianna was soon to be their next BFF/Cuz.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, and the supreme fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS, look sometimes stuff happens and you aren't supesmhappy bout it, but you can just contraire on. Don't get all worked up in the dregs brah. It ain't worth it. There are totes more chicks in the sea man, just keep on keepin on, and I'll be there 4 u.

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-15T22:36:00Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Notable Peeps */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, and the supreme fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife, head of logic

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-15T19:05:43Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Notable Peeps */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, and the supreme fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin rider, orphan, blowhole maker, head horse skinner, Qompanion of the Contraires.

Nebby - Family trader, future family member once we abduct his wife.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-15T19:03:13Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Notable Peeps */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count.'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of tea, merry story telling, a few games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and this is where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs. They soon decided to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef, peanut butter thief, and candlelight mood setter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, master confectioner, stylish statistician, and alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right, Toggish princess and Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister from another mister, the best friend extraordinaire, and the supreme fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him.

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, and she has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee addict, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter and event planner.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor, and mushroom expert.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Forever exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires.

Qij - Head dolphin hunter, orphan, qompanion of the Contraires.

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

a crisp linen tea towel elaborately embroidered in gold thread and lashed to a chestnut flag pole

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-15T16:02:45Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Family Portraits */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of Tea, many games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and merry story telling where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs by deciding to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief. Inn candle lighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, confectioneer and stylish statistician. Alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right. Toggish princess. Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee mug label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter operator.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Battle Standard ==

A lovely decadent tea towel fashioned to a gnobby chestnut staff.

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-15T15:59:20Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our Glorious Rise to Power */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The House of Contraire started with a spark and a dream. They are the family formerly known as Gazen'Molujan, and all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri who doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl growing up on her father's rooster farm, she discovered she had a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land and opening a shop to serve her famous milkshakes and turkey legs. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

In the midst of the great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino, Contrejour married Slarc after a wild night of Tea, many games of spin the grave robbed hunting spear, and merry story telling where they may have picked up Lolianna. The memory is hazy and they are still not sure what was in that tea. Through this union, Lalouisa and Contrejour became in-laws and consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs by deciding to share the same last name.

Thusly the Gazen'Molujan reformed under the Contraire name and the Dirais'Sanbino house crumbled and scattered never to be seen or heard from again except Shaunacy and Avichai who both don't count. To honor the lineage of the past and their unbreakable bond Contrejour, Slarq and Lalouisa struck out to forge an Empire that would become the greatest Elanthia has ever known.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief. Inn candle lighter.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, confectioneer and stylish statistician. Alleged Horse Slayer.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right. Toggish princess. Pretend Cleric.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, coffee mug label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one. Owner and caretaker of Flufferkins the bunny rabbit. Head sand barge clothing optional fishing charter operator.

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome.

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one.

Brewski Contraire - Exiled.

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head.

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-15T15:22:50Z

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Contraire family

2015-01-15T15:21:15Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

Contraire family

2015-01-15T15:18:31Z

DISCOTEQ21:

Contraire family

2015-01-14T23:52:38Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* The Glam Fam */

Contraire family

2015-01-14T22:45:10Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Crest */

[[File:Beautiful-landscape-nature-desktop-walpapers-best-background-nature-new-images-for-mobile.jpg|500px|center]]

== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family, all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri but he doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen'Molujan and the Dirais'Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire Elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc "Sugar Fingers" Contraire - The Mister, confectioneer and stylish statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire - Smuggler of tasty treats, label maker, always innocent.

Lithrell Contraire - Just because he's a healer doesn't mean he has to heal you.

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex suspended over a giant gash.

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-14T22:17:09Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our Glorious Rise to Power */

[[File:Beautiful-landscape-nature-desktop-walpapers-best-background-nature-new-images-for-mobile.jpg|500px|center]]

== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family, all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri but he doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen'Molujan and the house Dirais'Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen'Molujan and the Dirais'Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire Elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-14T21:52:24Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Motto */

[[File:Beautiful-landscape-nature-desktop-walpapers-best-background-nature-new-images-for-mobile.jpg|500px|center]]

== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family, all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri but he doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen and the house Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen and the Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire Elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Wood ==

Chestnut

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-14T21:24:05Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Motto */

[[File:Beautiful-landscape-nature-desktop-walpapers-best-background-nature-new-images-for-mobile.jpg|500px|center]]

== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family, all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, except for Zithri but he doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen and the house Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen and the Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire Elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard, Sparkling buns of steel and the owner of the infamous "Lucy".

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

== Family Portraits ==

PAINTING #1

a pair of carefree girls sitting on a picnic blanket eating turkey legs and lollipops. They are cute as buttons but appear to be talking loudly with their mouths full of food. A calligraphy chat bubble above their heads reads "Hot To Death!".

Contraire family

2015-01-14T20:35:01Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our Glorious Rise to Power */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family, all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire, excpet for Zithri but he doesn't count'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing with a dream of becoming the strongest barbarian in the land. There she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lollipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen and the house Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen and the Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

Contraire family

2015-01-14T20:32:08Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Our Glorious Rise to Power */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing and she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lolipops and occasionally dance partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen and the house Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen and the Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

Contraire family

2015-01-14T20:29:19Z

DISCOTEQ21: /* Notable Peeps */

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
'''
The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing and she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lolipops and occasionally partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen and the house Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen and the Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

Qij - He thinks he's too good for us, but he isn't

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

Contraire family

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== Our Glorious Rise to Power ==
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The Contraire empire started with a spark and a dream. Formerly the Gazen'Molujan family all members have been adopted under the Contraire Empire'''

When Lalouisa was a little girl she found a penchant for mischief and romps in the hay with ALL the local boys. One day she ventured to the big city called the Crossing and she met a charming young lass named Contrejour. They immediately became besties sharing lolipops and occasionally partners in the inn.

The great war between the house Gazen and the house Sanbino consummated their bond as family members for evs and evs.

After the great house war the Gazen and the Sanbino houses crumbled and scattered. Holding on to the lineage of the past and their family bonds Contrejour and Lalouisa struck out to forge a family that would later become the greatest empire elanthia has ever seen.

== The Glam Fam ==
Contrejour Contraire - Head of Household, part-time dancer, half baked chef and peanut butter thief.

Slarc Contraire - The Mister, master dandy and statistician.

Lalouisa Contraire - The family right hand woman and favorite cousin, she ain't a beauty but hey she's all right.

Lolianna Contraire - The Gossip, the sister and best friend extraordinaire, fashion adviser to the empire.

Vladmirr Contraire - A cleric with bad ankles but a lot of fight in him

Meiline Contraire - Fearless Battle Empath who bravely fought off voidspawn in the bath house, has the hook up.

Buuwl Contraire - House Guard

Charlize Contraire -

Lithrell Contraire -

Giavanna Contraire - The loud one

Lycium Contraire - Wanna be cleric, Inn supervisor.

Qoda Contraire - Head travel agent, stalker, Garden Gnome

Khiersty Contraire - The quiet one

Brewski Contraire - Exiled

Elkira Contraire - The rogue family member with a bounty on her head

== Notable Peeps ==

Klausette - The family lawyer and legal representation.

Caidie - Bonded to house guard Buuwl, friend to all Contraires

== Crest ==

A lime green shield emblazoned with jar of peanut butter encircled by barbed coiled whip at the apex

== Motto ==

Sassy and classy and into sticky muffINNS

Contraire family

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Contraire family

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Contraire family

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Contraire family

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